Post B52FznLe24MRkTPC7M by technolyze@whinge.town
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(DIR) Post #B520QFxifafykwoJG4 by sathariel@princess.wedding
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I see anyone who believes in sin and expiation quite much as Farnese of Berserk. They'd be great if they leave that crippling belief, they'll find many advance and start to see the world as it is.
(DIR) Post #B521DrzW4FootHJB7A by sathariel@princess.wedding
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And this isn't against any religion or faith, this is specifically against the wicked idea of sin.
(DIR) Post #B521PaAc9S4Z5w5ICu by Loki@whinge.town
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@sathariel i think sin is real, i mean what else would you call the act of raping kids and eating them?? :Akarin_Shrug:
(DIR) Post #B521eActPBpkDQGdn6 by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@Loki something really fucked up and these guys are mad. But as you can see they are stupidly rich and probably will never face consequences from their wicked acts.
(DIR) Post #B5222JGIwwFxwsDEv2 by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@Loki but if you want to call that sin I don't have any problem.
(DIR) Post #B522RpgDYcytjMVGwi by Loki@whinge.town
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@sathariel weellll i was refering to the damn 1% buut some are just wicked regular people who sadly get away with it for whatever reason :Akarin_Shrug: im not religious but id definitely call it a sin, or the most immoral act
(DIR) Post #B522heWumTQtmahC8u by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @Loki what did you think I meant by sin lol. I dont believe in original sin, but everyone enters life with good and bad karma or else they wouldnt be reborn. to sin is to go against dharma and thus disturb rita. God has a perfect system of justice and one must live in harmony with the universe. of course sin can't touch a yogi but for others we are liable.
(DIR) Post #B522iaNLiCFBBifNHk by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@Loki yeah and I understand and I have nothing against feeling nauseated and condemn these acts as many other wicked things
(DIR) Post #B523rdVTXX7NSXLZ1E by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia I don't know most of the weird words you use and I think it's better to avoid using them and explaining in a more simple language. I don't think one expiates sins through suffering, that's ridiculous and counterproductive. Suffering is inherent to existence as joy. Purification is very real though, as karma, that I see as things stored from your existence and other existences that avoids you to act in concordance with God's will, and while there isn't place for conflict I won't call it justice, that's just a very human desire.
(DIR) Post #B524WdhlhvMZwmeH68 by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia I think there was a name for doing or action yoga, I don't remember the name. But that's the more effective imo.
(DIR) Post #B529dsD0gEjcjCWwOe by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel karma yoga is what youre thinking of, the path of action. deliberately self-inflicted suffering doesnt expiate anything, but suffering inflicted by the world burns up bad karma. thats how hell works! if people who are used to getting bad shit from the universe didnt get some reward for their suffering it wouldnt be a fair system.
(DIR) Post #B52AhjR1LMzOd1UHb6 by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia hell exists only for sadistic and masochistic desires
(DIR) Post #B52AochmlL7DmfcCVk by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel various hells exist appropriate to purify people of various sins but normally a bad birth on earth is enough
(DIR) Post #B52D4yAKwMw4sstMW0 by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia nothing is purified through suffering.
(DIR) Post #B52DFHqccNRUp4aedk by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel yeah we won't agree on this matter but thats okay
(DIR) Post #B52DJV1HaS3GpiaLzc by meowski@fluf.club
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@sathariel @georgia try fasting. it's very purifying.
(DIR) Post #B52Dkqxi76vahlxRtA by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@meowski @georgia I have my forms of purifying
(DIR) Post #B52DyK3bFamUhq8RUm by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia I know we'll agree later
(DIR) Post #B52E7Ym1u6C2xHK0A4 by technolyze@whinge.town
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@georgia @sathariel often suffering breeds suffering if we look at the real world, various "cycles of violence". Any way arent you into the whole intercessor idea, you can never truly pay for your wrongs unless you can admit you need the help of the intercessor.
(DIR) Post #B52E7YzV60y7d3cl9s by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@technolyze @sathariel I dont believe anyone needs an intercessor actually I think everyone can have a personal relationship with God on their own
(DIR) Post #B52EBc0DqBga7ytNdA by meowski@fluf.club
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@sathariel @georgia just saying fasting is both suffering and purifying
(DIR) Post #B52EPoT2IHcAqB8oiW by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@meowski @georgia as I said, I have my forms. Mostly it's the practice of martial arts and meditation.
(DIR) Post #B52F5Y5RaQUICS0WFU by technolyze@whinge.town
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@georgia @sathariel then what the fuck did jesus die for?
(DIR) Post #B52F5YEJ3TZodw9b3w by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@technolyze @sathariel I'm not a christian but I think jesus was one of many avataras sent and to be sent down to Earth to promote righteousness. He died for three reasons imo.1. so he could be resurrected, showing the triumph of God over natural forces like the burning bush, and showing believers that they too could conquer death (through bhakti yoga)2. to amplify his message of universal love by dying for his friends3. because it was Gods will to start a religion that promotes the bhava of God as savior / suffering servant, creating christianity which would lead many people to dharmic conduct and eventually to liberation
(DIR) Post #B52FznLe24MRkTPC7M by technolyze@whinge.town
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@georgia @sathariel i think its its just as likely he was just a freaky dude with a drug and sex cult
(DIR) Post #B52FznrC8lb9KKAOIK by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@technolyze @georgia untag me
(DIR) Post #B52H7ETHgfQZqp5aD2 by meowski@fluf.club
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@sathariel @georgia sure everyone's experience is different. many people find fasting purifying. t
(DIR) Post #B52HP1Qav9ewbtJVeS by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@meowski @georgia yeah I haven't tried it, so I have no opinion on it. But I think anything that shows you a sincere reflection of yourself may be useful for purification. Fasting also could show you two main things to purify: desire and fear (even when you know you won't starve I'm guessing fear is there)
(DIR) Post #B52HjYlsf253oY3z4C by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@technolyze @sathariel you know if you just want to be provocative there are better ways
(DIR) Post #B52HnRHkR4Avksop3g by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @technolyze you lesbian stinky cat
(DIR) Post #B52HuRrYgchBZcuY88 by meowski@fluf.club
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@sathariel @georgia i find it physically cleansing and helps get in control of desires. some people might experience fear if they've never tried it idk
(DIR) Post #B52IFjsEuvYrVzNjSC by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@meowski @sathariel lots of cultures and religions have found fasting and other forms of asceticism to be purifying but only sense control can permanently eliminate desire for the sense objects
(DIR) Post #B52INUqmerCNElOrSq by technolyze@whinge.town
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@georgia @sathariel i see you and your lot are talking down to others again, have fun, l8r
(DIR) Post #B52INV5JmopBxqCT7Q by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@technolyze @sathariel you say my lot and I really dont know who you mean. I also didnt mean to talk down to you I just dont appreciate being trolled
(DIR) Post #B52Iio4cNkBCwD23vc by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @meowski I think it's more than sense objects, but I lack of that experience. Shit now I wanna try it only for not being theorizing, I hate that lol.
(DIR) Post #B52IqRxwSgTwglYQKW by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @meowski when I say sense control I mean control of the sense faculties through yoga. a yogi can withdraw the senses like a tortoise its limbs
(DIR) Post #B52Ix8yJTmMfo5v51c by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @meowski what's the use of it?
(DIR) Post #B52J3ElcqSohWCtHjE by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @meowski without sensory distractions one can concentrate the mind and eventually becomes aware of pure consciousness
(DIR) Post #B52JCCNl585gjC04ie by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @meowski okay I see, it has one of the things I try, removing interference, but I also advocate for the other part (as I see it) higher integration.
(DIR) Post #B52JEkTZIEcR2xvwi8 by meowski@fluf.club
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@georgia @sathariel reducing and controlling desire for food is beneficial because much disease comes from poor food choices, and people spend a lot of time and energy stuffing their faces unnecessarily which takes away from more important things. it restores balance between energy input and output
(DIR) Post #B52JKD5WLDoLEYI1nE by sampler@freebeerextremist.com
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@georgia @meowski @sathariel And it's good to say that meditation doesn't require negating the senses, but our relationship to them becomes nullified when the mind is deeply, deeply concentrated
(DIR) Post #B52JOuzF4KI2Xdb8Xw by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sampler @meowski @sathariel yes one can control the senses by concentrating the mind deeply, but an accomplished yogi also learns to control the senses by controlling prana
(DIR) Post #B52JTAY59TQdxqvArg by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@sampler @meowski @georgia the state that I see as the best of meditation, at least for me, has on the contrary a very high awareness of senses.
(DIR) Post #B52JkP14cBCpl2hPKS by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@sampler @georgia @meowski but iirc in chinese alchemy there are trainings for both, the withdrawal and the enhance.
(DIR) Post #B52JwsDBtPCZmTJV2G by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @meowski @sampler that isnt dhyana. read patanjalis yoga sutras if youre curious about traditional meditation perhaps
(DIR) Post #B52K4MqwMshMq7TnPc by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @meowski @sampler nowadays I learn through doing, not through reading
(DIR) Post #B52KApDno4euYrFha4 by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @meowski @sampler but isn't dhyana the same as zen?
(DIR) Post #B52KW1e8o4U1B3gI40 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @meowski @sampler its debatable but I'd say where there is nibbana there must be dhyana
(DIR) Post #B52Kfd4z08Ubsbod0a by unmind@social.xenofem.me
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@georgia @meowski @sampler @sathariel zen comes from the japanese word for dhyana but i think zen means something different now
(DIR) Post #B52KjZvYf7WpGKI3pg by unmind@social.xenofem.me
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@georgia @meowski @sampler @sathariel like zen literally means dhyana but the way it's used is a little bit more nuanced
(DIR) Post #B52KkxUEYSlscUASBM by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@unmind @meowski @sampler @georgia yes that's why I was asking
(DIR) Post #B52L9UQbjMcdjhAXCK by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @meowski @sampler @unmind zen buddhism has a different approach to theravada or hindu yoga because they aim to reincarnate and while zen buddhism involves loss of ego they regain their ego for the benefit of all beings. is my understanding at least. zen sees no difference between samsara and nibbana and thus prefers samsara because while embodied you can help others discover their buddhahood.
(DIR) Post #B52LOYBK3dMVilCW2q by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @meowski @sampler @unmind if this true: based
(DIR) Post #B52LckNpUMFNcNoviK by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @meowski @sampler @unmind I mean the question is are you fully enlightened if you still reincarnate? I think in theory yes but from looking at the dalai lama, no. maybe zen is better than vajrayana though idk
(DIR) Post #B52MqccLG6tFXamwPg by sampler@freebeerextremist.com
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@sathariel @meowski @georgia You can be aware of your body and surroundings without being attached. There's a trend from sri lanka to say that all jhana / samadhi necessarily depends upon complete disconnect from the senses, like you go into a coma and no longer can perceive sound or touch, that's nonsense
(DIR) Post #B52MqcsIIneOL4FgHI by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sampler @meowski @sathariel youre correct the highest samadhi is sahaj samadhi in my understanding. patanjali describes the types of samadhi in his raja yoga sutras
(DIR) Post #B52XXva9chtaLv3O5I by sathariel@princess.wedding
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@georgia @meowski @sampler @unmind Enlightement or delusion?Who is to say which person has whichLike the evening moon they appear and fadeNot one knows exactly when.- Morihei Ueshiba
(DIR) Post #B52XtQcjPH0ChvVlfU by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@sathariel @meowski @sampler @unmind this seems wise but full enlightenment has telltale signs, not just extraordinary siddhis which are often obstacles to yoga but freedom from anger, fear, and attachment, indescribable bliss, and in many traditions omniscience or a degree of it.