Post B4ugh4M7iWIMUcFGnw by Kurt@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #B4QJFVkU9OeLecjUki by grote@chaos.social
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:* enable developer options* confirm that you are not tricked* restart phone and re-authenticate* wait one day* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever* confirm that you accept the risks* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with thishttps://goo.gle/advance-flow
(DIR) Post #B4QJFW6SpgEMkn130i by grote@chaos.social
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They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:
(DIR) Post #B4QO03jWWqqEC0jaee by lumi@snug.moe
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@grote what the fuck. none of this is at all acceptablelet people install whatever apps they want, without any fearmongeringit's supposed to be their device :neocat_angry:
(DIR) Post #B4QOQsaq3V1HSeSdV2 by lumi@snug.moe
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@grote the gall these corporations have to tell me my own device is not mine
(DIR) Post #B4QOjEhEcCJdE2CoSm by lispi314@udongein.xyz
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@lumi @grote Also, what if someone is guiding them, like say... a family member that is more familiar with technology?It's deliberately misleading.
(DIR) Post #B4QOjFjOlddmR2E3TU by lispi314@udongein.xyz
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@lumi @grote wtf 24 hours lag.
(DIR) Post #B4QOoqzheTrdS5WTZ2 by lumi@snug.moe
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@lispi314 @grote the most messed up thing is the attitude they have on this. that this big corporation can tell you what to do with your own deviceit's supposed to be yours. what the actual fuck
(DIR) Post #B4QQY7DSHoB6kT6MFc by nicholas@aklp.club
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You will own nothing....
(DIR) Post #B4QQfFsWThendpiOcy by hellomiakoda@pdx.social
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@lumi @grote This is why I put up with constant issues to carry a Linux phone.Microsoft and Google are the best at convincing me to be patient with #Linux.
(DIR) Post #B4QR04hrD7DP4bebjs by ryanprior@mastodon.social
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@lumi @grote wait, this sounds really good though. Blocks in place for bad actors, super impossible to do by accident, but ultimately still full freedom to install anything you want, with a convenient way to revert to a more restricted install mode after a week passes.This is _inconvenient_ for sure, but it seems designed to be asymmetrically more inconvenient for threat actors than for legit users. And we need serious meaningful friction to thwart scammers, domestic abusers, and them
(DIR) Post #B4QR05CLNlbMb9uxG4 by lumi@snug.moe
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@ryanprior @grote no, it is not good at all. this is not a solution to anything herea real solution is to harden the sandbox and vet the permissions. give more and more fine-grained control and inform the user about this. for even better security, have android distributions controlled by different communities, and let distro application packagers vet the permissions for the users, etc. there is a reason the distribution model for linux is so securenot "you can't install what we don't approve of unless you go through this procedure"google (and apple, or any other corporation) should have effectively zero control over what i can do nor make it harder for me to gain this control. they should not be able to make me wait or do anything. even bootloader unlocking should not require any verification or other bullshitthe solution is empowering the user and educating them. not making them go through stupid hurdles
(DIR) Post #B4QS1F4cFeErTCQ4tE by ryanprior@mastodon.social
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@lumi I agree with a lot of what you wrote but would differ on some things, are you interested in back-and-forth here?
(DIR) Post #B4QS1FEXekB7xz40MS by lumi@snug.moe
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@ryanprior sure
(DIR) Post #B4QjB0kW3ssDA2GJGq by tootbrute@fedi.arkadi.one
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@hellomiakoda @lumi @grote furiphone looking mighty good more
(DIR) Post #B4Qx7cDiCcNdZhC2W8 by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@grote or device PIN, thankfully; if it required biometrics I’d go up in anger
(DIR) Post #B4Raqt1YT8zQw15JKq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
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@grote@chaos.social Or you can just install a custom ROM such as LineageOS and not deal with all this bullshit
(DIR) Post #B4S0JOFwRMMAlHVCbY by sodiboo@gaysex.cloud
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@grote@chaos.social wait an entire day??? confirm that you only trust it for one week???holy fuck it's actually worse than iOS. I didn't think it could get worse than iOS
(DIR) Post #B4S0JOVBWgY9WYdNMe by luna@lea.pet
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@sodiboo@gaysex.cloud @grote@chaos.social no, iOS is still worse. Having to 1) have a computer 2) have the whole apple shebang with icloud and itunes installed on said computer 3) use some third party app to sideload the app on your iphone and 4) do this every week otherwise the app is no longer available and is marked as unverified, unless you pay apple monthly and ask please please please may i have my unofficial apps without having to reverify them every week.Google is getting close to being as shitty though!
(DIR) Post #B4S0JOhamYTU92RHhg by natty@astolfo.social
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@luna@lea.pet @sodiboo@gaysex.cloud @grote@chaos.social That feels more equivalent to the adb install command, I can't imagine doing that to install every APK aaaa
(DIR) Post #B4S4JtITQlx4qkBH4y by sodiboo@gaysex.cloud
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@natty@astolfo.social @grote@chaos.social @luna@lea.pet Yes. It is equivalent to that. iOS has no way to install an unsigned/unverified app. It has to be signed by the end user if the developer does not pay a fee. Android supports the same model now, OR installing unsigned apps only if you go through the horrible new flow.
(DIR) Post #B4T0vl6Q8lczmTIvlw by oldrup@mastodon.green
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@grote Mum gets scammed A LOT and solely from apps in the Google Play Store. Like Facebook. Sideloaded apps is the least of our problems.
(DIR) Post #B4T1Tm9Wk6FAspyguu by serk@neopaquita.es
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@groteOr switch to a degoogle os.
(DIR) Post #B4b4KcthdcPghRaIpk by LexYeen@plush.city
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@grote remember, kids: "sideloading" is just "installing software that isn't on the app store." the corpos are just calling it "sideloading" because it sounds shadier.
(DIR) Post #B4eId3CQZHSEJptzlI by serk@neopaquita.es
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@lumi@grote Yes, of course. But (as a hobby-geeky-thing) us as a edge case we should explore and be more edge to make path and become normal the old edge case. E.g. now grapheneOS will partner with Motorola. Or fairphone with murena.
(DIR) Post #B4k1kfU45pLCoKxSWe by cody@catboy.baby
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@grote@chaos.social What a fucking dumpsterfire, well I guess it's time to develop a RISC-V operating system for phones that is actually open source, and deploy open hardware infrastructure hosted by actual human beings and not FUCKING CORPORATIONS to support international communications with them. Though in fairness I guess if that even happened corporations would lobby to regulate against it so we'd be fucked anyway :nkothisisfine:Also idk how we'd do transatlantic shit... I hate the world.
(DIR) Post #B4ugh47EbsNxkRHNb6 by kanary@sharkey.world
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@grote@chaos.social on Grapheneos you've to do the following• Nothing#grapheneos #fuckgoogle
(DIR) Post #B4ugh4M7iWIMUcFGnw by Kurt@chaos.social
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@kanary @grote many usw grapheneOS with Google play. Let's see how they will do.