Post B5FfnFPxTylUu4a0OG by Setok@attractive.space
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(DIR) Post #B57jOuBvaxSEfnzBU8 by jolla@techhub.social
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Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV. Today they published the full story! 🎉MTV wrote about digital sovereignty and whether a Finnish mobile operating system could be the European alternative (article in Finnish 🇫🇮). There are only four mobile operating systems in the world: two American, one Chinese — and Sailfish OS. The only truly European one.Read the full piece here:https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/suomalaiskannykasta-turvallinen-vaihtoehto-jattifirmoista-irti-haluaville-entisten-nokia-insinoorien-jolla-tekee-paluuta/9321652#Jolla #SailfishOS #DigitalSovereignty #PrivacyFirst #CommunityPowered #European
(DIR) Post #B57jOuSEcKUxUNcCu0 by khm@hj.9fs.net
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"four mobile operating systems in the world" not counting UBPorts, PostmarketOS, Mobian, Maemo Leste, and of course KaiOS, which has shipped more units than Sailfish despite the latter's five-year head start
(DIR) Post #B588pfSixmZpfGhTW4 by Hummel@stpauli.social
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@khm @jolla 1. KaiOS is made for Feature Phones. Jolla is focused in Smartphones.2. KaiOS is almost deadThe Linux alternatives you mentioned are nothing you could as daily driver.
(DIR) Post #B588pffUCKmkIqffPM by khm@hj.9fs.net
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1. KaiOS is not noticeably less 'smart' than Jolla. They've chosen to aim downmarket, but that is not a technical limitation.2. Sailfish is also 'almost dead.' Jolla isn't even a company any more, just a brand name rescued from the flames of Rostelecom investment. It's a series of Kickstarter projects with mixed results.Having used Sailfish and also literally all of the alternatives I mentioned, several of them (particularly UBPorts and PostmarketOS) are at least as good as Sailfish. An ancient Oneplus 6 running Phosh on PostmarketOS is a better successor to the Nokia N9 than anything Jollyboys has in the hopper.CC: @jolla@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B58Z0529LG8ag1tbUG by Hummel@stpauli.social
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@khm @jolla KaiOS runs on outdated software and almost every remaining useful app is a web app. There are barely any new phones. "Jolla is almost dead" 10k+ pre-orders for the most recent phone after the C2 . And if "Kickstarter with mixed results" kills Jolla's credibility, what does that say about PostmarketOS, which has no company, no employees, no hardware program and no revenue?
(DIR) Post #B58Z05HkPGc9SPC3nc by khm@hj.9fs.net
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Still not sure how "barely any new phones" differentiates Sailfish and KaiOS.10k pre-orders is meaningless noise in the mobile market. It's a rounding error.Having no company, no employees, no hardware program, and no revenue is a hell of a lot better than having a company, employees, hardware program, and revenue, and no resulting advantage, and a previous failed company.I would love to live in a world where Sailfish is a major player. They have demonstrated for over a decade that they cannot achieve that goal.CC: @jolla@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B59Tytv6s4GpJ4BIh6 by Antti98@mastodon.social
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@khm @jolla In the news it was put that "four COMMERCIAL mobile operating systems in the world". And to be fair I think that is true. OS needs to be commercial if it wants to become option for wide masses and not only for niche very tech oriented people, IMO.
(DIR) Post #B59Tyu5kEWmFq39nGq by khm@hj.9fs.net
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good catch! wonder why they left that out of their post. I agree that adjective is necessary for their claim to be accurateCC: @jolla@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B5EBDZt6hqISBNKT4a by Setok@attractive.space
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@khm @jolla what exactly do you mean by ‘not even a company’. Most of the people involved in Jolla today have been running it for years. They have the IPR, it is a company, it uses the brand. I’m not sure what more you would want?
(DIR) Post #B5EBDaOIprFZk7vNhI by khm@hj.9fs.net
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Jolla declared bankruptcy in 2025 and the IP was bought by a successor company (Jollyboys) run by the same people.CC: @jolla@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B5EPQpJ85OSf82iEeO by Setok@attractive.space
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@khm @jolla in other words … a new company. So probably not fair to say it is hardly a company?The move allowed them to rid themselves of Russian shareholders so while I’m sure it wasn’t ideal, it was probably necessary.
(DIR) Post #B5EPQpUTPDXFhE1IKe by khm@hj.9fs.net
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Yes. A new company. To hold the IP of Jolla, because Jolla was dissolved, making it not a company any more. Which is what I said. Glad we could get there in the end.CC: @jolla@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B5FfnFPxTylUu4a0OG by Setok@attractive.space
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@khm @jolla and the new company … is a company. So I’m not sure what your criticism is trying to say? What does it matter that it’s a new company? Isn’t that actually a good thing?
(DIR) Post #B5FfnFcMjqgpWYNujI by khm@hj.9fs.net
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The original response to my post was slagging KaiOS and implying that Jolla had some kind of advantage over it. I was pointing out that KaiOS Technologies, Limited still exists, whereas Jolla Oy does not.In fact, between Jolla Oy, Jolla Group Ltd, Seafarix, and Jollyboys, it's possible they've produced more companies than phones. I can tell you're emotionally invested in Sailfish, but I do not regard this as a promising sign of future success.CC: @jolla@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B5FqKeUcH2PzlpKFUG by Setok@attractive.space
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@khm @jolla I have no experience of KaiOS so will refrain from commenting on it. I just feel your framing of saying, literally, that ‘Jolla is not even a company’ is unfair?I mean even if you wanted to be super pedantic and say that, well, Jolly Boys does not include ‘Jolla’ in the name (having a company name separate from a brand is very common), they have the trademark and there actually is a registered Jolla Mobile company.
(DIR) Post #B5FqKf0WMPwHMmFjDU by khm@hj.9fs.net
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I stated a fact. I regret that you feel it was unfair of me, but I do not believe that alters the basic tenet of the fact qua fact. I am open to the idea that my interpretation of their corporate history may be unduly pessimistic, but there has been a lot of flailing without much to show for it, and the fact that there are even more companies now doesn't really fill me with hope.CC: @jolla@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B5GFv42RGsTuHGba52 by Setok@attractive.space
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@khm @jolla but how is ‘Jolla is not even a company’ in any way fact? It demonstrably is a company.
(DIR) Post #B5GFv4SfhLStacsWy8 by khm@hj.9fs.net
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I always wondered why money people played so many games with corporate naming and subsidiaries and so forth; who is credulous enough to take it at face value?Guess I have my answer.CC: @jolla@techhub.social