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(DIR) Post #B55hpILfoUbSts520W by vii@dsmc.space
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openclaw is so weird. like. you have to already be neck-deep in the silicon valley ecosystem and take a lot of things for granted for it to even be useful.don't have systemd? it's not prepared for that eventuality.want to use IRC as an interface? good fucking luck.want to use ollama as a backend? oh we're going to fail back to whatever API costs money for completely inexplicable reasonswhat do you mean you don't have gh, clawhub, weebo, porkle, flipflap, and zsh installed? Are you a fucking troglodyte?why isn't your e-mail server gmail? openclaw has panic attacks when it has to talk to something that isn't gmailask it for help with itself? I'm sorry dave I'm a dumbfuck.
(DIR) Post #B55hpIk8LYAY7jWZ8K by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@vii actually why do you not have ZSH installed?
(DIR) Post #B55iKslEU2SQo965gW by vii@dsmc.space
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@RustyCrab you can take my bash from my cold dead hands, or when I finally make the full jump to plan9 whichever comes first
(DIR) Post #B55iKt2xQ8dTh7OFJQ by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@vii :shristicuffs:
(DIR) Post #B55iMBov6eXID2RgB6 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@vii zshrimp
(DIR) Post #B55oa1Bi29Cl0q59Ga by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii :zerocool: Okay, robot, check my email.:hal9000: It's on Poob. Log into Poob right now. You can Poob it. Dive into Poob.:zerocool: ...
(DIR) Post #B55ochxzxCSwGfx3a4 by mr64bit@p.mr64.net
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@vii I run it in a container, I don't trust that shit on my system no matter how many layers of approval and sandboxing it claims to have. Its functional, and can be marginally useful, but I'm getting pretty fed up how constantly broken it is.
(DIR) Post #B55ociIuhRCDJXjlBI by vii@dsmc.space
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@mr64bit I ran into the brokenness right out the gate and just said fuck it, I'll make my own orchestrator with blackjack, and hookers.
(DIR) Post #B55pFB22L3ozPrBSUq by syzygy@dsmc.space
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@RustyCrab @vii OCTUPLE GOY
(DIR) Post #B55pFBJlHA02IpTc7k by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@syzygy @vii NIGGA ITS A SHELL
(DIR) Post #B55pJ0z5dYsbPddSwi by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@RustyCrab @vii > actually why do you not have ZSH installed? I've never installed zsh on purpose. It's worse fluoride than goddamn bash. You'd think these fuckin' things would be trained on some Bourne-alike, yeah, you expect it, but if it can't function with whatever plain /bin/sh exists on the machine, it's designed by idiots. readline and shitty multi-color prompts are not features a machine needs; most bashisms are not features required for programming.Most of the LLMs have succeeded in creating the median Redditor, something no one wanted, but like the median Redditor, it's also crippled without its Mac:germanB:ook:germanB:ro.reddit_is_fucking_terrible_at_programming.png
(DIR) Post #B55pK0s9XSAbM4rnk0 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@syzygy @vii PERHAPS I SHOULD ADD SOME INCEST TO YOUR TERMINAL TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING
(DIR) Post #B55qzNMAwnhsuqCGBs by syzygy@dsmc.space
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@RustyCrab @vii What the fuck is wrong with sh
(DIR) Post #B55qzNYEDzLdWDpsye by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@syzygy @vii its fine zsh is just better
(DIR) Post #B55r9RR2deMwSdGxPM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@p @RustyCrab @vii fish is better anyway
(DIR) Post #B55rDCs2jNPcRqhJLM by syzygy@dsmc.space
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@RustyCrab @vii literally how
(DIR) Post #B55rDD8LkkSLGQKKlE by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@syzygy @vii better autocomplete makes things smoother nigga what kind of brain worms do you have to spaz out about a shell
(DIR) Post #B55rGr2poyKVulU7Xc by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@mischievoustomato @vii @p ive never used fish but i WILL JUST TO PISS OFF SYGZY
(DIR) Post #B55rLRo94wvD5jnuiG by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@RustyCrab @vii @p a friend told me about fish, and its nice to use and learn. I don't like posix syntax, and if I ever need pozzix, #!/usr/bin/env bash in a script will most likely suffice, or i can just call bash temporarily like the cheap whore it is.
(DIR) Post #B55rkHfXuZ5Gt1cn7A by syzygy@dsmc.space
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@RustyCrab @vii @p @mischievoustomato GOY! GOY! GOY!
(DIR) Post #B55rkI06g7WxunFDA8 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato IM INSTALLING FISH ON YOUR COMPUTER WHILE YOURE NOT LOOKING BETTER SLEEP WITH ONE EYE OPEN
(DIR) Post #B55rlWYS3KA3LJtiFM by pettanko@tsundere.love
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@RustyCrab @vii i don't have zsh installed
(DIR) Post #B55rpwn8RkiFsCsJAu by vii@dsmc.space
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@p BUT FUCKING LITERALLY.> :hal9000: You need to configure Telegram for that.> :elizanoted: But why? This isn't a telegram feature. This has nothing to do with Telegram.> :hal9000: You're right to call that out.
(DIR) Post #B55rpxpeZsJz6J3pjs by kirby@netzsphaere.xyz
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@RustyCrab @vii @p @mischievoustomato it's sigh zuy guy get it right
(DIR) Post #B55rpxyA4F7vWh2d04 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@kirby @vii @p @mischievoustomato GYPZY
(DIR) Post #B55rvvKamzK557NFh2 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii > You're right to call that out.This shit makes me want to choke every RLHF dipshit in San Francisco.
(DIR) Post #B55s2aqRM5CBZUS1Am by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@kirby @RustyCrab @vii @p i just read his name as "sissy gee". Fitting, in my opinion.
(DIR) Post #B55sJVERTd695Pjz5E by kirby@netzsphaere.xyz
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@mischievoustomato @RustyCrab @vii @p that's how i read it too i was just fucking with the crab
(DIR) Post #B55sRfundndWXJRxM8 by syzygy@dsmc.space
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@RustyCrab @vii @p @mischievoustomato FISH AIN'T EVEN IN THE PACKAGE MANAGER JIT
(DIR) Post #B55sRg8GpiPbD5kiLw by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
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@syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato PACKAGES ARE THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNS IM IN ROUTE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE WAKING UP WITH A SYSTEM FULL OF FLATPACKS
(DIR) Post #B55sYGbS9IBK3kXmU4 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p flatpaks? you lost me there. You'll have to be boiled.
(DIR) Post #B55tB4yLKG5vHTl2CO by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
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@p @RustyCrab @vii Zshell is just graphical preference, I use it in some of my containers where I do graphical things but rest is as native bashrc.ZSH good for some extensions as fuzzy 10K power level as you said the colors and Bat (stupid) etc.. I don't use most extensions but it's just like do you prefer Gnome or KDE thing for me frankly.But as base all remain Ptyxis bash 3.5 as basePeople could argue about nano or Vim also.
(DIR) Post #B55tB5Jy1rOMMXsIu8 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@zer0unplanned @vii @RustyCrab > it's just like do you prefer Gnome or KDE thing for me frankly. Likewise except with way more derision.
(DIR) Post #B55tCQgW5JkKuW3z4i by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@mischievoustomato @RustyCrab @vii :itscalledwedoalittletrolling:
(DIR) Post #B55tIPQjf6Z4l0X7U8 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @vii Do you think surk will get pissed off at you for punching yourself in the dick or do you just end up with a sore dick and surk expresses incredulity?
(DIR) Post #B55tRfHM6e7eW8YjYW by mint@ryona.agency
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@p @RustyCrab @vii print() in JS apparently calls the browser's page printing dialog.Screenshot_20260408_222731.pngScreenshot_20260408_222805.png
(DIR) Post #B55thO9bXoFa2RQoL2 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@mint @RustyCrab @vii I think it's pseudocode but it works as-is in Ruby (though "print" does not add a line-terminator).
(DIR) Post #B55tmQAnSqaZkUOAVs by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@syzygy @RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @vii:dracula: KSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH:dracula2: That's what my /dev/random sound like.
(DIR) Post #B55tzxgMBpLxRKbigi by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@RustyCrab @syzygy @mischievoustomato @vii does motherfuckers not know how to `./configure && make && sudo make install` any more
(DIR) Post #B55uNPM5T553vWJ3xY by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
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autohell killed the ease of tarball installing...
(DIR) Post #B55vZztdXDPugbZ9E0 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@EdBoatConnoisseur @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato It's worse now, you gotta cmake ninja wheel.
(DIR) Post #B55vk9hLwjvTywfEXo by vii@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @EdBoatConnoisseur @mischievoustomato see? make ninja wheel
(DIR) Post #B560qGnix1PBWFNYzw by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato i wanted to give fish another try some time ago because it bears a certain (morbid) fascination for me.> fish's core code has been ported from C++ to Rust.. that's TOO morbid :)
(DIR) Post #B560qH08CtKW8jBTKy by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii rust's cool
(DIR) Post #B58CdHz4pQH3BqBa2i by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato When it was first created, it was written in Perl.
(DIR) Post #B58DwXsY3YXjwVsVJg by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@mischievoustomato @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p rust gives you crabs
(DIR) Post #B58F4uXTn36mUcZmiG by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato it's not my language of choice but i respect perl people. they usually just do their hacking and don't bother anyone, contrary to the rust evangelism strike force :)
(DIR) Post #B58FXDslSvvOar242q by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato > they usually just do their hacking and don't bother anyone, contrary to the rust evangelism strike force :)"Why I Hate Advocacy" is an excellent read and it came from the Perl people: https://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html/Unfortunately for the Rust Evangelism Strike Force, the discussion of NIH and mindless advocacy was not invented by Rust and was thus completely ignored; apart from that, it was written in 2000 and, although human nature hasn't changed, everything older than the most recent push to cargo is too old to consider.
(DIR) Post #B58FYeownKkmQmvlx2 by radix023@noauthority.social
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@bonifartius @p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato #JAPH
(DIR) Post #B58FqHvSekPCdVNuLo by vii@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @bonifartius @mischievoustomato mjd was a good dude. probably still is, but he was too. Heavens, I used to pore over the perl blogs.
(DIR) Post #B58FvQN6gLTAHKlTai by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy Lotta good shit in there. I think the advocacy piece is, like, something that should have been passed around every couple of years and people slapped in the face for disregarding it, etc.
(DIR) Post #B58HbknfDhsvkiw0y8 by ins0mniak@fsebugoutzone.org
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@p @bonifartius @RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @syzygy @viiExample1-4088000196.png
(DIR) Post #B58S62KHccdKL1GqiO by idiot@shitposter.world
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@ins0mniak @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @bonifartius @mischievoustomato Cromulent ragebait, well done, it's got it all and the longer I look the worse it gets, bravissimo I say.
(DIR) Post #B58X6fFDQMwMoO1F8S by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@ins0mniak @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii :venomsnakedemon2:
(DIR) Post #B58evZwdaTB0p5YQkK by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@p Advocacy is the biggest problem in computing. Once they force whatever it is into all the mainline things the mainline things are not much better than the closed alternative because by then the option to go without it is taken away from any but the most devoted resistance. @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #B58kpRB7rnbjcdmn1E by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Leyonhjelm @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii The only reasonable strategy, I think, is to just ignore the mainstream of whatever and try to isolate reasonable things.
(DIR) Post #B58l0gJ1xn4lizqRbk by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@idiot @ins0mniak @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii When you find out that the "modern" one is just a wrapper around nmap, the joke comes full-circle.
(DIR) Post #B58oO406KhbxjepdSK by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@p I agree. I’ve always just been surrounded by retards who think I can help them with normie shit. Which I can’t without murdering them. @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #B59UjM4wVhNhxYvorg by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
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Perhaps one of the worst things about advocacy is it leads to really bad software. Remembering back to the Java haydays, j<everything> was generally worse than the code it replaced, likely because its objective was to replace something, not to make great software. I'm seeing that happening with rust-<everything> now.Not that I don't use Rust myself, but "X but written in Y" software has a bad tendency to be slop.
(DIR) Post #B59kW2KCF5OACCjmrI by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato that was a nice read!> The best glues can stick to everything.hehe> They want other people to join the Tribe. If they meet someone who doesn’t like Perl, it’s an insult to the Tribe and a personal affront to them.i don't even have any good argument against rust itself as i didn't even really look at it in the first place. sole reason for this is that from the get-go the rust people were insufferable, just like poettering.
(DIR) Post #B59kW2nySNCxgYfZGy by protos@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato that goes both ways, there are also some really retarded anti-rust cultists, as you can see if you go into lunduke's comments, where you see nocoders who think it's some conspiracy because the institutions that for decades have sponsored formally validated software without garbage collection are sponsoring rust, or that the compiler that can be bootstrapped from source in two different ways has a trusting trust injection, and such bullshit
(DIR) Post #B59kW3B14hdiq1RyBk by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato i think whatever the language brings in positive aspects (not all that much imo) is more than negated by the cultist community.i'm not up to date, does rust have a spec now or is it still just the one implementation? is bootstrapping done from C or does one need to download binaries?
(DIR) Post #B59kW3Sk0nolizk7oe by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p you dont have to deal with the community
(DIR) Post #B59p18w66xRLUhYOKe by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@mischievoustomato @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @protos at this point that's a bit like "you don't have to deal with the spanish inquisition"
(DIR) Post #B59p19O6QpqEtYekz2 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @protos well i dont deal with the community so idrc
(DIR) Post #B59vEIdJy5Uz3iQaRM by protos@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato it's not just about what it brings, but what it doesn't (40 years of bloat as in C++).it does not have a spec, but I don't see why it should have one eitherbootstrapping is done from ocaml or C++
(DIR) Post #B5AHGQuyKosMKA6fGC by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato > i don't even have any good argument against rust itselfLLVM is enough for me. But the thing is it has nothing really to recommend it: it's just a kinda shitty hybrid of the worst parts of C++ and JavaScript, the two languages Mozilla loves.i_do_not_care_for_rust.png
(DIR) Post #B5AHWS85b8OKiOsf4K by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @ins0mniak @idiot @mischievoustomato but how can it be memory safe then? :)
(DIR) Post #B5AHZeH8tbHVFodgfY by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@cjd @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato i remember this because when i was young i always tried to set up these java things which supposedly were the best thing ever, only to fail because something java happened. maybe the worst damage of this advocacy thing is that people coming into computer stuff think the one-best-solution is the norm and good. took me years to undo that damage tbh.
(DIR) Post #B5AJI5cwfEjQmOamK8 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@protos @bonifartius @RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii > there are also some really retarded anti-rust cultistsUnhinged people sometimes have a smaller, unhinged backlash. There is no widespread problem with anti-Rust people showing up to bother people that are writing in Rust.rust_bot_astroturfing.png
(DIR) Post #B5AJIw7DVvqNZL9gjA by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato Tangent...I attended a Perl conference around the time that post was made where MJD was a speaker and he gave us a choice of a few talks he could give. I don't remember what the other choices were but pretty much everyone decided they wanted to hear his talk on Lambda Calculus. So he talked about that, and like maybe 10% of the talk was Perl specific with him providing implementation examples using Perl since that's what the attendees were most familiar with. But it really had more to do with conceptual stuff like, how do you implement an `if` statement when there's not already an `if` statement, etc, and building a language grammar from the ground up. I don't remember all the details, but it really opened my eyes towards FOD.
(DIR) Post #B5AJaPIgG5Vt0VqdSC by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@toiletpaper @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii Oh, yeah, you know, I learned that stuff from Unlambda, hilariously: http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/ .
(DIR) Post #B5APi6xkv71IAz7LHs by idiot@shitposter.world
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @ins0mniak @bonifartius @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #B5AQ3GsTFiMN0WjeCW by ins0mniak@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bonifartius @p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @idiot @mischievoustomato this might be of interest to you.https://hemaks.org/posts/the-rust-safety-myth-memory-leaks-in-supposedly-safe-code/
(DIR) Post #B5AQ4BOJ8X6IHU3rbE by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@ins0mniak Rust is homosexual and causes anal leakage@RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @bonifartius @idiot @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #B5AQ4rLb8ztAPF7ICu by ins0mniak@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Leyonhjelm @RustyCrab @bonifartius @idiot @mischievoustomato @p @syzygy @vii acccurate.also fucking annoying having to listen to people around here never shut the fuck up about it lol
(DIR) Post #B5AQ4t5if0NLoZhdjc by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@ins0mniak Anyone who is in programming and is considering doing Rust should instead go back to college and get a bachelor’s degree in the arts. There is literally less chance of being a gay communist and getting the AIDS from that than from any exposure to Rust. @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @bonifartius @idiot @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #B5AQ70Uk6ZEJM7PyQS by ins0mniak@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Leyonhjelm @RustyCrab @bonifartius @idiot @mischievoustomato @p @syzygy @vii plus with AI writing code for everyone there's going to be an epic shitstorm of security issues and crashes that actual programmers are going to have to go back and fix.
(DIR) Post #B5AQYcAO9OBm0l3tNw by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@zer0unplanned Your argument here means unfathomably little to me. @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @ins0mniak @p @bonifartius @idiot @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #B5AQYxvxDjiNWMTfwO by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
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I deleted it before your response as I was confused with another thread.
(DIR) Post #B5AQYy5We9N402xJrM by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@zer0unplanned That makes more sense than it being a response to what I said@RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @ins0mniak @p @bonifartius @idiot @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #B5AQZlcsSwAFdfw99E by protos@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @mischievoustomato @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p what happens if you just write rust code without being in their discord?
(DIR) Post #B5AQh44qGP6UtIUrUO by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@protos @bonifartius @RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii Jithub is their Discord. 4chan is their Discord. The entire interwebs is the Rustposter's Discord. No one is safe. People have done that to me on *fedi*.
(DIR) Post #B5AQnD7rX8u4gzq9aq by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@protos @bonifartius @RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii > it's not just about what it brings, but what it doesn'tPut on the stripey socks and shut the fuck up.
(DIR) Post #B5AQoKiQng9aWOTpfk by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato no spec means the whole language is undefined which is pretty funny for something which markets as total safety, imo
(DIR) Post #B5AQqFdaeRzNLq899E by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@bonifartius @protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @mischievoustomato > no spec means the whole language is undefinedI see no problem with this, actually.
(DIR) Post #B5AQrGC848SLMulbai by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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Why would you want something that's got rust? Seems like horrible marketing.
(DIR) Post #B5ARVyd0HZfalAkhto by CapitalB@noauthority.social
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@bonifartius @cjd @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato I hate java for this reason. There was one p2p software written in python or Delphi or C(++) and one idiocracy moment in JAVA The java shit always produced a OOM. >:
(DIR) Post #B5ARddUakSB5WdTCEa by vii@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @bonifartius @toiletpaper @mischievoustomato ```s``sii`ki ``s``s`ks ``s``s`ks``s`k`s`kr ``s`k`si``s`k`s`k `d````````````.H.e.l.l.o.,. .w.o.r.l.d.! k k `k``s``s`ksk`k.*me when calling a cat named hello world
(DIR) Post #B5ARojZgTX35Zf8ygq by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @toiletpaper You look at Unlambda and Brainfuck and it proves the Horseshoe Theory for language design.
(DIR) Post #B5ARvNmht8Gk1MPCBk by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@Humpleupagus @protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato THREE BILLION DEVICES RUN RUST
(DIR) Post #B5ARw3AY1OhWNAsJXc by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@p The only thing Rust makes me want to move is my bowels @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @protos
(DIR) Post #B5ASbaDm2WIkkrBkZM by syzygy@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato >compile rust project>installs 56,274 crates>32 threads spawn>CPU's are running at 120% usage>compiler getting dangerously close to being killed for eating 60 GB of memory in 1.2 ms>19 hours pass>done
(DIR) Post #B5ASdSxW0locoJTuyG by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@syzygy @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @vii "Hey, my 'Hello, World!' is memory-safe now!"
(DIR) Post #B5AT0FX85rHzpf0IW8 by syzygy@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato Blazing Fast 🚀 Memory Safe 🚀
(DIR) Post #B5ATSsV2oLIMnCgCCO by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@syzygy @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @vii "I minify my nodejs codebases."
(DIR) Post #B5ATU569SIwm9ibsJM by vii@dsmc.space
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@syzygy @p @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato > blazing fastI tend to move slower when I'm blazing up.
(DIR) Post #B5AUmQC3rWIUkSgQYi by ehhh@varishangout.net
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato ngl this push towards tranny code is also making me less trustworthy of linux nowadays, Arch in particular. The Germans and I guess the upper hierarches of Arch Linux decided that completely rewriting ALPM in Rust was a good idea. I guess they don't think ALPM contributers are competent at C so instead of learning the language properly they opt to completely convert to Rust... For handholding?And of course the usual alphabet weirdos governing Rust development are about as sane as you'd expect. It's only a matter of time when petty infighting happens that fractures the whole project and then people will just go back to C again because they cannot trust the community to be run by competent people.
(DIR) Post #B5AVmD6WczBM6gYbJ2 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@ehhh @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii > less trustworthy of linux nowadaysWell, like, I think Linux has been borderline intolerable for a decade at least. I started treating Linux like Windows in the late 90s, you know, "Here's this thing I have to run for work shit but I hate touching it." But as soon as they forced their CoC down Linus's throat, I figured it was over.> The Germans and I guess the upper hierarches of Arch Linux decided that completely rewriting ALPM in Rust was a good idea.Ew.There's always https://crux.nu/ if you want the thing that Arch forked off from. CRUX has stayed good so far. :crux:> they opt to completely convert to Rust... For handholding?Well, like, I never had a good time with pacman personally. I switched from Arch back to Slackware for shit I don't care about.> It's only a matter of time when petty infighting happens that fractures the whole project and then people will just go back to C again because they cannot trust the community to be run by competent people. Python fell apart completely when it lost its competent management and it is now less stable than *Ruby*. This didn't actually stop people from using it, though.
(DIR) Post #B5AXkLvj2hHsoCkPMu by vii@dsmc.space
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@ehhh @RustyCrab @syzygy @p @bonifartius @mischievoustomato I had a reaction of disgust when recently switching back to gentoo and discovering a new detail in the handbook; RUSTFLAGS is now an optional part of make.conf.
(DIR) Post #B5AYpRVfpAFPW4YLJY by vii@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @ehhh > Python fell apart completely when it lost its competent management and it is now less stable than *Ruby*. This didn't actually stop people from using it, though.I still long for the parallel universe where julia wasn't written with llvm and was the lingua franca for ML.
(DIR) Post #B5Ac48Kvgy4AG2Dxaa by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii @RustyCrab @bonifartius @ehhh @mischievoustomato @syzygy I felt that way about Pure. It would be a workable ML-alike (the other ML) if it wasn't LLVM. Very usable language.
(DIR) Post #B5Adl6hzijSJcB4H4q by vii@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @ehhh I can see why you like it; it kinda reads like an easier-to-write forth. XD
(DIR) Post #B5AeOynoXCvig4npLc by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii @RustyCrab @bonifartius @ehhh @mischievoustomato @syzygy It is one of the few languages where the first program I wrote was useful; was checking the Spamhaus PBL for IPs that were blocked, and thankfully nobody uses Spamhaus any more. (Postscript was another; Postscript had the added bonus of actually being useful for a real-world task for a person that was not me.) Much more enjoyable than Haskell, anyway, and more convenient than OCaml, much more legible than Erlang. The extremely low-friction C function calls made it really easy to deal with.using system;extern hostent *gethostbyname(char *name);pblize addr = (join "." (reverse (split "." addr))) + ".zen.spamhaus.org";check domain::string = gethostbyname (pblize domain) ~= NULL;pcheck addr::string =if check addr then ((puts(addr + " is blocked!")) $$ 1)else ((puts(addr + " is fine.")) $$ 0); count_pbld args = foldr (+) 0 $ map pcheck $ tail args;main = exit $ count_pbld $ tail argv;if compiling then () else main;
(DIR) Post #B5Afd9hOuz7kTt7tZI by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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> Please buy our rusted devices.
(DIR) Post #B5AkENrRcugIw1pcNU by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
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Most of my devices I inherited from my great-grandpa have at least a little rust on them. Not bad for 70+ years but there.
(DIR) Post #B5AkEbAi8aoiDXwgiG by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
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@Humpleupagus @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @protos joe biden declared it as americas national coding language get over it chuddy :garlicman_chud_dance: :biden_frownies2: :tranny_retard_death:
(DIR) Post #B5BIgaFcYFvXuZl3tg by protos@tsundere.love
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato is this your spambot? the immediate context should be sufficient to know that "discord" was not the important part but rather "if you just write rust code" without caring about any community.if I write some rust code and then some faggot comes to my github complaining about how my code fails the clippy lints or I used unsafe flippantly, I don't see that as a reason to drop the language.
(DIR) Post #B5BIgaVvZcyGj9O5JY by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@protos @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii > is this your spambot?Do you read context? The remark was that the community is irritating and they jump out of the bushes to ask if you'd like to buy a vegan timeshare. So jumping in to say "But what if you write Rust code *anyway*?" is unrelated as well as exactly the complaint.> but rather "if you just write rust code" without caring about any community.If I *don't* write Rust code, I still can't get away from their :glowinthedark: "community" :threeletteragentglowsobright:.Touching Rust on purpose is orthogonal to the process.
(DIR) Post #B5BJLS7lffIua1ZZSq by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@ehhh @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato if you ask me, arch went to shit in 2011 or so when project lead changed. was cool before, because it was simple and then someone decided that systemd is a good idea. .. maybe i should thank them, this made me go to slackware again :)
(DIR) Post #B5DyJ039Z5URMmHcWm by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato big question is why would i use rust ❓starts with the ecosystem where you have a centralized package registry. you aren't politically correct enough? did something "wrong"? package name gets taken away by glowies, cf. left-pad fuckup.go did take long to get their packaging stuff, there was some mild drama, but it resulted in getting things right 90%.hell i'd rather use a language with NO official package management instead of a registry.
(DIR) Post #B5DyJ13tnngGVNdjKS by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato registries worked for the perl and tex hippies because they were sane people interested in hacking."modern" devs are political first, hacking second and you can't escape this in the walled gardens they build. only way is to jump over the wall, and roam the wilderness, as well as one can.
(DIR) Post #B5DysjNH2chO4bjSuO by protos@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato you can import crates from urls to git repos, no registry required.
(DIR) Post #B5Dysjn9UPOnMrq8FE by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@protos @bonifartius @RustyCrab @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii The big problem with "crates" is not the finer points of where they are hosted.
(DIR) Post #B5Dz4lf8MOFGe1pGJk by protos@tsundere.love
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @bonifartius @mischievoustomato are you illiterate? the context was "I don't want to use rust *because the community is bad*". the obvious response being "you are a dumb goy if other people can vicariously prevent you from enjoying something".I get that the anti-rust cult needs to contrive any reason to hate rust, but this just isn't it.especially when the reverse goes for C, I remember getting a rust hellthread from saying "LLVM is good because it allowed rust to exist in a way GCC couldn't have".
(DIR) Post #B5Dz4lv5P50PRVI0BM by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@protos @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @syzygy @vii > are you illiterate? the context wasThe context when you showed up was "Rust shitheads keep trying to push Rust" and you showed up to push Rust.> :alexjonescrying: NO *YOU* ARE A CULT:brandt:
(DIR) Post #B5Dz5Ygw4Tnkho2tQe by protos@tsundere.love
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@bonifartius @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato except cargo trivially lets you import crates from any source, be it a local directory or git repo, so "you can't escape this" is a ridiculous thing to say
(DIR) Post #B5Dz5YrvPcalFtBfYe by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato still the default is centralized, but fine.why should i use rust and not say, ocaml or pascal or something else which doesn't has bad vibes defining their stuff?because it's "memory safe"? cargo uses libcurl and openssl iirc, and those two things are prime targets for a memory safe implementation.see, you can use rust if you want, that's fine. i have zero interest in it, i rather learn the next fringe language.
(DIR) Post #B5Dz625OmbbJs4iL5M by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@protos @RustyCrab @syzygy @vii @p @mischievoustomato not arguing that i'm dumb, or a goy
(DIR) Post #B5DzED3prYbKE2skXQ by vii@dsmc.space
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@p @RustyCrab @syzygy @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @protos p, how do you know you don't like heroin if you don't inject the heroin? You can't just look at the people nodding off around you, you have to take the heroin to have a valid opinion about heroin. Just shoot up heroin without caring about any heroin community.
(DIR) Post #B5DzHfBhkC3CKQD3Vw by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@vii @RustyCrab @bonifartius @mischievoustomato @protos @syzygy> Just shoot up heroin without caring about any heroin community. sev i am doubled over
(DIR) Post #B5G5IYnDzecepGUReq by nimt@cum.estate
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@p @RustyCrab @vii
(DIR) Post #B5G5S0r31vs6SomlyS by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@nimt @RustyCrab @vii POSIX shells on POSIX. Plan 9 shell on Plan 9. (There's also ape/psh if you need POSIX.) But the point is that whatever annoys people about POSIX annoys *people*. Machines are immune to annoyance.
(DIR) Post #B5G5SeqkKTOiVSx63c by nimt@cum.estate
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@p @RustyCrab @vii COMMAND.COM mogs both
(DIR) Post #B5G5sU3X5BuaYkFPlI by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@nimt @RustyCrab @vii `cp rootkit.exe /n/buildrom/autorun.exe && cp rootkit.exe /n/buildrom/install.exe && disk/mk9660 -j -s /n/buildrom/ -p /sys/lib/sysconfig/proto/allproto doomcrack.iso`
(DIR) Post #B5G9UnK2CRPLB9vSl6 by p@fsebugoutzone.org
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@khayyam @nimt @RustyCrab @vii :brain0: Wayland:brain1: Ubuntu's default DE:brain2: ratpoison because fuck mice:brain3: ratpoison because it makes it easy to use drawterm full-screen.