Post B5UbqajrBPQvS6coDY by meltedcheese@c.im
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 (DIR) Post #B3aGMMCzcGGe0iiva4 by jwcph@helvede.net
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       RE: https://mstdn.ca/@drikanis/116107120926277506I'd like to comment on the common "AI is just a tool" thing: I'm a woodworker by training & that means a lot of machines - but almost every craftsperson knows how to do their job with hand tools, or "lesser" machines. Similarly, a writer can write without a text editor - just as well, only slower.If loss of a tool = loss of your skill & knowledge, then that tool isn't an asset, it's a liability. You're signing over your ability to do business to whoever sells & maintains that tool. #AIRT: https://mstdn.ca/users/drikanis/statuses/116107120926277506
       
 (DIR) Post #B5UbOShPTpDoPU4EHA by Ponygirl@mastodon.social
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       @jwcph Nothing good will come from AI.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5UbSnuUYmWNLxFyVs by jwcph@helvede.net
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       @Ponygirl You know, there's a lot of people who would respond to that with a bunch of hemming & hawing about how useful it can/will be for the right applications - but right now I'd say they have the burden of proof & to my knowledge, they're not lifting it. I'm with you.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5UbSoCDUshQEvY88m by ninafelwitch@tech.lgbt
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       @jwcph @Ponygirl "AI" is not "AI". I hate that "AI" has become the term people use to refer to ChatGPT or Gemini.You have to distinguish LLMs and other genAI that are being hyped by big tech from the kind of AI that's being used in science and has been used in science for decades.For example, I use a neural network model to denoise my astrophotography."AI" should never have been made available to the general public. This is a thing for science and science alone.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5UbSoNunO3apD1TNI by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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       @ninafelwitch @jwcph @Ponygirl yes, but these are suspended by the current hype, so it’s ok to be consequently against "AI" and understand what you’re against.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Ubj5d2S0gUwIrIX2 by art_codesmith@toot.cafe
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       @jwcph Funnily enough I wanted to kind of challenge you with saying that it's unlikely a programmer would be able to write a complex program "by hand" (using assembly) but... a sufficiently motivated programmer probably could. It would be an absolutely miserable experience, you'd have to invent a lot from the first principles, but in the end it's all system calls and the documentation is out there.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Ubj5qrcbk9dBKL56 by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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       @art_codesmith @jwcph it’d just be a busywork exercise, but a good refresher in overall planning and commenting. Given sufficient payment, I’d be in.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5UbqaMSaOiaHXg7kW by fedithom@social.saarland
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       @art_codesmithThe point was, that vibe coders can't "code" at all without AI. And pre-AI, people already wrote software. So ... What was your point again? @jwcph
       
 (DIR) Post #B5UbqaXnuDnAqizBQm by art_codesmith@toot.cafe
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       @fedithom @jwcph My point is that you can apply similar logic to compilers and programming languages. If you’re proficient at making web apps in Python, you maybe *could* make one in assembly, but it would take a lot of time and effort and, as I said, would probably not be a good experience.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5UbqajrBPQvS6coDY by meltedcheese@c.im
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       @art_codesmith @jwcph @fedithom 1. I think it is safe to say that competent #software engineers know their tools and an early step in any non-trivial project is to gather tools or write new ones if needed. But we don’t (and cannot) write all of them from scratch because it is too much to keep in our heads AND there are smarter people out there who’ve already done the work. We can do what we do only by leveraging the work of others. 2. A tool created by automatic programming is just as useful as one created by a human. If you trust it to work in your use case then an AI-created tool is no different. 3. The question to be answered is the same for any software tool: Why do I trust it? If you are super-rigorous then you will want to use a formal logic-checking tool to prove the software is correct. That’s really hard and computationally intractable for non-trivial software. 4. ALL software contains residual errors, but our ways of justifying trust in software are incomplete and involve some kind of inductive leap that in the best case leaves you with a quantifiable idea of the risk of failure. #AI is just software. Do with it what you do with any other software.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Ubqb2e3YSiONPoVE by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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       @fedithom @art_codesmith @meltedcheese @jwcph it’s "just" software but also stolen, with the fashtech operators exploiting humans left and right.Do with it what you do with any other nazi product/bar.