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(DIR) Post #B52Gx4tkQQGFGScozY by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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What are the go-to places for used test and measurement equipment in western Europe? Work is looking to expand one of their other labs and I'm only plugged into the north American refurb scene.
(DIR) Post #B52W5mHSVr3TRSK2Uq by Gina@fosstodon.org
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@azonenberg schools and universities maybe?
(DIR) Post #B52b6RIqUZiIRQ6cFs by hennichodernich@radiosocial.de
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@azonenberg https://www.rosenkranz-elektronik.com/
(DIR) Post #B52dpgotqZ6vVQnsVk by RF_Tom@chaos.social
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@azonenberg https://www.instrumex.de/en/instrumex_home
(DIR) Post #B53hk9y19y4p8oeAXw by fafo@social.fa-fo.de
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(Assuming EU) There's nothing nearly as good as in the US. Your best option is classifieds sites, industrial surplus/insolvency auctions and eBay. Prepare to pay much more than in the US.~q3k@wamserma @azonenberg
(DIR) Post #B53hkAOFaR3oSAv7R2 by q3k@social.hackerspace.pl
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More concretely:Classifieds sites: kleinanzeigwen in DE, ricardo in CH, leboncoin in FR, etc.Industrial auctions: restlos, haemmerle, surplex, apex-auctions.Also many junk peddlers on eBay will accept pretty serious lowball offers - always worth a shot.If anyone knows anything better I'm all ears... But also keep in mind we're more in market for general lab equipment, not just test/measurement equipment.@fafo @wamserma @azonenberg
(DIR) Post #B53hkAo82DlDkR1mls by q3k@social.hackerspace.pl
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(also this is for actually good deals when you have zero budget and infinite time; if you have actual budget and need some warranty and stuff in stock then you're better off going to more specialized suppliers which are the ones usually buying off these industrial auctions and then mark that shit up 3x or more)@fafo @wamserma @azonenberg
(DIR) Post #B53hkAzTM2poJcKqS8 by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@q3k @fafo @wamserma The immediate requirement is to figure out what something along the lines of a WaveRunner 8104/9104 would cost secondhand in/shipped to Madrid. But more generally I don't have a good handle on the market in EU, I only have US surplus contacts
(DIR) Post #B53ilEY1iK8NalZ8W8 by q3k@social.hackerspace.pl
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@azonenberg @fafo @wamserma I wouldn't expect to find this on the second hand market yet, at least not in the open. It might be easier to assume that you're going to buy new and just get a quote from whoever is the local Teledyne reseller.
(DIR) Post #B53jfa4krQnEZmk5yq by gsuberland@chaos.social
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@q3k @azonenberg @fafo @wamserma probably too new to find them being sold off ex-hire from test equipment rental companies, too.
(DIR) Post #B53jfaFODtIf6liaYa by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@gsuberland @q3k @fafo @wamserma There's like three or four 8000/9000 series scopes on US eBay now, although I expect pickings in Europe are slimmer.I bought a used 8404 in 2020 direct from LeCroy when the 9000 series came out and the sales team was dumping all of their 8000 series demo units cheap
(DIR) Post #B53ji11ncj9OkLWMq0 by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@gsuberland @q3k @fafo @wamserma My old 8104 was a test equipment rental fleet retiree, as was the HDO9104 I had after that.
(DIR) Post #B53jyrZw0emYMXWMzI by q3k@social.hackerspace.pl
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@azonenberg @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma Unfortunately that's not how the used test equipment market looks like here. The usual you'll get is stuff like https://www.ebay.de/itm/296061617249 . That's the only WaveRunner 8/9k series on sale right now as far as I can tell. And it actually seems like a really good price.
(DIR) Post #B53kD6j0UbhbONYaDg by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@q3k @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma I mean that's not a terrible price for an 8404, I wanna say mine was $20K asking price and I traded in an 8104 and paid like $13K cash?Admittedly that was 2020 so I would expect them to have depreciated a bit since then (and mine was a -MS so it had the MSO option)
(DIR) Post #B53kHFPO9JiLTxM2oy by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@q3k @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma But work doesnt need anything quite that fancy I was thinking 1-2 GHz class
(DIR) Post #B53kNT95zI2HpChU12 by q3k@social.hackerspace.pl
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@azonenberg @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma Good luck.
(DIR) Post #B53kU9EOQaGU5WMYka by q3k@social.hackerspace.pl
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@azonenberg @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma (and maybe consider a higher end new Rigol instead)
(DIR) Post #B53kU9NFtdM0X0VdZ2 by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@q3k @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma We specifically want good PC interface performance for ngscopeclient and custom signal processing, LeCroy is the current leader for that at least among models I've checked. Rigols and Siglents are awful by comparison
(DIR) Post #B53kWe8OV8Z4VnkSQ4 by moritz_negwer@mstdn.science
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@azonenberg @q3k @fafo @wamserma adding for the Netherlands: Dutch techie website tweakers.net has a decent classifieds section that occasionally includes lab equipment (e.g. https://tweakers.net/elektronica-en-tweaking/aanbod/) There also is very limited ebay presence there, most stuff is traded via marktplaats.nl (ironically an ebay subsidiary), see e.g. https://www.marktplaats.nl/q/teledyne/That said, secondhand markets in Europe tend to be on country-/language-specific platforms, i.e. scattered and harder to search
(DIR) Post #B53lQ93lDuRMLt2qQa by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@q3k @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma concrete numbers: rigol MSO5074, 1 channel, 1M points does 1.43 WFM/s or 1.43 Msps / 11.4 Mbps over SCPI LAN.At 10M points it'll do 0.54 WFM/s or 5.4 Msps / 43.2 Mbps.Siglent SDS6204A at 2.5M points on one channel does 2.04 WFM/s, 5.1 Msps, 40.8 Mbps.For comparison my LeCroy SDA (the WR8K is similar I just dont have those numbers handy) will do 10.1 WFM/s on *2* channels at 1M points, 20.2 Msps / 323 Mbps (16 bit transfer resolution even though 8-bit ADC because of internal DSP flatness corrections). One channel at 8M points is still 2.87 WFM/s, 22.9 Msps, 367 Mbps.With four channels active and using the FastWavePort feature the SDA can do 13.4 WFM/s with 1M point memory depth, which is 53.6 Msps or 857 Mbps, not quite saturating gig-e but respectably fast. This is over an OOM faster than the Rigol.
(DIR) Post #B53lXBWCTqFk0LhiHw by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@q3k @gsuberland @fafo @wamserma of course none of these can compete with the ThunderScope pushing 50 WFM/s with 20M point memory depth (1000 Msps / 8000 Mbps) but that doesn't have 1 GHz of bandwidth so until they release a faster model I'm stuck with slower PC performance
(DIR) Post #B54HFU5psVXwvxyZBQ by ftg@mastodon.radio
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@azonenberg These two are my go-to's here.https://www.eqtsolutions.fi/https://eastrp.fi/index.html ETP seems to have just updated their web page completely and are still filling it. And even in the past the best way has been to email them directly with your inquiry "I need a signal generator that can do this, preferably cheap. What do you have?"
(DIR) Post #B54ydhUM1PdnSTEnZY by owiecc@en.osm.town
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@azonenberg LeCroy has good ex demo sales regularly. We typically try to buy these as you can at least half off the sticker price. I just got an email from them today for HDO6104B-MS and MDA8208HD.For used stuff there is instrumex.de (I think they are connected with testequity somehow now).
(DIR) Post #B55N7VeN00bQKTfZ5s by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
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@owiecc wait you're still getting ex demo sales? Ping me with your sales contact or something.My US refurb sales rep got laid off a year or two ago and I thought they had just shut down the refurb sales department because the eBay store he used to run was empty