Post B5K18jEch3FH8ACYpU by randahl@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #B5K18jEch3FH8ACYpU by randahl@mastodon.social
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       This is the key difference:In 2024, only 63 percent of US voters voted, and Trump became president.Sunday, 80 percent of Hungarian voters turned out to vote, and Orbán was removed.Be like the Hungarians.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18jww2IgtLavwtk by GoSeiGer@mastodon.nl
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       @randahl Be like the Hungarians: point taken. But the percentage is not really the important drive here. It' s about why people vote how they vote...
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18k5RWfUplyuk9w by benroyce@mastodon.social
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       @GoSeiGer @randahl nah turn out is the most important thingi used to be against compulsory voting. i thought "you can't force people to care"but now i'm for itbecause just getting some of these lazy assholes in the voting booth should be enoughsure some will draw dicks on their ballots but the results are close enough that just a few percentage points of nonvoters begrudgingly finally making a choice is enough to make the difference
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18qNk7XhRITWRW4 by imanormalperson@kolektiva.social
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       @benroyce @GoSeiGer @randahl are you sure its laziness and not like gerrymandering and systemic injustice and an exhausted working class and stuff?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18qXfWddhnGAMzI by benroyce@mastodon.social
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       @imanormalperson @GoSeiGer @randahl if someone doesn't vote, you can talk about valid reasons for that, and i have no problem with their valid reasons for not votingbut you can also talk about people who don't vote for invalid reasonsboth camps existand i am continually needing to say that my words are scoped *only* to those people who can vote, but simply choose not to
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18qk4mVZ2PjyHKK by imanormalperson@kolektiva.social
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       @benroyce @GoSeiGer @randahl yeah but youd probably get a lot more votes for the left by fighting for the people that want to vote to be able to do so effectively and fairly.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18qtIEEw8sKHdh2 by benroyce@mastodon.social
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       @imanormalperson @GoSeiGer @randahl "fighting for the people that want to vote"yesthat's called votingso anyone who can vote, but doesn't, is betraying those who are disenfranchisedso join me in castigating such assholes
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18r3Zc19zOD5qiW by imanormalperson@kolektiva.social
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       @benroyce @GoSeiGer @randahl voting alone isnt going to fix gerrymandering and systemic oppression, other forms of political action are necessary. a MAJORITY of people are disenfranchised. the time and energy you spend on castigation would serve you better spent on liberation.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18rFyrt5K0gtl3Y by benroyce@mastodon.social
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       @imanormalperson @GoSeiGer @randahl "other forms of political action are necessary"oh yeah? like what?"voting alone isnt going to fix gerrymandering and systemic oppression"if people fucking showed up, it will fix that
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18rQyD1sKYm2XBY by imanormalperson@kolektiva.social
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       @benroyce @GoSeiGer @randahl protests and community organizing? efforts to educate people? the stuff youre doing to try and get people to vote right now? and holy shit no it fucking wont?????? do you think joe fucking biden is going to fix systemic oppression? have you completely lost your mind
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18rdjRa5FCM0j4q by imanormalperson@kolektiva.social
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       @benroyce @GoSeiGer @randahl politicians have power THROUGH systemic oppression. maybe they have different ideas about how those systems of oppression should work, but theyre never going to do away with them completely.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18rqUg8I9pvyuy8 by benroyce@mastodon.social
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       @imanormalperson @GoSeiGer @randahl and such politicians are aided by people who can vote, but just give up and accept their abuse
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18rz0AV66GJxiEK by imanormalperson@kolektiva.social
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       @benroyce @GoSeiGer @randahl i agree that voting is important! i agree with you about that part! i just think we need to be doing other things too!
       
 (DIR) Post #B5K18s8Zaukmk0RM9I by benroyce@mastodon.social
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       @imanormalperson @GoSeiGer @randahl right, and i continually encounter thisme: "everyone vote""some people can't vote"me: "yes, i know, i'm not talking about those who can't, i'm talking about those who won't""we should do other things"me: "yes i know, i never said we shouldn't. organize, educate, protest, boycott: do it, all of it. and vote"i've been in this conversation 1,000 times