Post B52MHUab7DMiVTDnJQ by chorist@merveilles.town
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(DIR) Post #B524lhZDd9UUGjpdRY by neauoire@merveilles.town
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So, Giuseppe Peano, the Italian Mathematician, had the idea of releasing most of his work in this #conlang called "Latin Sine Flexione", basically Latin but everything is at the infinitive, no genders, no conjugation. As a sort of homage to his work, and considering he was looking for the substrate of mathematical shapes with his ideas, and I've been haphazardly following his footsteps lately with this notation project called Rejoice(REJOIRE!! no I'm kidding, it'll keep the name rejoice in LSF), I've started to write a version of the documentation for this notation in Latin Sine Flexione.After about 3 hours, I present to you:Rejoice es concatenative lingua de programmatione ubi dato es codificato ut sacco que compone per multiplicatione. Stato de programma es "sacco" de re non-ordinate. Per exemplo, strix/[felis^2] significa: consumere duo felis, addere uno strix.Strix is owl, and felis is cat, btw. I don't really know how I'd write multiset, so I am just leaning into the bag thing.
(DIR) Post #B525oA7QXxCvM0ZNY0 by lichendust@sunny.garden
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@neauoire I love how easy to understand this is if you speak any basically any romance languagereject modernity; return to infinitive latin
(DIR) Post #B525vyUXezHVbr6flw by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@lichendust Let's INCIPE MODA!
(DIR) Post #B5266ZlxuAb289JMe0 by aartaka@merveilles.town
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@neauoire I'm adding it to my list, where Armenian stenography and Interslavic already reside. Any resources besides Latin textbooks you can recommend?
(DIR) Post #B526QSqBO5b4QHldtw by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@aartaka I've borrowed almost everything from this: https://wikisource.org/wiki/100_exemplo_de_InterlinguaAnd made up the words I couldn't find on stardict, it might not be the most accurate use of LSF, and it will make flinch anyone who actually reads Latin.
(DIR) Post #B526Z8AzaQJowKdLOK by typeswitch@gamedev.lgbt
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@neauoire i understood it ^^bag is the perfect metaphor imo, even in english. i don't think multiset is nearly as good ("multiset" always has me wondering about things like infinite cardinality, since that's a big "set" thing).
(DIR) Post #B526Z8O6neoJb0lops by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@typeswitch imma put my duo felis in my sacco
(DIR) Post #B528aNevht5p9nMObg by andnull@social.nouveau.community
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@neauoire Several years ago I could possibly understand this (beyond the congates into english). Three years of latin mostly cause I wanted to write it in my art.
(DIR) Post #B528yFrsKGq1wWndGC by andnull@social.nouveau.community
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@neauoire I do not miss all those tables. reciting hic haec hoc :stacky_oof:Tho, I was kinda the best in my class cause I idly wrote in latin in my spare time. Didn't have time to keep up with it nor had any one to share it with
(DIR) Post #B528yGAfCProsnadXs by andnull@social.nouveau.community
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@neauoire Maybe I should add enough vocab to jars to translate Rejoice to it
(DIR) Post #B528yGKwaC5fOgOqZM by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@andnull defining the multiset language rejoice in a multiset conlang.. *swoons*
(DIR) Post #B52AqMrQdv07DqxQXI by neauoire@merveilles.town
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I had to make up a bunch of neologisms or pick old words and give them new meaning. I didn't like insigna or titro and another of the other words for a "label", as in assembly languages. I'll justify every strange word I picked in the html comments X)
(DIR) Post #B52BiPXQu76zAENH6W by neauoire@merveilles.town
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I just realized, everyone who will come across this will just think it's lorem ipsum D:
(DIR) Post #B52DQdvwqM0WVSUqgK by andnull@social.nouveau.community
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@neauoire It will probably pattern match on Italian for the unfamiliar.
(DIR) Post #B52FRVNEM2Oi9jnRQW by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@cliffle Oh wow! E-prime, haven't thought about this in a while. Do you still have this around somewhere?So instead of is-odd? what did you use?
(DIR) Post #B52GCiwBk4X5plfBmi by azul@mar.archipielago.uno
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> I don't really know how I'd write multiset, so I am just leaning into the bag thing.@neauoire "multus coniunctus"?
(DIR) Post #B52GCjUZgE2RYPkeNk by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@azul the problem is that Peano would have hated that, he picked always super short words to mean things. I picked Fine for Done, based on on his book.
(DIR) Post #B52MHUab7DMiVTDnJQ by chorist@merveilles.town
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@neauoire Fun to create a sort of internal vocabulary for these things. An earlier version of one of my projects called a lot of things “templates” and then later those got sort of internally phased out, so now I have “trusses” everywhere and I don’t know if that’s really using the word correctly but it feels nice.
(DIR) Post #B52VgdYvn1hVABVTmq by xyhhx@merveilles.town
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@neauoire i don't understand what im looking at here but this whole thread is fascinating o.o
(DIR) Post #B52c3toW8JCjx3GxMm by h3rald@merveilles.town
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@neauoire As an Italian, this sounds pretty natural to me! 😊 I wasn't familiar with Latino Sine Flexione (or probably forgot) and I gotta say it is fascinating. It is amazing how removing inflections and conjugation makes Latin much simpler to understand. After all, Italian did a bit of this by removing *some* inflections in favor of adding more prepositions, but this is much easier than, say, reading the original Dante. Reading it also reminds me of medieval "ecclesiastical Latin", which was notoriously simpler for people to understand. And yes, I loved the "sacco" choice. It is still very much used in Italian (as "sack" typically, but also as an emphatic way to mean "a lot of" something). Much simpler (and fun!) than multiset. I could actually say I understood more about Rejoice by reading this than the original doc 😜 please do keep this up!
(DIR) Post #B52ihjenujI5l96kEa by oblomov@sociale.network
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@neauoire is that Peano's book written in Latino sine flexione?
(DIR) Post #B53MgTGPNKvonDeHcO by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@xyhhx I can try to explain if you like :)
(DIR) Post #B53MpUpUvG9EFvMhQ8 by muddle@infosec.exchange
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@neauoire Only just came across this stuff you're doing recently and it looks fascinating. I wonder how you implement bags in the background. Since you use the / operator to remove or replace things I was wondering if perhaps each bag is a bignum with entities inside the sets (sorry, bags) represented by distinct prime numbers, and the bag as a whole being the product of all members...It's an idea I toyed with a long time ago (for a different application) and I'd be delighted to find out that someone else might be using the same thing.Again, it's all just about seeing the / sign and jumping to (probably unwarranted) conclusions.
(DIR) Post #B53MpV7Zq2br9zp8bI by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@muddle in theory that's how it COULD work, but it's implemented in a 8-bit stack machine so I had to get creative.Internally, it looks more like tropical calculus.https://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norman/papers/NewMultisets5.pdfhere's the implementation source: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/etc/rejoice.tal.txt
(DIR) Post #B53Mxd0aOiU9wGQfg0 by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@h3rald I spent all of last night translating the docs into LSF, wanna have a look and tell me if you catch anything weird? Maybe Italian has some better words for stuff like .. draining, taking out, putting in. I struggled a bit with those.https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/gaude.html(very much a wip)
(DIR) Post #B53MzVW9DgenHk5Vya by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@oblomov yup : )
(DIR) Post #B53N1qHcz4COGhPSyW by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@autumnwinds gratias!
(DIR) Post #B53ar43mowjrAXgsC0 by xyhhx@merveilles.town
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@neauoire yaaa plz
(DIR) Post #B53bxomq6ZBNmTY288 by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@xyhhx There's this mathematician who decided to release his magnum opus in a language he's made up, that he felt better aligned with his sort of mathy framework for stuff, a bit like Polar releasing his book in Esperanto, but this is a language, that is partly(it's Latin..), of Peano's making.This mixture of application and conlang, is something I find extremely endearing.
(DIR) Post #B53cdybtyHcuPWXCzo by xyhhx@merveilles.town
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@neauoire i guess i'm most interested in the particulars of how he designed it for math specifically. maybe i should read the book 😅
(DIR) Post #B53ch62qmmrOKzcxIO by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@xyhhx it wasn't designed for math, but as an auxlang. So people of different latin descent languages could talk to each other.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_auxiliary_language
(DIR) Post #B53clbXJdy0TAH1j16 by xyhhx@merveilles.town
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@neauoire oooh i misunderstood!
(DIR) Post #B53o4PUpjPFaoy2GWG by h3rald@merveilles.town
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@neauoire I had a look, and I think it mostly makes sense. Certain things sound slightly off (e.g. I would have used "inserere" as infinitive for "insere"), and the things that throws me the most is that... I don't know if genders (which are kinda still present) are supposed to match or not. Reading about LSF I guess not, but I would write "lingua de programmatione concatenativA", for example. Also "decimal" should probably be "decimale"? You are matching "porta logica" which sounds right to me, but I am trying to find an authoritative text explaining the rules of LSF... they should be very clear, in theory. So far I found this which should be the original article describing it, but verbs especially seems conjugated "enough" (definitely more than English, for example): https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35803/pg35803-images.html
(DIR) Post #B53tiQRI91lv6EHMLw by neauoire@merveilles.town
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@h3rald Oh! concatenativa is a good one, I'll change it, same for decimale, that one's a typo X). I see a lot of -re removed in Formulario Mathematico so I went with that, whenever possible, I can't see it through Italian eyes, it does seem like the LsF docs conjugate things more than his own writing in Formulario.. Thanks for looking it over, if you see anything else, I'd love to hear.