Post B5QWitqMzSipzBLQMS by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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 (DIR) Post #B5QWitWACaYiyVtHrk by nycki@critters.gay
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       okay I wrote a long-form reply to this here, titled "the future of chat" https://nycki.net/blog/29/sub-headings include- chatboards are stroads- chats should be ephemeral- boards should be persistent- my wishlist#chat #indiewebRE: https://merping.synth.download/ap/users/115852742833721935/statuses/116426230396333218
       
 (DIR) Post #B5QWithrV5utYnMd6G by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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       @nycki yeah honestly i mostly agree with itand yea rss needs some love
       
 (DIR) Post #B5QWitqMzSipzBLQMS by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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       @SRAZKVT @nycki the only thing i disagree is the no-history whatsoeverimo history should be limited (a month, maybe a week) -- anything more, locali say this as someone that does troubleshooting a lot on #openrc, not having a bouncer would make that almost impossible because well, i go to sleep, i travel, etc -- if someone asks something or pings me while i'm out, i should get that when i come back inchats should be ephemeral yes, but in a buffered manner-- and a board doesn't help for this much, a friend pinging me on something they made shouldn't really be kept forever, and the more async nature of boards make actively debugging hell (chats are async too, but less so)for the rest, yeah, agree with it, forums and chatting being separate makes total sense
       
 (DIR) Post #B5QWiu6K29TymeoAE4 by nycki@critters.gay
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       @navi@social.vlhl.dev @SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt yeah this is a good point! I personally use ZNC as my IRC bouncer because I like being able to switch from one device to another without losing my place in the conversation. I think "the future of chat" should assume that everyone is doing that, and plan around it -- that's why I proposed the 14 day autokick, because I'm assuming that everyone is going to use a bouncer to stay logged in and I want to allow that for a reasonable amount of time.edit: to clarify, I want the "bouncer" functionality to be provided by default, users shouldn't be expected to set one up themselves. I want to distinguish between "client connects to server" and "user joins a room." logging starts when user joins a room, even if the user switches from one client to another.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5QWiuKVBQpDUdRUKO by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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       @nycki @SRAZKVT bounces are a hack in my opinion, hosting them is difficult for people that either can't afford a server or don't have the knowhowit's a barrier to entry, and for a new-to-irc user, nothing is more demotivating than trying it out only to join into an empty roomwith luck they'll see people chatting, but have no context at all, without luck it'll seem dead because yesterday's night conversation isn't visible and everyone's out right nowfor irc to be usable by most people, it needs built-in chathistory, a 14 day buffer is plenty for that -- or for really big rooms, you could make it go by message count too, last 10k or 5k messages or smth
       
 (DIR) Post #B5QWiuYKM1ssBVuWsS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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       @navi @nycki @SRAZKVT In fact it's kind of fun as the forum shoutboxes I remember would have the last few messages showing up, and I don't think it needs to be very long but of course that depends on each chatroom. And thankfully it's typically possible to use channel modes to set the length both in terms of time and number of messages.