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 (DIR) Post #B4mncn6l2zByFvHmZU by Amikke@qoto.org
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       I've just realised two things:1. AI luddites are essentially vegans in both reasoning and attitude to life.2. I've seen *much* less vegan evangelism since the anti-AI evangelism started.Are they just the exact same people happy they can be mad about something else? Is the Venn diagram of vegans and AI luddites just a circle?
       
 (DIR) Post #B4mncnISLUY8qCl7o0 by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @Amikke i'm not sure you are using luddite correctly :cat_sad:
       
 (DIR) Post #B4moJFye6QBZxEjyym by Amikke@qoto.org
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       @icedquinn I think I am, I've seen the term "AI luddites" used many times and it describes them very well.
       
 (DIR) Post #B4moJGALOvXkXWDKDI by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @Amikke ludd being a general anti-tech sentiment was propaganda from the industrialists being criticized for using industrialization to centralize controli've rarely seen anyone recognize how much of a hazard normalizing "send everything to altman" actually is, they're always stuck on just "but the JOOOOBBBSSS" :senko_hm:
       
 (DIR) Post #B4mrPHpmPXQlJWA17w by Amikke@qoto.org
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       @icedquinn of course anyone wanting to use automation to centralise control will try to equate people against the former with people against the latter, as it makes them look ridiculous. Doesn't change the fact that in both cases the luddite movement is founded by workers whose jobs are getting automated crying that the entirety of society will benefit at the cost of them having to find a different job.
       
 (DIR) Post #B4mrPI1Ti2mvtndMMS by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @Amikke > society benefitsdebatable
       
 (DIR) Post #B4msDt46GFptGLzFTM by technolyze@whinge.town
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       @Amikke @icedquinn the largest criticism is for ai is actually that you people are idiots for trusting something proven to be maliciously deceptive and manipulative, as well as ushering in a surveillance state as these random tech CEOs are given political power and army ranks.
       
 (DIR) Post #B4msDtZIOGn0p6aA64 by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @technolyze @Amikke the surveilance state is coming regardless. randoms refuse to punish politicos for grabs.
       
 (DIR) Post #B4msSWBvaU1MfHco64 by Amikke@qoto.org
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       @icedquinn all automation of work is a major benefit to society. If anyone manages to actually monopolise this automation then the consequences outweigh the positive effect of automation, but in the case of the original luddites this didn't happen and now an average person can have more than like 3 outfits total thanks to industrialised production of textiles. It's not looking like this time it's gonna go differently. But either way, luddites are the "muh jobs" people, not those rightfully worried about over-centralisation.
       
 (DIR) Post #B4msSWRWeUUvRevGPQ by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @Amikke i think this is true in a medieval interdependence model where trade skills are actually fulfilling tribal needs and the work is sort of an undesirable frictionin the model where your value as a human is 'can you out compete other scrubs for the oppotunity to make a billionaire more money' the loss of labor ends up being something of a negativethis does mean most of the anti ai discourse is just "i hate capitalism" but for some reason they can't see it
       
 (DIR) Post #B4msjOgwiyLcKOBLfM by Amikke@qoto.org
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       @technolyze damn, I didn't get the memo that if I support the technology I also have to be an idiot giving everything away to random tech CEOs. Was it passed along with the memo that all open source models and all AI companies other than the big bad ones suddenly disappeared overnight and are impossible to bring back?@icedquinn
       
 (DIR) Post #B4msjOrw478csTK7nM by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @Amikke @technolyze i do think the "its too expensive to run yourself, better pay us a vig" is somewhat encouraged as a market modelthere's a lot of work on mixed precision training or neuromorphic models that kind of gets conveniently pushed aside because the current regime makes nvidia money