Post B4hekDVfPiT4mxbT28 by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #B4hIqN3qcKMp9p7Wj2 by sun@shitposter.world
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Suddenly after age verification dropped in SystemD, computer progs can magically see how changes get rammed down their throat. not a chud conspiracy theory anymore is it, assholes.
(DIR) Post #B4hJQkf2LozqmArZGS by nyx@social.xenofem.me
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@sun I've been saying for like five years at this point that Linux has been subverted by corporate interests where lots of different people and organizations that the end user has no practical way of vetting or opting out of or in general having any say in has captured the OS. up until now it's seemed benign to most people but this tactic of maliciously contributing to the technical development of software is a thing that SV companies have already successfully used to subvert the web (esp Google) and it's been obvious to me that they were going to start doing the same thing to Linux more openly than just contributing shit like systemd that only nerds care about
(DIR) Post #B4hMuNkGPnnsFp80zg by feld@friedcheese.us
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@sun soon:"we had a production outage because the systemd timer user didn't have a +18 age set so it was denied access to an API and that started a crash loop which led to cascading failures as data went stale"
(DIR) Post #B4hMwoIqe2axCWSkj2 by whiteline@shitposter.world
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@nyx @sun at this point it's been like 15 years
(DIR) Post #B4hMwohf9mRcRU4ZP6 by nyx@social.xenofem.me
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@whiteline @sun yeah this is a process that has been underway for a long time
(DIR) Post #B4hN2rbFIh87AAxExs by condret@fedi.absturztau.be
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@sun What really pisses me of is the amount of people in deciding positions who just comply without even acting up a bit
(DIR) Post #B4hVh7GbGlzkyD0DlQ by Ree@shitposter.world
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@nyx @sun I missed when foss was just bunch of nerds and weirdos that wouldn't want corpos and the government to diddle them. But now they enjoy that
(DIR) Post #B4hVh7htdHpUKrm1JI by nyx@social.xenofem.me
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@Ree @sun the problem is that FOSS has never had any serious political commitments that could have prepared it to resist shit like this. computer touchers only think in terms of the technical merits of something without thinking in terms of the bigger picture of what the political implications are of letting corporate interests have more of an influence over projects by allowing them to contribute code, and the only thing that FOSS added to this was using licenses that these corporations will ignore anyways if they care to since they have far more resources than the FSF to win in court cases.
(DIR) Post #B4hVh85eCypPWWszKa by mia@shrimptest.0x0.st
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@nyx @sun @Ree i’ve been saying this toomany foss people are highly intelligent but they have zero street smarts and will give their free labor to corporations that will use it against themjust look at the AGPLv3 open core playbook that works literally every time: promise “free software forever”, wait for fossbros to build your entire product, wait until you have enough captive users, then gradually move features to paid SaaS until the “free” part is nothing but a useless skeleton. exact same thing also worked for androidwhat matters isn’t the license, what matters is whether it is free software by and for the community, or a commercial product in disguise.never ever contribute to the latter. do not even report bugs.
(DIR) Post #B4hd2JOY4VN6LTm4Lg by Ree@shitposter.world
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@sun I don't know how I feel about it but foss nerds getting dicked again by corpos won't surprised me
(DIR) Post #B4hd2ecn8kF6BjbExs by Ree@shitposter.world
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@sun and they probably enjoy getting tracked even more by Google,meta, Microsoft and apple. Because they could do nothing wrong right? Lol
(DIR) Post #B4hdH505s8562tNTP6 by Ree@shitposter.world
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@nyx @sun yeah because because stuff like free software vs open source it's always about who has better software. Not about what if the government clapped down on us.
(DIR) Post #B4hdHFj7zY2vJSWZzE by Ree@shitposter.world
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@nyx @sun it's been 13 years I touched Linux I just don't like the idea of needing to give out my age to use my own computer I paid for but we own nothing I guess
(DIR) Post #B4hdHaNZCuHFMfb9nM by CapitalB@noauthority.social
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@nyx @Ree @sun >licensesWhat government gives, government can take away. Culture before law, always.
(DIR) Post #B4hdK2ksg1F3wzfvEm by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
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@sun if anybody is surprised about le soystemd getting the age verification committhen they clearly havent realized that 99% of the linux commiter emails are corporate addresses
(DIR) Post #B4hdKrjD9zD42aHoDQ by laxorr3@blob.cat
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@condret @sun silver or lead
(DIR) Post #B4hdLHsfvQEF9SujZo by condret@fedi.absturztau.be
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@laxorr3 @sun poetterin could have simply not merged this shit and be unaffected by it or at least waited until next year. But no, he thought it would be a good decision to comply in advance.
(DIR) Post #B4hdLsVvix1GldYalE by laxorr3@blob.cat
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@condret @sun what makes you think he isn't on the establishment payroll? He can't wait until next year digital ID has to happen now.
(DIR) Post #B4hdMSw4JFJnj83yV6 by condret@fedi.absturztau.be
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@laxorr3 @sun he is german, those of us who do comply with evil shit do it for free.
(DIR) Post #B4heTnx6fTXUtGc0TA by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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jeff, your thoughts on this guy being right again about linux having a vulnerability to fags and academia?
(DIR) Post #B4hekDVfPiT4mxbT28 by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD and OpenSSH. Figured you'd recognize your fellow canadian free software guy.
(DIR) Post #B4hj05hMcieN0otobQ by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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Being in Calgary, having a project that uses a fair amount of bandwidth, kinda makes sense to have an exchange too?
(DIR) Post #B4hj6NXxB2r06ZUo52 by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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fair. he's ranted a lot about the tolerance in linux for non-free drivers, or inclusion of code that is based on acedemic solutions or politically motivated rather than a streamlined practical solution. The "less is more" approach with things like pledge and privsep where as linux has gotten bogged down with monoliths such as systemd.
(DIR) Post #B4hj9SuDhz9bawNmnw by lolitechengineer@loli.church
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@jeffcliff@shitposter.world @nyx@social.xenofem.me @Ree@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world as far as i know, none of the actually free distributions of the GNU operating system have implemented this anti-feature or intend to do so. https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
(DIR) Post #B4hjN4xxVpdPOwcgoC by lolitechengineer@loli.church
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@DemonSixOne@poa.st yeah, its a good thing OpenBSD would never do this.by the way, can you tell me what this code does?
(DIR) Post #B4hjN59Ipehzy7vkUS by lolitechengineer@loli.church
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@DemonSixOne@poa.st the fourth clause is how you know its libre and non-proprietary softwarealso im so sicc of soapbox users untagging everyone. please use https://pl.poa.st poa.st user. your default frontend is a nuisance to others.@jeffcliff@shitposter.world @Ree@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @nyx@nyx@social.xenofem.me
(DIR) Post #B4hjVDh4wlC6mpbq6q by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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I don't see them on a list of the peers there. https://yycix.ca/peers.html
(DIR) Post #B4hk5owRwAgojZFeaG by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
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@theorytoe @sun that poettering was a microsoft employee should be the final thing anyone needs to know about systemd
(DIR) Post #B4hl4Hg6E2CXEVR25g by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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I don't know much about the place. the only city i've been to in alberta has been edmonton and all i remember about it was it being like -8 degrees and feeling very cold.
(DIR) Post #B4hmLQqNV54oXMz1sG by Herman_Hetherington@poa.st
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Not sure about the others, but PureOS uses systemd
(DIR) Post #B4hmLR1MqDrp5S7o0G by Ree@shitposter.world
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@Herman_Hetherington @lolitechengineer @jeffcliff @sun @nyx systemd more like system dick
(DIR) Post #B4hmLRCiA2wPedQrgW by lolitechengineer@loli.church
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@Ree@shitposter.world @Herman_Hetherington@poa.st @jeffcliff@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world @nyx@social.xenofem.me I prefer to have my demons wrangled by a GNU Shepherd.
(DIR) Post #B4hmLRK9iMtc1iuoHw by Ree@shitposter.world
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@lolitechengineer @nyx @Herman_Hetherington @sun @jeffcliff okay sips
(DIR) Post #B4hmkrhilsB55C3sp6 by DemonSixOne@poa.st
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I'll have to look into it someday if i happen to be in that area. you're right about edmonton except my impression of it was a colder and windier version of northwest texas, a lot of stuff was aligned with truck transport and oil industry
(DIR) Post #B4hoRzWleyIVkj4Afw by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
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@sun Isn't it literally just a DoB field added to the user DB? That's not "age verification" it's just a metadata field about a user account. Unless they did more than that, I think this whole thing is just another case of humans showing their swarm stupidity by spreading panic and anger over a nothingburger.Assuming it's just a DoB field: There's many sensible ways to make use of that in such a way that the adult owner of the computer retains full control and any user of the computer retains privacy. The crucial point is that the metadata fields about users are under admin control.I'm not pro systemd but I'm anti being so anti against something that one sees problems where there are none.
(DIR) Post #B4hoS00XsG7JF4zx5c by sun@shitposter.world
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@taylan I actually don't think it's that big of a deal but it followed the exact same pattern of "this is happening whether you like it or not"
(DIR) Post #B4hpBTIlo4hB7wCoN6 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@sun @taylan the developers control the software after all
(DIR) Post #B4hqdHKO1EOe3LmivI by nyx@social.xenofem.me
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@mia @sun @Ree I think of this as being an instance of a much broader societal problem of people not being proactive about organizing themselves, or taking it very seriously in general, and viewing such questions as being inconvenient politics that no one wants to deal with. there is a prevailing individualistic mentality that formed the foundations of the early F/OSS movement(s) where everyone is simply making software for themselves and releasing it out into the world if anyone else finds it useful, which in such a context where everyone knows how to program and is engaged with the software on that basis is all well and good, but that's no longer the world we live in.I don't think it's any better to foist the responsibility of organizing onto a bunch of unpaid developers either though, and this is another broader problem of free software people seemingly not caring about or listening to their users very much but chasing after a hypothetical market share that can only be acquired by copying whatever corporate software looks like. there's been this ever widening gap between the users of the software and the people who write it, and increasingly many users have very little technical competence despite computers being far more ubiquitous than they were when Linux was first released.idk this is something I could only really elaborate on meaningfully in a whole blog post (evergreen nyx statement =w=)
(DIR) Post #B4hqdKV8Djm3tXpqaW by mia@shrimptest.0x0.st
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@nyx @sun @Ree yep that last part in particular is just making me angry.nobody really wants “pisscord but for nerds” or “twitter but blurple” or “windows but the desktop is a spinning cube”. those aren’t alternatives, they’re poor imitations of a thing that already sucks ass. “surely more people will consider free software if only they won’t have to get used to anything different” is such an unbelievably and obviously stupid take it might as well be a CIA psyopit’s like all foss is capable of is either corpo mimicry or technological regression, with very few exceptions
(DIR) Post #B4hqlxZuogULPJBioy by sun@shitposter.world
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@mia @nyx @Ree by the way, fluxer is agpl but makes you sign a CLA that lets the use your code in a closed source commercial offering lol, fuck off
(DIR) Post #B4hrRkoieWrBzX2d7I by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
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@sun The method is against everything that made me adopt free software and mimics the systemd force that kept me on gentoo way longer than I otherwise would have @taylan
(DIR) Post #B4hrRkyI4wVsTDWH2G by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@Leyonhjelm @taylan @sun free software doesn't really mean "every user's opinion matters". If you really care about being able to have software truly tailored to your needs or wants, you use a source based distro like Gentoo or Nixos. On both I have my own patches for some stuff I care about.
(DIR) Post #B4hrXTyECWOjTpDjiy by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@mia @nyx @sun @Ree I think a big reason too is economic
(DIR) Post #B4hsG1dUOWwOdKlArQ by nihilvt@loli.rodeo
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@sun@shitposter.world ageless linux is a thing too, but people are also trying to say CachyOS is forcing age verification when really all they said is they aren't dropping systemd and anything less than a boycott is compliance lmao the devs said "we don't operate in these areas so nothing is changing" but that's not good enough for people
(DIR) Post #B4hsG1yl7RxFhIiA0u by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
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cachyos could just build on top of artix instead of arch.
(DIR) Post #B4hsKFuvEuYs5GvnPM by Hoss@shitpost.cloud
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If it really is a nothingburger why are governments legally compelling developers to add it?
(DIR) Post #B4hsfLvW5iEAntGjvk by nihilvt@loli.rodeo
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@EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st which is my plan if they ever do age verification, I mean CachyOS repos are simple enough to add and you could easily turn Artix into a CachyOS system
(DIR) Post #B4hsfM7DODaLOAk5AG by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@nihilvt @EdBoatConnoisseur bluddy is gonna experience his first broken frankenstein linux moment
(DIR) Post #B4htu7xYP2ALmcpZxY by nihilvt@loli.rodeo
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st I wonder how dependent their packages are without systemd, because I really just wanted their gaming packages so my Wine works without much config
(DIR) Post #B4htu8NQqorl4swFIO by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
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i game on devuan and shit just works.
(DIR) Post #B4hzV9tEgj8uFuHwOm by nihilvt@loli.rodeo
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@EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st well I'm an Arch fanboy, but I might try Fedora since I heard it's doing pretty good and DaVinci Resolve just works
(DIR) Post #B4hzVA7logliyz5Y3M by EdBoatConnoisseur@poa.st
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so you wanna go from a distro that may add age verification to one that WILL add mandatory age verification.
(DIR) Post #B4iU2yXQOhp3WG7yT2 by jmw150@poa.st
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Yeah but not the GPLs. Gnu has been kike lead since the start. Richard Stallman in an autistic jew that got temporarily kicked over a pedo comment. FSF uses most of its foundation money for lawyers and their own pockets, not tech development. As a single user it should be open (bsd, mit license), stolen, or self made. FSF is an entry point, but software communism is inferior to software anarchy.
(DIR) Post #B4iUpGWCqlpXBUaHEu by jmw150@poa.st
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Using a BSD license is not a sufficient condition to become Apple. They are a derivative of Berkeley Unix. Maybe that is what confused you.
(DIR) Post #B4iWvKGm14yOSpNokS by jmw150@poa.st
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Okay how? I have not had to deal with Apple software for years personally. Seems my freedom is fine.
(DIR) Post #B4iX1ye4oSPtQPSFGq by jmw150@poa.st
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To blocks 2-4, I said most. We could both still be right. Just have to look into the legal cases themselves, how much they are protecting the FSF brand or developers. You could ask the other guy about that.
(DIR) Post #B4ia3i0VwZ3SGST0ds by jmw150@poa.st
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Like I said, I am for software anarchism not software communism. Idiots tend to suffer from idiot shaped problems. I am just here pointing out that they could, just, not.But you could have lead with the second one. That is an actual talking point. I am interested.