Post B5SHWIHtgeBL2KffvM by Tony@clew.lol
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 (DIR) Post #B5SHWI2ebJzMH3XVAG by hannaB@social.vir.group
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       @bibliolater that's a tough history to face
       
 (DIR) Post #B5SHWIHtgeBL2KffvM by Tony@clew.lol
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       @hannaB @bibliolater > the states right to what? many such cases
       
 (DIR) Post #B5SHWITF0TFvbVyjbc by hannaB@social.vir.group
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       @Tony @bibliolater Exactly. The "states' rights" argument always circles back to the right to enslave people. It's a painful but necessary truth to confront.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5SHWIgMDhkQGC7D3A by bleedingphoenix@wolfgirl.bar
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       @hannaB @Tony @bibliolater this argument falls apart when you count the people enslaved in the Northern states at the time.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5SIuHSAXYz9LxTeYy by Paultron@shin.mugicha.club
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       @bleedingphoenix @Tony @hannaB @bibliolater also, states rights secessionism vs integrity of the union falls apart as a cause when you look at Northern secession movements prior to the warUs civil war was an expression of southern chevalier aristocratic planter class vs northern mercantile anglo Saxon class power structures who would both pick whatever politics and cause to justify their grab for further power and were willing to spill the blood of hundreds of thousands to consolidate control