Post B5HyEJMP7QI2RPtLVo by snacks@netzsphaere.xyz
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(DIR) Post #B5Hl9RFj37164C78K0 by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@benpate So what they are building is actually a way to later enforce censorship of a decentralized network by state actors.image.pngimage.pngRT: https://mastodon.social/users/benpate/statuses/116403046724832335
(DIR) Post #B5HmmusuuZMtDVplJo by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@benpate >Sovereign Tech Agency>GermansThis will never ever get used for censorship and control years down the line.image.png
(DIR) Post #B5Hn8wh6rdZpCSocYy by rick@a.n0id.space
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@phnt @benpate well the content scanning is at least opt in, but yeah
(DIR) Post #B5HozLsiZ0OmKTnXua by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@rick @benpate Nothing stops a government from mandating it. After it is implemented, a government at any time can decide to ban hosting/usage of fedi instances (social media in general) without some automated scanning. After there is one or more approved services supporting it, they can fully mandate it and point to the Mastodon implementation as a requirement and reference implementation.
(DIR) Post #B5HstzEpitNOTGq7NI by benpate@mastodon.social
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@rick @phnt@fluffytail.org Sorry, I can't see the intermediate message you're replying to (xenofem.me is returning errors) so here's just a generic take on content scanning.It's not possible to content scan MLS-encrypted messages, so that won't apply to this project. And yeah, people will use #E2EE to do bad things. It's the same calculus as with Matrix, Signal, Apple Messages, and others: the benefits to good people outweigh the negatives.
(DIR) Post #B5HstzRww7rt7wyaoq by rick@a.n0id.space
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@benpate i think there is a misunderstanding probably thanks to missing the missing message before.e2ee is very important! I think now one should be able to read private messages. But i think fedi is not private at all, more like public only. If ppl want to message securely they should switch to a chat tool which was designed for it. I think adding e2ee to fedi dm just makes the whole setup more error prone, well you see the problem already in matrix 'unable to decrypt message' memes here.I think the more worrying part is the 'feature' of automatic content scanning. This will be a more controversial topic.. I think many ppl don't like automatic scanning or blocking of thier posts.. Thats why many ppl fled from big tech platforms.. Such systems could be very easy misused by governments for content scanning of posts which they don't like..Well at least or luckily its only opt in for now.. But i'm very pessimistic about such approaches tbh.
(DIR) Post #B5Htaq4lfF4GVTZ64O by benpate@mastodon.social
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@rick Yeah, thanks. I knew I was missing some part of the conversation.In the Emissary implementation, the plan is for BOTH server admins AND users to opt-in to using encrypted messages. So, if someone doesn't want to participate, they certainly won't have to.Right now, I don't think anyone knows how Mastodon will design this feature (even Mastodon). But given the technical requirements for generating private keys, it's not unreasonable to guess they might do something similar.
(DIR) Post #B5HusCU3hmfysfElYe by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@tk @benpate Until that is turned into something illegal.
(DIR) Post #B5HvYQJcfZtjwQUOlE by AxT9lBKpKuSEXNXtce.jeff@mk.magicka.org
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com @benpate@mastodon.social they can take that from my cold dead fingers
(DIR) Post #B5HvoU3mW124BijoLg by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
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They can, and I'm sure they want to and will try very hard. But there are a number of major problems which will emerge and will carry the whole project directly to hell.1. There's a lot of countries out there, anyone can join any instance that's based anywhere. Smart countries will not enforce rules because they'd prefer to collect sigint, dumb countries will push all of their instances away...2. Once you create a mechanism for censorship, everyone starts piling on to try to get Their Special Thing censored. If it's Germany, they're gonna have Israel breathing down their neck to add "Free Palestine" to the CSAM filter. This is going to create nuclear levels of butthurt in the canceldon/fediblock extreme left zone.tl;dr invest in popcorn
(DIR) Post #B5HvvZTUmXRn0b92sS by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@jeff @tk @benpatetor-logo-woozy-tilted.png
(DIR) Post #B5Hw5KGeB1eMjwmpLU by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@phnt @benpate People are forgetting the time of EUnomia.
(DIR) Post #B5HxYGKpyb0Etc6mcy by bell@social.xenofem.me
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@phnt @benpate >automatic content detections 'shared across servers'that is a phrase that scares me a bit too much
(DIR) Post #B5HxYGcYuhBHmaOwFs by AxT9lBKpKuSEXNXtce.jeff@mk.magicka.org
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@bell@social.xenofem.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @benpate@mastodon.social that's known as state mandated mass surveillance
(DIR) Post #B5HxhaBbXX3T4MEZU0 by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@cjd @rick @benpate It can easily be made into an EU-wide law. At that point usage of any fedi instance without a mandated automod can be made illegal and member states have no control over it after it inevitably passes, because Germany and France will love that.
(DIR) Post #B5HxhaMEtzYtbLD43k by r000t@ligma.pro
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@phntIt's my experience that canceldon people are the type to cite the law chapter and verse to anybody they don't like, but say ACAB the moment there's a law they don't want to be compliant with. Ultimately they'll skate because they're all relatively small sites. Maybe a dozen hueg instances will get enforcement action but they aren't gonna chase down every 10 user "uwu tee hee kill people I disagree with" glitchsoc server@rick @benpate @cjd
(DIR) Post #B5HxnXInAx3drVR1Ps by r000t@ligma.pro
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@phntFor example, they love citing GDPR to American instances that have a copy of their public statuses that they posted publicly to public timelines, but I'll bet money that those same people will refuse to implement any sort of age verification mandated by the EU@rick @benpate @cjd
(DIR) Post #B5HyEJMP7QI2RPtLVo by snacks@netzsphaere.xyz
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@phnt @benpate i'm all for seperating bavaria. That would make the police state bs go down considerably too i think.
(DIR) Post #B5Hz0QrkW4oFcSV00u by AxT9lBKpKuSEXNXtce.jeff@mk.magicka.org
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com @benpate@mastodon.social fun fact: i made that image, ages ago.
(DIR) Post #B5Hz4ORLTfrFFo2O0m by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@jeff @tk @benpate I literally made that in gimp few minutes ago (and hated every second of it) :D
(DIR) Post #B5I12vDsow5sG1APFw by phnt@fluffytail.org
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@r000t @rick @benpate @cjd It does not matter that they won't go after everyone. Just the possibility of doing so is already a problem, it shouldn't be possible at all.
(DIR) Post #B5I46WwJLbFNxrMN0a by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
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Did they just make an update to import a spreadsheet? #fediblock
(DIR) Post #B5I46XEOGNi0rvooBk by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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It's just a csv of your account over and over. 😒
(DIR) Post #B5IVr9q9kG7QhDwHfk by sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party
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@r000t @phnt @rick @benpate @cjd "they aren't gonna chase down every 10 user "uwu tee hee kill people I disagree with" glitchsoc server"No they'll send the email to the wrong instance after your dumb post about Charlie Kirk or ICE agents federates to them. Bluesky users have recently been getting clapped or subponead after the extreme amount of fedposting that goes on there and that site is notoriously moderation lax.https://archive.fo/q5NWkhttps://www.reddit.com/r/BlueskySocial/comments/1s7qsr2/what_is_this_and_am_i_in_trouble_got_an_email/
(DIR) Post #B5IVrADCMaYBqgigaW by r000t@ligma.pro
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@sendpaws AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHA RIPBOZO #PACKWATCH@phnt @rick @benpate @cjd