Post B5MXMYGPrkkW0YayKu by mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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 (DIR) Post #B5MXMYGPrkkW0YayKu by mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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       RE: https://mastodon.social/@mcc/116415821939972420One thing about service disruptions on a decentralized network is that you get to find out how decentralized the network actually is, and how various claims of independence line up with reality.mcc @mcc, who really knows their stuff, and has taken this opportunity to take a hard look at what happens to 'independent' services, including #Blacksky, when #Bluesky has issues.It's a fascinating read...#Bluesky #Blacksky #decentralizationRT: https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116415821939972420
       
 (DIR) Post #B5MXMYu7U8VZzhAgDo by mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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       @mcc For some layperson context on why these decentralization issues are inherent with the ATProtocol architecture, you can check out this thread...https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/116122817979484928RT: https://mastodon.online/users/mastodonmigration/statuses/116122817979484928
       
 (DIR) Post #B5NWAF2lavl87ujlAW by gabboman@gabboman.xyz
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       @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @mcc@mastodon.socialWafrn has not been affected by this at any point
       
 (DIR) Post #B5NWAFI0gFx6tBrvvc by mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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       @gabboman @mcc Cool. So you can talk to the Fedi side, how much of the AT Proto network do you see?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5NWAFThylJHTTLHA8 by gabboman@gabboman.xyz
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       @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @mcc@mastodon.socialEverything but we only store what we need.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5NWAFbVVlY3rezVJo by mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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       @gabboman @mcc Have you able to interact with #Blacksky users throughout the incident?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5NWAFlmtXluNXniLI by gabboman@gabboman.xyz
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       @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @mcc@mastodon.socialI have seen posts from people I follow, ive seen a lot of “you but from bluesky instead of mastodon” talking about resilience of the protocol.Ive seen other people posting too about the problems.You can take a look at my profile on my instance.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5NWAG25uuodC7QjlA by mat@friendica.exon.name
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       @gabboman @mcc @mastodonmigration How is that possible? I thought that the standard Bluesky PDS does not implement any peer-to-peer data exchange with other PDS's. I can imagine that wafrn's who normally talk over AT might still see messages over AP. I also believe that PDS's could implement peer-to-peer AT. But that's not how the Bluesky architecture was conceived and I didn't think anyone implemented AT that way.I would suggest that in fact PDS's should implement P2P data exchange as a fallback for just this kind of situation, and ideally over AP instead of AT. But I'm not volunteering to implement that.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5NWAGKsn3qQ8ODk2q by gabboman@gabboman.xyz
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       @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @mcc@mastodon.social @mat@friendica.exon.nameyou are looking at the problem the wrong way!Wafrn is its own thing and we have a pds as a sidecarWe use A jetstream (one of many. Mini version of the firehose. Very easy to self host too).  From that source of data we go and say “is this a post from anyone we follow, reply to anyone who we are following , or stuff we need to save” very quickly. If so, then we only care about the decentralised id of the post, and fetch it directly from the origin pds.As an extra and optionaly, we use constelations for “hey any reply for this post?” (Another thing, independent of bsky, very easy to self host)And as a final step, as another extra OPTIONAL step and just in case for now (THIS STEP WONT EXIST soon), we also TRY to fetch the user feed and notifications from the appview, but totally optional (old bugs that are almost solved but life and stuff)Wafrn is its own software, thats how #Some-day-i-will-make-a-video-because-I-think-it-would-be-cool