Post B4tdvwhPyKj24NeDjs by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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(DIR) Post #B4tR8JPM4KWiZPlVia by KitsuneofInari@mastodon.sakura-star.net
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Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!
(DIR) Post #B4tRApeJATBF8xxegS by lumi@snug.moe
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@KitsuneofInari @halla :neocat_heart:
(DIR) Post #B4tWDPq65HrpjeWig4 by Li@tech.lgbt
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@KitsuneofInari im not sure id say that understanding of code is a boolean function of just either fully understanding everything including any and all bugs that could ever arise, and not understanding it at all, but rather a variable level of some understanding,
(DIR) Post #B4tWDQ29MTVaL2ALSq by halla@kde.social
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@Li @KitsuneofInari So... Nobody can really understand code fully, not even the code they have written. Code has become too complex, and there is just too much of it!But if you have thought about what your were writing, if you have recorded your thinking in commit messages and comments. There is a chance you might have a recollection of having created that code when debugging it, ten years later.If you asked Claude to regexp-slop it for you, not chance.
(DIR) Post #B4tWDQFcYOHf0oT6Se by halla@kde.social
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@Li @KitsuneofInari Also, the fun part of writing software is thinking, coding, testing, seeing people use it...Doing code-review, not so much. That's what you do to help other people to level up.But with LLM-generated code, where are the people you want to mentor?But you still have to code-review the swill.
(DIR) Post #B4tWvREEHRh8mlo1fk by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@KitsuneofInari > that code will be unmaintainablewe'll have to see how it goes, ladybird seems to be doing well, and there's a lot of projects that use LLMs already and a number have had issues (seems small, like the vim stuff), but for the rest, it doesn't seem as catastrophic, if at all.
(DIR) Post #B4tY0TvVmBjsYW1H8K by pettanko@tsundere.love
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@sun @KitsuneofInari brb being creative with other humans *copy-pastes some code from stack overflow*
(DIR) Post #B4tZAojXN64Lw9uXdw by feld@friedcheese.us
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@pettanko @KitsuneofInari @sun every bug: ask them how much thought they put into it
(DIR) Post #B4tcDyWFkE111BtXBw by Arkana@poa.st
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@KitsuneofInari LLMs are good for automating tedious things you already understand, and for learning assistance. Not just dumping in code and letting it do whatever without checking itHowever that "burns up the planet and destroys the water" is total nonsense
(DIR) Post #B4tcDyl8qrvPlMrQOm by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world
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@Arkana @KitsuneofInari Always amazed at the people who don't understand the planetary water cycle, how lots of the world isn't bothered by water shortages (for the US, everyone one to two states west of the Mississippi), and here are fully on board with the needless except for control half century old energy poverty policy of our ruling trash.A lot of people feel threatened by LLM "AI," and environmentalist virtue signaling is an obvious way to enhance that with certain people. On the other hand, no one like him wants to deal with the AI slop he decries, and maintainers of big code bases are we hear with credibility getting or are afraid of getting crushed with "AI" generated bug reports.Some may also fear legit use of "AI" on the C/C++ code bases will find lots and lots of issues. ESR is right now using one to find everything from bad stuff to undefined behavior best stamped out if you have the time.
(DIR) Post #B4tcDz1RsEy8ZwURoe by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@ThatWouldBeTelling @Arkana @KitsuneofInari I'm always amazed at the people who don't understand the difference between seawater and fresh water.Always amazed at the people who don't understand that most of fresh water directly falls down into the oceans and only part of it on land.
(DIR) Post #B4tdvwRSvdxtGuBTsG by Arkana@poa.st
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Yeah there are many legitimate issues with AI code, but water isn't really one of them. I can guarantee everybody repeating that claim hasn't given it an ounce of actual thought as to how AI (and even datacenters) are causing any significant environmental damage over anything else we're doing computer related
(DIR) Post #B4tdvwhPyKj24NeDjs by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@Arkana @KitsuneofInari @ThatWouldBeTelling >but water isn't really one of themIt's a correct argument, but it's also a correct argument about silicon chips production in general.Aside fresh water being ultra purified for silicon production. They also take into account the fresh water used for energy consumption/generation, which is 60~80% of that amount.So in reality the argument falls under waste energy consumption, which all the JS/proprietary slopware and all the miniaturization nullification that software bloat caused etc... are categorized in.
(DIR) Post #B4th09Nf457GQA6Siu by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world
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@mangeurdenuage @Arkana @KitsuneofInari :cirnoHeh: "Aside fresh water being ultra purified for silicon production."Although I hear this isn't such a big thing anymore, especially for leading edge fabs. They recycle as much as they can, which is getting to be the vast majority by now. Otherwise TSMC probably wouldn't have picked Arizona to expand into the US, or Intel for its newest serious fabs (Ohio is iffy unless and until it can generate enough demand for its latest nodes and the money to build out shells).It's historically been a big thing, where a change in the fresh water was often cited as one way yields can suddenly go to hell. So with recycling, you're paying very close attention to every aspect of the water, what you put in it, how you take it out as needed, etc."They also take into account the fresh water used for energy consumption/generation"Pretty sure that water is not "harmed" to any significant extent, it's just warmed up. It'll change the local flora and fauna, which from my family's perspective in the middle of the country might just mean different types of tasty fish to catch.And it's often not fresh water, see for example the Russian VVER PWR at Bushehr in Iran that's been in the news. I guarantee it's sitting right on the Persian Gulf to dump its waste heat. Of course you can do this stupidly as Fukushima Daiichi didn't have a high enough tsunami wall, and put too much electrical stuff in basements (Japan's culture is incompatible with safe use of anything nuclear).For datacenters there's various ways to cool them, evaporative chillers can be cheap to operate but are hardly the only method. And again, not really a big deal where there's plenty of fresh water to go around.
(DIR) Post #B4th09ud5VUI4PWn6u by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@ThatWouldBeTelling @Arkana @KitsuneofInari >Pretty sure that water is not "harmed"Never said anything about being harmed.I'm saying there's a limit amount of it based on the rainfalls, that's mainly an issue based on the location imo.But as a side note, there's a reason why in France even tho they encourage people to harvest water they try to avoid a large amount of people doing all a once so as if half the population would do it all of a sudden a large amount of water would be missing to flow in the rivers compared to a progressive part of the population doing so.I doubt it would happen with nuclear powerplants.>and put too much electrical stuff in basements Well they were in violation of rule for their backup generator who was at sea level instead of being a few meters up.It's sad how all that disaster could have been avoided just with that.>not really a big deal where there's plenty of fresh water to go around.When there's enough. Depending on the context.
(DIR) Post #B4tiI45vYa6ZC2ulVY by shitpisscum@mrhands.horse
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@mischievoustomato @KitsuneofInari or it might end up like windows 11 that takes a whole second to render the fucking right click context menu lmao
(DIR) Post #B4tiI4K6hrRnu1Y5bs by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@shitpisscum @KitsuneofInari it can go either side, but i think engineers that know what they do will simply surpass those that are just "human only", imo
(DIR) Post #B4tidgjH6pmf67d6sS by snowyfox@deadinsi.de
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"Some may say, as long as the contributor understands the code it's fine, but that's a fallacy. No programmer really fully understands the code they are working with."
(DIR) Post #B4uDeOnGNOHWL8JXJQ by g1comics@equestria.social
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@KitsuneofInari I checked and here's the post ♥️ @halla https://krita-artists.org/t/policy-on-llm-code/178248/12
(DIR) Post #B4uZX2Th92VW5s3aU4 by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
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i've been mostly using LLMs for refactoring code based on existing code, i don't live within 5000 miles of a datacenter so them burning up the water is of no concern to me, tho if it actively damages some place like california or india then i will have to make more use of LLMs.
(DIR) Post #B4uaTbtnblrgkJCCmW by Goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital
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Nothing can damage India more than Indians.
(DIR) Post #B4xndmTwzsaRLKAJ6m by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@KitsuneofInari this is so good
(DIR) Post #B4xsvq3IxewdOo8ETY by meowski@fluf.club
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quaint sentiment but in a few years you won't even be able to tell who and what's human vs machine online