Post B4ebSXmgPdlH7TZ1gu by paul@notnull.space
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(DIR) Post #B4ebSXYVGMQ2PUvhaa by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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#KDE's #KRDC makes it stupid easy to set up a profile to use ssh tunnelling by default. That's really nice. Only downside is that it doesn't automatically re-connect when you resume from suspend.
(DIR) Post #B4ebSXmgPdlH7TZ1gu by paul@notnull.space
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@rl_dane but that's what autossh is for!Do one thing and do it well - Unix đź‘ŤDo all the things! - KDE and Gnome and systemd too probably. đź‘Ž
(DIR) Post #B4ebSY0rYv6VpSCLnE by thedoctor@polymaths.social
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@paul @rl_dane Is "provide a good UI for users to use their computer" not one thing?
(DIR) Post #B4ebSYDGon1qRw0G8G by sotolf@polymaths.social
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@thedoctor @paul @rl_dane Well, I don't know if it is my personal deficiencies, but I find it easier to do it in text, it's clearer, easier to find, and I can do troubleshooting easier because I can see the logs when something didn't go the way I wanted them to.
(DIR) Post #B4ebSYQ23LEl5VyS1Y by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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@sotolf @thedoctor @paulThis is why I wish Jef Raskin had won at Apple, instead of Steve Jobs.Steve gave us a user-friendly computer with limited utility.Jef would've given us a slightly less user-friendly paradigm (text-based OS) that would have been much more empowering.An entire generation raised on Jef's ideas would have been far more competent at using computers than the generation raised on the GUI.
(DIR) Post #B4ebSYdVFG0plIHD1M by sotolf@polymaths.social
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@rl_dane @thedoctor @paul yeah I never grew up in the ui world, starting out with dos computers, uis is something that belong in programs and games to me, the os doesn't really need it, but of course that's my bias as someone that just works there.
(DIR) Post #B4ebSYnmd2EgHB5Q2q by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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@sotolf @thedoctor @paulI actually wish CLI/TUI Unix programs would learn some lessons from the DOS programs of yore.I find stuff like Lotus 1-2-3 way more intuitive than (neo)?vim.Something that the DOS world successfully borrowed from the Macintosh world is a semi-standardized set of keybinds and interaction paradigms.In the Unix world, you have vi-style, emacs-ish-style, and nearly every program requires memorizing custom keystrokes, unless the program itself is very customizable.cc: @mirabilos
(DIR) Post #B4ebWZbJbHDJucATgG by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@rl_dane @paul @sotolf @thedoctor yes!(Which is why I stick to Wordstar keybindings for the editor and "Emacs" for the shell, and stick with pine/alpine as MUA having learnt its bindings in the late 1990s (but I refuse to even consider pico))
(DIR) Post #B4ecGwvbCciJa4llwm by sotolf@polymaths.social
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@mirabilos @rl_dane @paul @thedoctor Yeah, for some reason being a vim user for over 15 years I still prefer emacs for the shell, I'm used to it, and it's the standard, I try to be as comfortable with vanilla tools as possible since I have to work on different servers all the time, and can't or won't bother with importing all my dotfiles everywhere and install tools that I'd rather use.
(DIR) Post #B4ecGxBCGdBsMS4EG8 by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@paul @rl_dane @sotolf @thedoctor yeah, that, except I also maintain the upstream of some of these standard tools ;)(I’m good with ed, too, though, and can find my way out of vi.)
(DIR) Post #B4elyGzDOvuzpXC5ce by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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@sotolf @mirabilos @paul @thedoctorUsing HP-UX 20+ years ago forced me to love set -o vi, as emacs mode wasn't an option in that old version of ksh. ;)I still use vi mode to this day. I barely know the emacs mode keybinds. XDAlso, that old ksh required you to use a double-escape-key-press to trigger completion, rather than tab. That was really annoying. XD
(DIR) Post #B4elyHE6VZpOZi9ypU by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@rl_dane @sotolf @paul @thedoctor mksh worked on HP-UX 20+ years ago, FWIW
(DIR) Post #B4eqkK9pJVctNkKEyW by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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@mirabilos @paul @sotolf @thedoctorpico was my first unix editor. It took me 8 more years to finally learn vi properly, although I was only using Unix regularly for maybe two of those years.Thank goodness for easily accessible Unix OSes these days! :D(I mean, Linux, and a little later FreeBSD were available for all of those years, but not as well known, and hardware itself wasn't nearly as accessible as it is today (nor the OSes as capable to run on off-the-shelf hardware))
(DIR) Post #B4eqkKLWc0z3y1naD2 by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@paul @rl_dane @sotolf @thedoctor ugh, pico and its clone GNU nano are just eurgh. No.I had mcedit and indeed mediæval versions of joe/jstar very eary on GNU/Linux.
(DIR) Post #B4er3NZArcdDSMGewq by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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@mirabilos @sotolf @paul @thedoctorEven if I had known of it at the time, I wouldn't have tried to install it on 100 servers. XDAlthough, I must terrifyingly admit that I later developed a script that could touch all servers and run commands on them simultaneously... and I was an infosec guy.Plumbers have the worst pipes. XD
(DIR) Post #B4er3NjSFOr3yF4ryK by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@sotolf @thedoctor @rl_dane @paul I was never fond of scripting that, but I do find using clusterssh to do that interactively on a dozen or so servers at a time delightful. Allows you to react, or even just account for differences.That’s why I also dislike ANSI-Bell that much.
(DIR) Post #B4f5Ei6AGUf7gAzoMi by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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@mirabilos @sotolf @thedoctor @paulIn this case, it was an abomination using ksh, expect, and a certain vendor's security product for privilege escalation. XD
(DIR) Post #B4f5EiJdSPRCLxIZMW by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@rl_dane @sotolf @thedoctor @paul haha