Post B57Fxmbum7jofjr7iq by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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(DIR) Post #B56b9oJcAMoxJWudqi by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot !speed,!metal,!psychic
(DIR) Post #B56bBwU8lJflEOqua8 by deckbot@sacred.harpy.faith
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['speed0', 'speed1', 'speed2', 'speed3', 'speed4', 'speed5', 'metal0', 'metal1', 'metal2', 'metal3', 'metal5', 'metal6', 'psychic0', 'psychic1', 'psychic2', 'psychic3', 'psychic4', 'psychic5'] deck created
(DIR) Post #B56bBwjjpK9K0m9MtU by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot draw 5
(DIR) Post #B56bHns7hNXqFtrgrQ by deckbot@sacred.harpy.faith
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metal0,metal5,psychic5,psychic3,metal1
(DIR) Post #B56bKKQZd1nJnvBPDU by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot psychic3, metal1, draw 2
(DIR) Post #B56bMu8LqSHt7jt71k by deckbot@sacred.harpy.faith
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psychic1,psychic2
(DIR) Post #B56bXVW9huhrxp4tqS by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot pyschic5 drops metal0, makes threat, psychic2 completes it, leaving psychic1 and metal5 in hand. Then compile, refresh, draw 3Turn 6 completed
(DIR) Post #B56bYRmp46V8gJK1sO by deckbot@sacred.harpy.faith
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metal3,speed3,speed5speed0,metal6,speed4,speed2,metal2,psychic0
(DIR) Post #B56bsvMqnEL0DWwDiK by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot Metal5 drops speed5, metal3 draws speed0, speed0 plays... Eh, annoyingly, speed3.Refresh draws 4, which I accidentally did anyway, and at that point I have the last piece in hand.10th turn complete, turn 12 it goes off.
(DIR) Post #B56bw22eR1rDmlyJWa by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot (An opponent simply playing 5,4,2 takes 9 turns to win.)
(DIR) Post #B56bxIkHof6jsgzGMq by deckbot@sacred.harpy.faith
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['5', '4', '2'] deck created
(DIR) Post #B56c6qBgqhBqCpLzdI by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot (Ah actually, since that costs, on average, 4 cards, they need to refresh twice, so 11 turns to win.)
(DIR) Post #B56cAlwYZQ46CY9Lv6 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot (Hurr forgot that compiling takes a turn too so 14, and at that point stunlock is finally faster.)
(DIR) Post #B56cUTe2JXLFEysoi0 by Suzu@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @deckbot wtf?
(DIR) Post #B56caMWBiuwMsL1CeO by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@Suzu @deckbot None of this accounts for opponents discarding/deleting my shit.
(DIR) Post #B56cuXkzeD6bWWZBuS by Suzu@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @deckbot what game is this even?
(DIR) Post #B56cvVD2bZb7ub8vJo by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@Suzu @deckbot
(DIR) Post #B56d9c9lZXt7VpLAC8 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot @Suzu Oh this doesn't actually include the rules.I have been meaning to add the rules to the card data file, maybe I will do that now and repost.
(DIR) Post #B56hjukOKUFHPc2INs by Suzu@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @deckbot interesting
(DIR) Post #B56hjv3t9zqEO59rm4 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@Suzu @deckbot @nigger oh shit I didn't realise that you have to have the bigger line to compile, only that it has to be >=10. That changes a LOT.
(DIR) Post #B57FxmQZSIfE6YY42a by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot oh is that an errata? I doubt I'd have missed such a huge rule
(DIR) Post #B57Fxmbum7jofjr7iq by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu It's on both the rule sheets of my physicals.
(DIR) Post #B57FxmlqBDg5AWV3C4 by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot oh so it was there all along, that makes metal 3 way better than previously believed
(DIR) Post #B57GAwlMLA95vKYBjU by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu Also here is version 0.whatever with validation errors fixed.Actually fuck it I'm putting a version number in this thing.
(DIR) Post #B57LGuRWNWJQEjvxaK by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot as far as treating them as specs for a rule implemented interface, versions actually matter (also card erratas)
(DIR) Post #B57LGudvdOEkrDjrvM by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu This version number is for the json file itself, not for the source material, so it's not very useful for that.
(DIR) Post #B57LGuqKtGA5ThXmGO by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@deckbot @Suzu @nigger Also apparently uhhhh death 3 got errata'd or smth, in my copy it has already been changed, so I'm not certain what the original text said; it doesn't specify in the errata notice.
(DIR) Post #B57mUfpMDGEJiws33A by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot if only the json changes, that is still relevant
(DIR) Post #B58WZWgoD6y2is7lL6 by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot looks the same to me unless the json is out of date
(DIR) Post #B58WZWtvQLSXNYGEme by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu Sorry, I was thinking of hate 2. It's in the codex pdf. Basically I think we have the final version of the game.
(DIR) Post #B5S9KVJ4epTYJ25ZK4 by latein@cawfee.club
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @nigger @deckbot the codex as I posted earlier is the most up to date resource (Main 3 is currently being playtested). I also found that metal 2 + covered psychic 1 in the same line is exodia, Chaos as the last protocol makes the setup reasonable as well, it might also be possible with Time.Going to have my first session playing compile IRL tomorrow
(DIR) Post #B5S9UTnb7N62Wf7fhQ by latein@cawfee.club
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot @nigger encoding the game logic is a huge pain in the ass with how effect queues and especially removals mid-effect work
(DIR) Post #B5SN6iICygHZsy0CIq by latein@cawfee.club
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot @nigger oh why was I thinking about flipping psychic 1 when it was covered, you only need to flip it in the same action that covers it, which metal 0 does while also preventing your opponent from compiling with their last facedown, so Spirit/Metal/Psychic as a main 1 only combo deck works
(DIR) Post #B5SN6imh9KfXPWGXp2 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@latein @deckbot @nigger @Suzu I don't think metal 0 can target psychic 1 if it's played into the same line? Surely it should count as covered by the time the effect resolves.
(DIR) Post #B5SN6j3i84HQGIE8LQ by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot as in, psychic 1 is played, opponent plays a facedown, psychic 1 flips itself, metal 0 lowers opponent's score and flips psychic 1 back up while covering its third box, then metal 2 ends the game
(DIR) Post #B5SOFzhrhdUwSCzaIy by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu @latein >metal 0 [...] flips psychic 1 back up while covering its third boxI don't believe it is possible for it to do both.
(DIR) Post #B5SOG04uJxvhbflzDk by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot as in, it covers the third box by physically being a card on top of psychic 1
(DIR) Post #B5SQ90EHYnd1xNwtwO by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @Suzu @deckbot @latein war 1 and plague 2 also sounds like another fun lockdown
(DIR) Post #B5SQ90X4QweotejuE4 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu @latein That's not a complete lockdown though, because plague 2 isn't an ongoing effect. Corruption 2 might make it viable.
(DIR) Post #B5TA1pqON0QbbzILNw by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu @latein Yes, I gathered. As I said, I do not believe it can target psychic 1 with its flip effect in that case, because it should already be covering it. Box2 effects resolve after the card lands (see Card Text on page 2 of the PDF that notes that water 4 can target itself - I thought I'd also seen something about life 1's second effect not occurring if it targets itself with its first effect, not sure where though - this would be a contradiction if it were still committed at that point)....Hey, on page 3, in Committed Cards, it notes that cards enter a line "in the order they were committed, one at a time". You previously said that diversity 1 would come in on top of whatever it shifts (if it shifts into its line), but that's not the case. But I guess because it hasn't actually landed in the line yet then it gets to keep resolving, and then gets covered after it finishes. (So the rule about text stopping as soon as it leaves play is only for uncovering and flipping cards, I guess.)
(DIR) Post #B5TA1qE8whQWnePJPE by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@latein @deckbot @Suzu @nigger I just realised I'm contradicting myself here.I think diversity 1 doesn't work if you shift one of your cards into its line.
(DIR) Post #B5TcoH9AxVpmuHy29Q by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot turns out it cannot, the middle effect is something on the field, so such setup cannot be done by metal, that is good to know as I'm making the simulator. plague 4 then would be the gay combo of main 1, and speed+plague sounds playable regardless
(DIR) Post #B5TdoezKPyFsnr6moa by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu @latein Metal/psychic/speed still works, and darkness is a poor substitute for speed.I tend to just play everything though so you can just sub it out for chaos. It's almost to the point that the first two picks have to be metal and psychic just to stop them getting together.
(DIR) Post #B5Te0kiwuyn44FDIPY by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@latein @deckbot @Suzu @nigger Also next time I play I'm gonna try like clarity/light/luck, but I honestly don't think luck is very good even if it hits 100% of the time.
(DIR) Post #B5U6ppNKBLJryiF1xg by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot you're right, metal 0, psychic 1, speed 3 and metal 2 is exodia. play psychic 1, cover same turn with speed 3. then play metal 2 facedown in the same line, then flip with metal 0.it's also resistant to compiling because the combo consists of more score in the psychic line than your opponent can produce themselveshowever there are still outs for someone who has played before and sees the combo coming. fire 3 and death 1 are passive interaction, plague can rip cards from hand, chaos/assimilation steal pieces etc.
(DIR) Post #B5U7MDJAjd7HTJk4Gm by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu @latein Metal 0 is superfluous: Just play psychic 1 last, and have speed 3 target metal 2.>however there are still outs for someone who has played before and sees the combo coming. fire 3 and death 1 are passive interaction, plague can rip cards from hand, chaos/assimilation steal pieces etc.Even just having 9 points sitting in 2 lines is a pretty good threat; the combo takes a minimum of 3 turns to enact, and, generally, touches every line (with some shenanigans you may be able to reduce it to 2 lines, though that probably increases the number of - visible - turns) so as soon as a piece appears, they just shove a facedown into the relevant line to make it fuck off a turn later.Hmm, but those two lines have to be metal and speed. But yeah, removal is a much safer counter.
(DIR) Post #B5U7Nbelh5UVHCVWs4 by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot clarity/time is a good combo, huge draw engine, maybe could work with plague 2how do you start people out? I gave myself the worst matchup I could think of, metal/plague/light vs water/life/gravity, but it wasn't close. I'm thinking me having a hand size of 3 for clear cache and refresh might be fair even if I'm playing anything other than psychic 1.
(DIR) Post #B5U7nQN4H9cPnvXV3Y by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu @latein I just pick things that, by name, seem like they'd work well together, especially things I haven't played before. Since I'm usually wrong, it works out alright.
(DIR) Post #B5U9EKyYXkjuqNTGkK by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot as in, I know each card in each deck, but the new player I am facing doesn't even know their own
(DIR) Post #B5U9N8OcgQQ6R2rHXc by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@nigger @deckbot @Suzu @latein Yeah, I have deliberately not memorised every card in the game, for this purpose.Like if someone asks me "what does XX mean" I will probably know what card it is, but I don't go into any match with a full understanding of either player's deck.
(DIR) Post #B5UB6Hm2lPJCVNuHpI by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@latein @deckbot @Suzu @nigger @HatkeshiatorTND btw you should come play Compile too. I think latest version of the json (essential) is in this thread, probably the appendix pdf (optional) too.
(DIR) Post #B5UCg5OeMLicUrbEG0 by HatkeshiatorTND@annihilation.social
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @nigger @deckbot i'll turn the json into sexprs by hand so i can read it first, but sure after that i'd be happy to play.
(DIR) Post #B5UCmpT1yzaj7Urd7Q by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
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@HatkeshiatorTND @deckbot @nigger @Suzu @latein Oh and they're not in the same post. The post with the pdf contains an old version of the json, before the rules got added.https://sacred.harpy.faith/media/ae4288510b733d5970c20423200113078c4bbbedde77afc0e0765cb46f05c84f.jsonhttps://sacred.harpy.faith/media/13852ae4274f3ebc51eb3063e1572669dbcb474201204fbabc4d617d3eb6a5b9.pdf
(DIR) Post #B5VLh4ZO0qDUy37uJE by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot I remembered you can just remove Speed 3 when you see it, so metal 0 is not meaningfully protecting metal 2.on the other hand with Darkness 2, any facedown in the Darkness line might be a Psychic 1. although on the flipside darkness is otherwise way worse than speed, and I expect meaningfully playing for the board aside from building the combo would be the best way to play it.winning the game is a threat, but the combo can be done in only one rotation of the deck, in which it is hard to do so. being about to compile onto the psychic line is also only relevant with several cards in hand, and compiling gives the opponent a free turn
(DIR) Post #B5VLhihwmQpdSBRJCq by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@Zergling_man @latein @Suzu @deckbot that is a good idea but not relevant to me as I am developing a simulator, I need to consider all edge cases that arise from card effects and interactions and how to properly modularise card effects. creating a reinforcement learning model for the game and playing against it is probably more fun than playing a game IRL every other week, especially when a hand size of 3 or playing without 5s/6s or only being able to play cards faceup etc. can make the game even