Post B5Pcn70KPGfSWnQzU8 by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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 (DIR) Post #B5P2myCdX8oYsfpBPE by zzt@mas.to
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       consider: linux
       
 (DIR) Post #B5P2myPOlh1TWFnNIW by astraleureka@social.treehouse.systems
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       @zzt you knew full well what you were doing with this post
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzMKBAkUfYzzmca by rootwyrm@weird.autos
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       @zzt IBM, Canonical, Torvalds, and Systemd Dipfuck are falling all over themselves to implement total surveillance at the kernel level. I expect by next week, grub will refuse to boot past an 'Enter your birthdate' prompt.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzMbC9U6YPlxN8y by zzt@mas.to
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       @rootwyrm fucklike you’re completely right but of all the posts to get a real answer to
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzMmBUctYxr69Gy by zzt@mas.to
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       @rootwyrm the year is 2026 and linux on the desktop is finally an actual thing my actual dad asked for by name instead of a tired memethe linux ecosystem is of course using this moment to comply in advance with fascism and embrace slop, ensuring it’ll become the exact operating system that was so terrible not even my dad could stand it
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzN2qUgDrnWtSF6 by kyle_pegasus@scalie.club
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       @zzt @rootwyrm I've been saying it for a couple years. entire linux ecosystem is dominated by a couple big corpo gorillas and their projects exist to supplant pre-existing ones they do not control
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzNGffHHWUPMUnA by soc@chaos.social
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       @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Gnome.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzNTQtpUR7zKggS by kyle_pegasus@scalie.club
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       @soc @zzt @rootwyrm Wayland and GTK, Gnome and systemd. Wayland kills all small desktop environments and independent window managers, funneling everyone towards Gnome, GTK forces environment-agnostic applications to become gnome specific applications via libadwaita, systemd absorbs every key service running off screen.the end goal is basically that linux becomes an IBM controlled monolith that you're allowed to look at source code to, if you really really want
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzNemDeZ1hAdkMi by soc@chaos.social
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       @kyle_pegasus @zzt @rootwyrm Talking to "fans" of these technologies is so fucking infuriating.Nobody denies that the previous tech stack had problems ... but Wayland, Systemd, Flatpak and so on are not the solutions!
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzNrBTWUMJeRehk by kyle_pegasus@scalie.club
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       @soc @zzt @rootwyrm Wayland pisses me off especially because it's "policy, not mechanism", and the policy is "no you can't"
       
 (DIR) Post #B5PbzNyz0Wj8hq5srQ by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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       me  when i  parrot catchphrases ive  seen on  twitter and  hackernewsRE: https://scalie.club/@kyle_pegasus/116420978761921287
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Pc0pTCIOmIFJuloO by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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       @kyle_pegasus @soc @zzt @rootwyrm > Wayland kills all small desktop environments and independent window managersthat's just not truethere is wlroots, smithey, and now there is river too which is even simpler than those libraries
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Pc0pfFZaQ2qhYObA by kyle_pegasus@scalie.club
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       @navi @soc @zzt @rootwyrm It's absolutely true, and "just rewrite your entire window manager, which was feature complete and has as such not had a major code commit in 25 years" is not a rebuttal. You're a dumbass if you think it is. Nobody has time for that, and the wayland spec emperors (they aren't developers, they expect everyone else to implement their deliberately featureless design for them) know that. They know the manpower isn't there and they see it as a feature.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Pc0pqatPUdPsrSHQ by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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       @kyle_pegasus @soc @zzt @rootwyrm you are conflating "the Wayland design makes it impossible for small and independent compositors to exist" with "Wayland is not backwards compatible with the X11/xcb API for window managers", and that is the deeply disingenuousby what you want we wouldn't ever ever be able to improve underlying protocols for anything ever because... it requires new software?as for the second part, what do you even mean?sorry but if you're gonna keep arguing in bad faith, you're the dumbass
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Pcn6eLiz5RQd9RE8 by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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       @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm @soc @zzt if you want to critique Wayland there's plenty of good arguments, a lot of to be worked onthere's no need to invent reasons and conflate different things
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Pcn70KPGfSWnQzU8 by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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       @slowfallinward @soc @zzt @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm csd is also a pain on X11 (gtk having double bars if you forced it on), and to that we blame gtk and gnomewayland has a protocol for communicating SSD vs CSD, but gtk completely ignores itas for screenshots, anything based on wlr-screencopy, or the newer ext-image-copy would work (e.g. grim), though more full featured "all in one" screenshot tools are lacking yes
       
 (DIR) Post #B5Pm7bZXMfmUiBkXoW by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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       @slowfallinward @soc @zzt @kyle_pegasus @rootwyrm > grim doesn't let you select by windowyou can pass a foreigner top-level (window) handle to the -T argument (ext-image-copy is great and does have per-window capture in the api) -- but i don't know of any tool to allow listing and selecting foreign toplevels (i should make one, tbh)compositors could force ssd, that's completely allowed by the spec (or rather, the spec says nothing about decorations outside xdg-decorations extension), i dunno if river let's you do that so maybe talk to isaac about it