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(DIR) Post #B4LwEG1i2puT1cNnEG by postmarketOS@social.treehouse.systems
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New blog post introducing the WIP Duranium project (immutable postmarketOS), some of its major features, and explaining why some design decisions were made. :blobcatthink: > Either the new image works, or the system falls back to the previous one automatically. No partially-applied state. No debugging audio when you need to make a phone call and no fussing with a broken web browser when you just want to doomscroll cat photos. It also means developers can reproduce the exact state of a user's device, making it much easier to track down and fix issues.https://postmarketos.org/blog/2026/03/17/introducing-duranium/#linuxmobile #postmarketos #duranium
(DIR) Post #B4gz5QT4EdA6z3omRs by erincandescent@erincandescent.net
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@dlatchx @jens @cas If your reason for not using systemd is that it contains code written by an LLM, surely you should also not be using the Linux kernel, which also contains LLM written code?Or is there a reason for the differing treatment of the two projects?
(DIR) Post #B4gz5QmZ48l3xWwLq4 by dlatchx@tfnux.org
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@erincandescent @jens @cas I pretty much agree withat the end of the day there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, it's a constant battle between harm reduction and moral principles, the pros did (and imo still very much do) outweigh the cons.But there's a significant difference between using a piece of software on your own machine and forcing it as a dependency on a project that has users
(DIR) Post #B4gz5R02G3X8dJF6ps by cas@social.treehouse.systems
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@dlatchx @erincandescent @jens are you referring to pmos or systemd? if you mean pmos:in what sense is producing and distributing a fully open source OS that you can use (with updates!) for free that you can just as easily replace with something else forcing software onto users? We go above and beyond to collaborate with other distros and make as many "mobile specific" components as possible distro-agnosticand you don't even need to use systemd with pmOS, you can still build images with openrc! (although i must admit i personally would prefer to get rid of this eventually since it comes with a lot of complexity and provides an almost universally less tested and functional experience)
(DIR) Post #B4gz5RCRVvSTFn31Au by navi@social.vlhl.dev
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@cas @dlatchx @erincandescent @jens > although i must admit i personally would prefer to get rid of this eventually since it comes with a lot of complexity and provides an almost universally less tested and functional experiencethat'd be a huge shame considering we're finally getting newer polyfills written for the missing things, specially for verifiable immutable images now w/ the gardenhouse tools
(DIR) Post #B4iKa9nkXhjsSywmBc by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@postmarketOS Ah, Duranium implies solidity, but it's based on AI slop.https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-260-rc3No thanks."Vibanium"
(DIR) Post #B4iKaAW3sxBUgPgAFs by cas@social.treehouse.systems
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@jens crazy take considering it's been less than 2 months since systemd started using AI for code review. Critique all you like but at least don't disrespect us by doing it in blatant bad faithwe switched to systemd over 18 months ago! if we wanted to avoid it we would be setting our progress back half a decade at least.at the end of the day there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, it's a constant battle between harm reduction and moral principles, the pros did (and imo still very much do) outweigh the cons. but by all means give us an alternative that meets your standards
(DIR) Post #B4iKaArgaYTvlTnQxc by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@cas My blatant bad faith is with AI slop, and I absolutely disagree: the only way this can be reversed is by mercilessly shaming everyone who uses it.Sorry it's you 🤷But it's not *my* choice to support AI slop, so don't try to turn this "bad faith" argument around. Putting AI slop into code is bad faith.
(DIR) Post #B4iKaB3Nt3q6LlGmC8 by cas@social.treehouse.systems
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@jens *we* have a strict anti-AI policy for our contributors. Why don't you go and shame Ubuntu or Fedora who are actively pursuing shipping AI features in their distro rather than focusing on us purely for using the same init system as every other mainstream distro?im on board with your anti-AI stance, it would have been nice if systemd had stayed away altogether, but what practical outcome do you want from us?https://docs.postmarketos.org/policies-and-processes/development/ai-policy.html
(DIR) Post #B4iKaBIyx4Jf88ZEVU by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@cas I shame everyone when there is an opportunity. Your answer reads like "sure I beat my wife, but that person there kicks his, too!"Doesn't really make anything better, does it?
(DIR) Post #B4iKaBJguQspAKtnc0 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@cas Here's a link to a fuller argument:https://social.finkhaeuser.de/@jens/116242753615998997
(DIR) Post #B4iKaBSYNTyLbp2sQS by neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
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@jens @cas It might be worth stepping away and simmering down a bit! I'm sure that your view has come across clearly.
(DIR) Post #B4iKaBjDNXIeRUqBOa by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@neil I believe it when I see a plan for moving away 🤷♂️Problem with projects like systemd and the Linux kernel is: they need *their dependencies* to move away to change.So every response about "what do YOU do wrong", or "how about THAT project" boils down to: they won't give two shits about what I write here.The only people who might are people who *care*. And, @cas , please believe me when I say: that's why I bother replying to *this* thread.I recognize that, and wish all the best...
(DIR) Post #B4iKaBuug2ep1mJWd6 by cas@social.treehouse.systems
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@jens @neil if i truly thought dropping systemd would be a net positive i would advocate for it in a heartbeat. I think we assign different values to things (as a matter of bias, perspective, etc) and we probably aren't going to overcome that. Anything else i could say here would be bitter and jaded so i'll leave it there.
(DIR) Post #B4iKaC8NrxQthYcHcu by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@cas Fascism is not a value.
(DIR) Post #B4iKaCBZg5z7rS6pbE by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@neil @cas to you and postmarketOS.But I still do not accept any apologies about AI slop. I also will not in future.Sorry if it came across too strongly. Break an egg to bake a cake, that kind of thing.
(DIR) Post #B4iKaCHFL0WQ92lMRM by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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@cas I am so fucking done with fascist apologia in FLOSS.Do NOT DARE to talk about "values" here.
(DIR) Post #B4iKaCdZzyO1GJDCFc by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@cas @jens so let me get this straight.you are saying pmOS, a project largely maintained by queer kids (aka: the front line for fascist genocide) fucking around with phones and other SBCs, is fascist because they are using systemd?but also Linux kernel in general is now using AI tools for actual code generation much less review like systemd.I think you need to step back, rethink your positions and apologize. seriously.