Post B4RQjUTEMT1TDLreRE by pid_eins@mastodon.social
(DIR) More posts by pid_eins@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #B4RPc4ClWAUTlv3jEG by cas@social.treehouse.systems
0 likes, 1 repeats
people on reddit are doing a whole lot of yapping about age verification in LinuxI would generally agree that the whole approach of these laws is total dogshit and clearly a wedge issue to enable stricter surveillance laws in the futureat the same time though, the actual implementation and potentially having a portal which exposes the users age bracket seems totally reasonable as a way to implement parental controls... I'm also not totally against holding service providers to higher standards for data processing when it comes to minors, and hey if they're doing that why shouldn't adults get the same treatment?what im totally miffed about though is why the fuck would you get mad at systemd for adding a birthDate field to userdb, what would you have them do? Would you rather every desktop environment had its own way to store this data??An XDG portal for this also means you can *trivially* write a stub that always identifies you as an adult or even lets you pick per-app (heck maybe per website! that might be the new cursed way of avoiding trackers under late stage capitalism)and yeah it sure would be shit if we get real-id laws in a few years, but systemd or XDG standing on "principle" and refusing to implement this API is absolutely not going to lead to better outcomes for anyone. The last thing we want is for users in certain regions to wind up relying on implementations maintained by distros or random individuals, if we need to have this crap the least we could ask is that it's maintained by established and trusted people in the open source community!
(DIR) Post #B4RPc4SiYrFcZOWT5s by navi@social.vlhl.dev
1 likes, 0 repeats
@cas > what would you have them do? Would you rather every desktop environment had its own way to store this data??I'd rather they, and everyone, waits longersystem76 is trying to get US politicians to open exceptions for foss, laws in multiple states are contradictory, and I'm brasil there's lots of people trying to change that law as they see how bad it iscodifying an api for it now feels so premature and somewhat dangerous, bc what if what they implement is then not allowed in some other state or country?
(DIR) Post #B4RQjTpWk5GPEDHwYK by pid_eins@mastodon.social
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas i am waiting for the moment when these folks who partake in this misguided shitstorm learn about the kind of PII the good old GECOS field on Linux/UNIX carries...And once people are over that the next shock waits for them! There's a file in /etc/ that contains a hash (i.e. a unique identifier!) of your most personal, private, secret data: your password. And linux systems even kinda insist on you on providing that on first install! Can you believe that?
(DIR) Post #B4RQjU5Tmm1Y1gkgPw by pid_eins@mastodon.social
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas It's as if UNIX carries AN ENTIRE DATABASE of PII in /etc/ without any consideration for user's privacy! Unbelievable!I think we all need to *demand* from Kernighan and Ritchie to immediately drop /etc/passwd and related files from UNIX, and stop helping the government with collecting this kind of data. It's really appalling that no one has called them out on this yet! The shock! The horror!
(DIR) Post #B4RQjUKis6DWmxsrB2 by fence@xyzzy.link
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pid_eins @cas the ones that yap about it have no idea who those 2 people are I belive
(DIR) Post #B4RQjUTEMT1TDLreRE by pid_eins@mastodon.social
0 likes, 1 repeats
@cas i never trusted these people in the first place and boy was I right. I'll now move one of my machines to CrazyOS because it stores no PII at all. That will hurt Kernighan and Ritchie, Ha! CrazyOS will not store *any* PII, it's so good! It doesnt have a password (MS-DOS back in the day already had that, and it should be common sense), you just are let in right away. It's kinda annoying though that it has no $HOME to store data in, but of course that's cool, because that would be PII...
(DIR) Post #B4RQjVR8liweD9tUoq by pid_eins@mastodon.social
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas right after installing CrazyOS I'll make a video of it and put it on TikTok, YouTube and Instagram of course (I really dig their services, I have accounts everywhere, ha!). Hey, did you hear the web folks have cookies! 🍪 Yummy! So good!
(DIR) Post #B4RagC5BGmwmrGgLRI by fiore@brain.worm.pink
1 likes, 0 repeats
dude is maldingRE: https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins/116259760911455850
(DIR) Post #B4Ran2VPH7rJBODHBQ by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas I would ask why providers should make it easier to implement parental controls, given what those are so often used to do (namely, horrifying shit?)
(DIR) Post #B4Ran2pc401QC3fPg8 by jane@smolhaj.social
0 likes, 0 repeats
@freya your argument sound like an ad hominem.one can also implement parental controls to be not creepy; without it turning into an audit of the child's every activity or doing gps tracking. reasonable parenting is working on limits in cooperation/input of the child.new features i didn't expect and am happly suprised about this release in gnome: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2026/01/gnome-50-will-support-bedtime-daily-screen-time-parental-controls/amp/ @cas
(DIR) Post #B4Ran36H43Lj1jSieG by cas@social.treehouse.systems
0 likes, 0 repeats
@jane @freya agreed, this was basically the point i was trying to get to. parental controls in Linux are absolutely a good feature to have, and the GNOME community have earnt a lot of respect from me for implementing this functionality. The ability to impose restrictions on non-sudo users (particularly children) is NOT a restriction of freedoms, I'd argue it's the opposite.Knowing you can give your kids a device running a FOSS OS while being able to ensure they aren't accessing software they shouldn't is a good thing, give them the freedom to enjoy tech without looking over their shoulder
(DIR) Post #B4Ran3ME6k6rpCvSVs by navi@social.vlhl.dev
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas @jane @freya I mentioned here here:https://social.vlhl.dev/notice/B4PU0aMRZdCXV8QAJkbut tl:dr I believe that a child young enough to need parental controls should not be left alone unsupervised w/ an internet device, and that teenagers should have already learnt discretion and have built a trust relationship with their parentsin a good world then, parental controls would just be guardrails for the former, but in the world we live in, i fear how much abuse, well, abusive parents might cause on the latter by forcing parental controls on their devices
(DIR) Post #B4Ran3YzLIJmSmtePA by jane@smolhaj.social
0 likes, 0 repeats
@navi @freya @cas a trust relationship is exactly the thing i am arguing for, i'm not sure how much you dealt with actual parenting and supervising children.you're arguing against a cptsd survior, i had very a abusive parents. the reality is that we as a foss community should enable healthy foss tools, because the stalkerware will get developed anyway due to money incentives. and it will not rely on any age bracket stuff as the primary usecase for stalkerware is stalking partners.
(DIR) Post #B4Ran3m6YWoH7T27qi by navi@social.vlhl.dev
1 likes, 0 repeats
@jane @freya @cas i speak out of the self experience i mentioned above, out of the need growing up of watching over my small brother, and out of the personal experience shared with me by friends while growing, who did have the parental controls in apple devices used against them, and that's all
(DIR) Post #B4Rbo51nTxpjFXQKEi by kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
0 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore lennart please get a social media manager people already dislike systemd enough. the top post was already a quite reasonable argument you don't need to prove them wrong
(DIR) Post #B4Rbo5Dql9TTqv3x1U by fiore@brain.worm.pink
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kopper systemd is deprecated , reason : nobody likes lennart
(DIR) Post #B4ReOeMvlMpDBssGmG by q66@gts.q66.moe
1 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore woah this poettering guy is kind of an ass
(DIR) Post #B4ReSgfh8yNdUTZmjY by fiore@brain.worm.pink
0 likes, 0 repeats
@q66 and not a nice one at that ..
(DIR) Post #B4RefozLX5lR391yNM by fiore@brain.worm.pink
0 likes, 0 repeats
RE: https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins/116259778509064583
(DIR) Post #B4Rf85mAi7pNDvLhia by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas@social.treehouse.systems The last thing we want is for users in certain regions to wind up relying on implementations maintained by distros or random individualsWhat makes systemd better than distros or random individuals? It's all random individuals to me, including systemd.
(DIR) Post #B4RfEImrFU8XJXdBjs by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
1 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore@brain.worm.pink First time seeing Poettering?
(DIR) Post #B4RhAvGsQJRhQ9Bkjg by reia@linfan.moe
0 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore biggest missing the point award of the century
(DIR) Post #B4RhAvSDk8WHzKUoPw by fiore@brain.worm.pink
0 likes, 0 repeats
@reia whaa ? i did see the sarcasm , but him being sarcastic abt this is still giving off malding vibes hahaha
(DIR) Post #B4RhTpT8Djd8vXw5YG by reia@linfan.moe
0 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore ?!?! the first post was about poetterings posts . but you now also get a missing the point award for this reply :D
(DIR) Post #B4RhTpgbPePDbKEqY4 by fiore@brain.worm.pink
0 likes, 0 repeats
@reia what did it mean then ? sory weeehh
(DIR) Post #B4RizrVsFtuMUK3bEW by jane@smolhaj.social
0 likes, 0 repeats
@navi so your arguing against a specific implementation? memories while growing up are heavily skewed, that was a really though thing to learn for me while taking care of a kid for a year. there were even moments were it made sense to lie or heavily skew the truth, a thing i couldn't have imagined before.
(DIR) Post #B4Rizrk3PBFbCIgvKq by navi@social.vlhl.dev
0 likes, 0 repeats
@jane i argue against specific features, that are often included in "parental control"so far the only thing people convinced me could be okay, is screen timeout timerswhat i get worried is, for a teenager, making it easy to allowlist-only or blocklist websites and content types, and making it easy to track everything they do with their devicessure, there is other ways of doings those things, but the easier those tools are to enable and use, the more i saw them get abused
(DIR) Post #B4RizryEYSapuHKFRA by jane@smolhaj.social
1 likes, 0 repeats
@navi you should be arguing against technology being sold as a substitution for teaching and parenting. of course big tech with its "ask me later" doesn't teach consent.this is isn't a technological problem, this is a societal problem and tolerating abusive parents. not asking children in school what they face at home, how they are allowed to use technology. only since the year 2000 have children the right for nonviolent parenting in germany.
(DIR) Post #B4RjkudsRIXXnrEgBk by karebu@social.karebu.gay
1 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore grown ass 45 year old man by the way
(DIR) Post #B4RmFn4oojQnDzgmH2 by reia@linfan.moe
1 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore well it feels poettering kinda isnt really getting what the actual concerns about the handling of this situation are, starting at completely unrelated, less-sensitive fields of "PII" going on to not even talk about actual PII anymore, in a discussion which isnt even about what information is stored, but blind legal compliance which is questionable whether needed, and open arms to potential future discriminatory laws
(DIR) Post #B4RmI8YbvMQ0QNk7LE by fiore@brain.worm.pink
0 likes, 0 repeats
@reia ohh he is the one not getting the point in r eias post . omg im a silly
(DIR) Post #B4RnVIw8kE88KoahzE by reia@linfan.moe
0 likes, 0 repeats
@fiore is becoming a little stupid part of your abusive lesbian attraction scheme .....
(DIR) Post #B4RnVJ8tymL2yOYtsW by fiore@brain.worm.pink
0 likes, 0 repeats
@reia might be…
(DIR) Post #B4SHdsPvi5b1JiWq4O by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas tbh this whole thing is just reactionary ragebait.
(DIR) Post #B4SI2PdfqPLFInenA0 by mousey@mastodon.seattlematrix.org
0 likes, 0 repeats
@ariadne @cas They mean *this* systemd, right?https://cosocial.ca/@mhoye/116257858607703062
(DIR) Post #B4SIDZlOXegxt8ajGi by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas @mousey thank you for proving my point
(DIR) Post #B4SIGmwbzYuHdYMzse by mousey@mastodon.seattlematrix.org
0 likes, 0 repeats
@ariadne @cas Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll stfu! ^_^
(DIR) Post #B4SMXlTF7kEro1z1WK by bluca@fosstodon.org
0 likes, 0 repeats
@ariadne @cas Danielle from ElementaryOS called these whingemongers "MAGA/Linux" and well, it cannot be unseen now
(DIR) Post #B4SNCE5a8n7G9DD3Tc by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas @bluca yes, that scans, considering the first place I saw this being discussed was lunduke
(DIR) Post #B4TdcrmwxEjHE9BBuC by kbruen@procial.tchncs.de
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cas@treehouse.systems And if I want to run a desktop environment on a system that uses openrc? Will that not work now because the DE depends on systemd for age verification?Fuck no, systemd should not add that, this is a wild take. Next up we'll have systemd-mousecursord so that not every DE has to draw the mouse cursor because that would be messy. :/
(DIR) Post #B4Tdcs65o42eBW8Tk8 by cas@social.treehouse.systems
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kbruen systemd added a birthDate field to their userdb lol, this isn't implemented at the level your seem to think it is.GNOME already hard depends on systemd for their newest releases, one of the GNOME devs published a nice blog post explaining exactly what functionality is needed which is missing from openrc/elogind.At the end of the day, systemd provides a whole lot of pretty important functionality for a production system, I would be over the moon if we actually got alternative implementations with API compatibility but nobody seems to actually want to put the work in.We announced that postmarketOS was switching to systemd by default over a year ago and laid out in intricate detail what we needed for openrc to be up to par and invited those who wanted alternatives to implement this stuff, so far very little progress has been made...in the meantime elogind continues to get more and more broken :/actually i wonder if systemd would be interested in providing a KMS console so we can finally get rid of CONFIG_VT and fbdev heh (kmscon is making good strides though)
(DIR) Post #B4TdcsVyFqk3TmF94y by navi@social.vlhl.dev
1 likes, 0 repeats
@cas @kbruen > I would be over the moon if we actually got alternative implementations with API compatibility but nobody seems to actually want to put the work in.https://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/gardenerdb.git/ > userdbhttps://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/gardenlock.git/ > tpm2 toolshttps://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/seedfiles.git/ > tmpfileshttps://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/stem.git/ > ukifyhttps://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/sysext.git/ https://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/sysupdate.git/https://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/sysuserd.git/( @rose is awesome)my problem with systemd APIs is that they're awfuli am working on a session manager, and power manager, that then combined with seatd, can provide the last bits missing from logindthen rose will make a login1 shim that uses all 3 (i were gonna do it but dbus is pain so i'm glad she's cool with doing it)
(DIR) Post #B4Thzvfb5ag9k4zchc by ilja@ilja.space
1 likes, 0 repeats
@cas > but systemd or XDG standing on "principle" and refusing to implement this API is absolutely not going to lead to better outcomes for anyoneenough backlash has certainly made laws change or go away, so this is really not an argument to make.