Post B4LvI4RUxKjCImhRVg by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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(DIR) Post #B41YQGwqA2EtIS6Rpg by light@noc.social
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Trans women are men. If you think that belief is wrong and illegal and want to report me to the thought police, kill yourself.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI1sgTngwMEOby4 by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light Woman is a social construct and trans women are women because we say so.Gender is not whats between your legs otherwise people would suddenly switch genders after a sex change whether they wanted to or not.Gender is not what gametes you produce otherwise children would be genderlessGender is not what chromosomes you have otherwise about 3% of people the estimated undiagnosed intersex people would be very surprised to learn they are not the gender they thought they wereSex is also not a binary: https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/#Transgender #Gender
(DIR) Post #B4LvI2JcrdF5hn07xg by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp >Gender is not what gametes you produce otherwise children would be genderlessMaybe it's what gametes you can potentially produce?Either way, I think "you are because you say you are" is too vacuous.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI2XS2EIkOfTAVk by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light We accept that argument in other areas: it would be obscene to ask someone to logically prove why they love someone. It is a private personal experience and can't be described in an objective manner
(DIR) Post #B4LvI2kvE94p4RlvVY by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light Asked in a respectful context and with genuine curiosity questions like "What is love" and "What is gender" are probably some of the most interesting ones you can ask. But just stating that you know what it is and that everyone that disagrees with you is mentally ill isnt the play
(DIR) Post #B4LvI2vCbvIfaKa8X2 by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelpI didn't say anyone was mentally ill. And it wouldn't matter anyway if I did because I don't think mentally ill people are inferior. I have mental issues myself.So, in your view, what is gender?
(DIR) Post #B4LvI37xqTVaDuYKQK by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light I'm not answering any questions like that until you tell me why you care so much to defend your definition of gender#Transgender #Gender #Queer
(DIR) Post #B4LvI3Kj51iUrUWWJc by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelpSee https://noc.social/@light/116184696084635471
(DIR) Post #B4LvI3WmMDMFSsA96O by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light And why do you care to defend this particular dissenting opinion, what is the underlying reason that this is a valuable opinion that deserves not to be socially reprimanded?#Transgender #Queer
(DIR) Post #B4LvI3fHqaABtG8wMa by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelpAll opinions are legitimate until proven otherwise. This is a specific instance of the general principle of "innocent until proven guilty".Do you have a reason why the view that sex is biological, gender isn't real, and "man" and "woman" refer to biological sex rather than self-identity is guilty and deserving of being socially and/or legally reprimanded?
(DIR) Post #B4LvI3oVIJXILqSIjI by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light That isn't an answer, out of the field of infinite possible opinions you chose to spend your finite life defending this one and not the opinion that there is a teapot orbiting neptune
(DIR) Post #B4LvI3z8em2ispQnJ2 by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp No one is punishing people for saying there is a teapot orbiting neptune.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI48M6VPpLPk9fk by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light Do you not believe that there are words people can say that are harmful? Like "Someone should stab this person on the street" is an opinion and its illegal to say in most countries#FreeSpeech
(DIR) Post #B4LvI4CbqgonYbjYIq by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelpI'd like to reiterate, my main aim with the original post was to take a stand against thought policing, not to denigrate people who have particular views on gender.I don't mind being proven wrong, what I mind is people using legal force against or socially stigmatising dissenting views.Sorry if I offended you.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI4KlMNL9xtY40m by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp Yes, but biological facts are not that.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI4RUxKjCImhRVg by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light Why not why doesn't it cause harm to deny trans people their dignity
(DIR) Post #B4LvI4ZeT1FYi4VxDc by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp Why do you feel your dignity depends on forcing people to speak of you as a woman?What about their dignity? What about the dignity that comes with freedom of thought?
(DIR) Post #B4LvI4g25IM11rV3AG by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light Because woman is a social construct and this is quite easy for me to prove, so denying someone womanhood is not about facts, it is a social choice to be cruel and uninclusive
(DIR) Post #B4LvI4oBaysNR9JYsC by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp 1) "woman" and "man" are only social constructs according to a particular, very modern, definition of "woman" and "man"https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/(the author is genderist like you, but he also shows my point that definitions and categories are arbitrary)2) Even if you could somehow "prove" that your definitions were factually correct, that would be no excuse to force them on people. Bad ideas deserve arguments, not bullets.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI4yoxRNny8I3Rw by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp Oh, and 3) it's not cruel. Just like saying to a person suffering from psychosis that their psychotic delusions are not true.Just like anything, it can be done kindly or cruelly depending on your attitude.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI5AWFwjyYPlOgS by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light You have the burden of proof to show that gender is objective
(DIR) Post #B4LvI5MDYS698hEjuy by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp Honestly, I am open to the idea that it isn't. I have to say, all the violence being done and threatened to make people like me shut up isn't convincing me any though.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI5Tf6m3LVmigWO by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light I have offered several times now to debate why gender is socially constructed and you seem uninterested and just keep positing that it isnt, that isnt socratic dialogue its just you trying to shout your belief louder than mine
(DIR) Post #B4LvI5eeRuqM3rrSeO by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp What I have been trying to say for days now is that isn't the main point of my original post.The main point was to take a stand against thought policing.>Trans women are men. *If you think that belief is wrong and illegal and want to report me to the thought police, kill yourself.*
(DIR) Post #B4LvI5qLkQCWe9Knsu by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp I like to say things that are taboo as a way of taking a stand for the acceptability of that taboo.
(DIR) Post #B4LvI5zDDTI35dTshM by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@light If you say something you don't believe that is a lie. If you knowingly say something false you are spreading misinformatino and holding us all back. Either stand by what you say or delete the postSo are you going to delete the post then? Or do you actually believe that trans women aren't women
(DIR) Post #B4LvI684gWNZX7cxVo by light@noc.social
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@ambiguous_yelp >Or do you actually believe that trans women aren't womenIt's complicated. I think transwomen are biologically male. But I am comfortable with considering them "metaphorical" or "adoptive" women if they ask politely to be considered that way, kind of like how one might have a adopted family member. As in: they are not literally biologically related to you, yet you still consider them one of your own.I am not open to entertaining the dogma of tyrants.