Post B4GeFZFfHXtHyVaNN2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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(DIR) Post #B4G2GTRMZr61z03wVE by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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New blog post: "Forbidding generative AI and LLMs on Pepper&Carrot"https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1129/forbidding-generative-ai-and-llms-on-peppercarrot
(DIR) Post #B4G2Rk3R9AI6hDFCkq by DrJLecter@beige.party
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@davidrevoy absolutely love that drawing. Fuck those AI slop machines.
(DIR) Post #B4G2qaDGsFCNPfgntA by Poslovitch@wikis.world
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@davidrevoy After the Firefox-fighting-the-huge-Chrome-flying-ball, this is going to be my new wallpaper!
(DIR) Post #B4G4tKdXRVIPsgPjnM by aloxe@mast.eu.org
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@davidrevoy ça me fait trop penser à Kaonashi dans Spirited away. Ce personnage est d'ailleurs une belle image des LLM actuels, qui bouffent tout et tout le monde mais fascinent tant.
(DIR) Post #B4G5l40lTI63xJtoxM by blind_mapmaker@eldritch.cafe
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@davidrevoy Good text, good illustration. Keep up the good fight!
(DIR) Post #B4G85EmfKRDT4B3HWa by kimcrawley@zeroes.ca
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@davidrevoy David, I thought you were really cool. But it turns out you're not really against Gen AI after all.
(DIR) Post #B4G85EwajX9jYxhCzo by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@kimcrawley It starts by a clear "no" , right? It also says i disapprove it, but it has a nuance for the computer science and FLOSS projects who use the technics (not with any proprietary AI of course, crawled on data without consent), with just their in-house models trained on small in house ethical datasets, for statistic, scientific research or image algorythm (eg. Filters, Sharpenîng, img search local). Sorry for not being in absolute purity and have a nuance. I' m like that on many topics.
(DIR) Post #B4GABHuwn5jaQlwFMG by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@davidrevoy Pourquoi bannir tout LLM lorsqu'il est évident que les violation morale/éthique en la matière sont fais par des LLM privateur de liberté ?La FSF fut claire sur le sujet que la raison pour que ces outils soit non éthique et utiliser a des fin nocifs est du a leur nature privateur.Si vous n'avez pas vue la video de la FSF au FOSDEM 2025 sur le sujet je vous encourage a prendre le temps (si possible) de la regarder.https://archive.fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-4818-fsf-s-criteria-for-free-machine-learning-applications/
(DIR) Post #B4GAZBUyJ9XDTNBQci by kimcrawley@zeroes.ca
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@davidrevoy There's absolutely no such thing as ethical Gen AI. I'm not talking about types of machine learning that existed before 2022. That's not Gen AI. I'm talking about *generative* "AI."And there's no such thing as "ethical" Gen AI, nor "it'll get better in the future!" Even your "what if it's just local, on device!" is a bullshit excuse.Gen AI is inherently fascist.Gen AI is inherently brainwashing and mindwarping.The massive environmental destruction and training off off massive amounts of people's creations without permission isn't the only problem with Gen AI.And I'm sick and fucking tired of people's obsession with finding "nuance" in inherently evil shit. Take a strong stance against evil, or be a coward.If only you had the moral courage of Anthony Moser, rather than the cowardice of a tech bro.https://mathstodon.xyz/@gregeganSF/116219772468880168
(DIR) Post #B4GAZC0sOX3V4K6uLw by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@kimcrawley Ok, I think we just have a problem of definition here. I'm just talking about the coding method, the small neural networks home made for Character Recognition for scanner, built on a limited dataset of scans (with autorisation); or a filter that auto clean line-art, like on this paper https://www.davidrevoy.com/article642/scientific-paper-sketch-to-line-art-by-waseda-university I participated in 2018. Yes, things that existed before 2022.I think we agree on all gen AI from surveillance capitalism by corpo. No need to jump on the big words or insults.
(DIR) Post #B4GAue1vQK9o2ipWdc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@kimcrawley Also, I concede my wording on my FAQ (that's probably was written around 2022/2023) could be better and more precise. I'll note on my TODO to try to disambiguate this as much as possible.Edit: updated with an 'addendum': https://www.davidrevoy.com/static2/about-me
(DIR) Post #B4GCG8Pdl0cEJ9jYDA by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@mangeurdenuage Cette présentation n'apporte rien de concret dans les usages pratique: juste un objet théorique avec des critères pas mis en application... la FSF quoi.J'invoque avec ce genre de règle catégorique et simple une protection contre des usages déjà là. Ca donne au projet un motif de ban ou d'avertissement pour bannir les MR d'un agent Claude/Copilot/Mistral/Llama à vue, ou gronder un bleu qui penserait qu'on pourrait vibe-coder un truc pour le site et le soumettre.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #B4GCU5D8SRa4QrXHJQ by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@mangeurdenuage Ensuite, si vient un jour l'objet théorique de la FSF, genre le truc génial, fiable, pas privateur, etc... et que c'est utilisé dans tout les FLOSS, hè bien on verra peut-être à bâtir des exceptions... Mais on en reparle dans 10 ans à mon avis 🤣 . (2/2)
(DIR) Post #B4GDj9K5YE99U3XIVE by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@davidrevoy Les gens/corporation disais ça du projet GNU en 83. Rome ne ses pas bâtit pas en 1 jour.
(DIR) Post #B4GHrStJ55TKJ3EJ7Y by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
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@davidrevoy I love Pepper & Carrot* and also your Avian Intellegence series.[* Though I've not read much of it]
(DIR) Post #B4GJ5FSVuz6UehplFA by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@aloxe Oui, une grosse grosse inspiration, un mix entre ça et le sans visage. 💜
(DIR) Post #B4GNg2sa3ER2AipOmO by kwazekwaze@mastodon.social
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@davidrevoy @kimcrawley David, the conflation of working, innocuous computational methods such as what you describe here with the exploitive and theft-based methods of the last few years was intentional.The use of this conflation to illicit otherwise well-meaning individuals to equivocate over "good" and "bad" AI is a well-known tactic for bogging down criticism.It's not exactly just two people having a difference in definitions.
(DIR) Post #B4GTDAwNbG72V6DpGy by kwazekwaze@mastodon.social
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@davidrevoy @kimcrawley The question to ask is who are you trying to appeal to when you say you're "not against all AI"? Are you worried someone reading post-2023 is going to somehow think you're referring to some predictive algorithm in use in hospitals 2016? Anyone with even a vague knowledge of AI is going to know you're not, anyone that doesn't isn't going to even know to think that as "AI" to them means the shit we're all disparaging!
(DIR) Post #B4GTDB8QsRkn6TrS3k by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@kwazekwaze @kimcrawley ? I'm not trying to appeal others with my ideas on the topic, I just say what I think and do, unfiltred. I'm an independent artist with a comic project, not a doing PR strategy. 🤣 Also, FIY, in Free Libre and Open Source gfx, we have a library part of GMIC like nn_lib ( see 5.2 in https://gmic.eu/gmic325/ ), that is "neural network learning". It use small, ethical dataset. It's for making better filters, it runs local, etc... The nuance is for that type of projects.
(DIR) Post #B4GVvnWfhYj6oxbQDg by Stem@framapiaf.org
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@davidrevoy I think you should like this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsQtUSTSX40
(DIR) Post #B4GWsIPJ2mw1OR3FnE by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@davidrevoy >2/2)ohlala j'ai louper une premiére pas du message dsl.
(DIR) Post #B4GWzyzb6wnNUpgxRg by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@Stem :blobaww: great one!
(DIR) Post #B4GXRNUq78hxJRMssq by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@mangeurdenuage T'inquiète, pas de mal, et de toute façon, j'ai un peu/beaucoup d’amertume avec la FSF. Mon avis sur ce qu'il font maintenant ne vaux pas grand choses car je tourne vite fait sois à la moquerie, soit à d'autre stratégie d'évitement. Mea Culpa. En tout cas, c'est chouette de voir Zoë Kooyman, ce fût de loin celle que j'ai le plus apprécié travaillé avec l'hors de notre collab.
(DIR) Post #B4GYKesPCGp18vkau0 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@davidrevoy >Cette présentation n'apporte rien de concret dans les usages pratique:Je me retrouve a mettre tromper de lien et je retrouve pas le lien d'origine que je souhaiter, désoler.M'enfin, bref ce que je souhaiter souligner c'était que la FSF avés établie que pour que le ML soit étique comme établie pour la liberté informatique/logiciels que non seulement il faut que le logiciels soit sous licence GPL mais que les données annexe qui ne sont pas du code qui on servie a sa configuration/entraînement etc... soit aussi sous une licence copyleft.Ce sont des lignes directrice on connaît déjà le résultats lorsqu'on les suits pas et ça s’appelle l'OSI.>n'apporte rien de concret dans les usages pratiqueEst qu'est ce que tu attend en concret ?C'est une question sincère.>la FSF quoi.La FSF gère déja une grand quantité de code avec pas de grande ressources et qu'ils se font régulièrement chier sur la gueule par une quantité de gens qui se pleingent alors qu'ils n'ont pas suivie les conseilles/directives de la FSF.>J'invoque avec ce genre de règle catégorique et simple une protection contre des usages déjà là>Claude/Copilot/Mistral/Llama J'ai rien contre ce sont après tout ce sont des logiciels/SaaSS propriétaire qui ne devrait pas exister, mais comme dit pour les quelque projets de machine learning qui sont eux éthique (3) ils peuvent plus utiliser votre travaille comme matériels et c'est dommage dans leur cas.
(DIR) Post #B4GZPou9RKOVeAamjQ by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@davidrevoy >j'ai un peu/beaucoup d’amertume avec la FSFPour quelle raison ?>Mon avis sur ce qu'il font maintenant ne vaux pas grand choses C'est sur que depuis qu'ils ont perdue les 5million de donations tout les projets comme RYF la retro ingénierie du matos etc... qui avait exploser en 2014/2015 et bien on a plus grand chose en dehors de pouvoir maintenir le projet GNU.Mais j'ai creuser ce sujet sur les années et c'est maintenant évidant que tout cela fut organiser via des agence de communication pour manipuler la foule via twatteur par exemple, pour écraser le cœur du mouvement du logiciel, peut importe le résultat, si la FSF ne perdait pas l'argent ils perdaient les gens avec l’éthique nécessaire/incorruptibilité, de la bonne direction du projet et ce serait transformer en OSI avec le temps.Sans l'argent, et bien il y a toujours une petite chance mais faut qu'il y ai suffisamment de personne qui reviennent a se reconnecter avec leur cœur (je cite pas la FSF mais la cnv X) ).>Mea Culpa. Np. Tout le monde est sur les nerf depuis des années mais je rassemble des éléments d’événement qui coïncide au fur est a mesure que j'en apprend sur les événement/courtier de données et le contre espionnage des états :akkoDerp: Au finale la solution c'est juste d’être un bon voisin sans être naïf (le plus dure).PS: Mea culpa pour mon orthographe/conjugaison bien que je sois français je suis dyslexique a 36 baller.
(DIR) Post #B4GaP5R6afSYaDDjOK by Michkov@mas.to
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@davidrevoy Armus?
(DIR) Post #B4GaloMuDKIsJD5lxo by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@davidrevoy >une premiére pasje suis trop fatiguer pour être cohérent.Bonne nuit et désoler si c'est pas cohérent ce que j'ai poster.
(DIR) Post #B4Gc6nZYT6UTsLa1U8 by kimcrawley@zeroes.ca
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@davidrevoy @kwazekwaze You're trying to appeal to centrism fallacy. "I'm not one of those radicals who is totally against bad thing, I am partly supportive of bad thing, to be rational and sensible! The planet can have a little destruction, as a treat!I don't like to get all *political*. So when bad thing is destroying the world, instead of being on the right side of history and firmly opposing bad thing, I'm gonna not get involved and just let bad thing hurt people 'cuz it's just politics, you know? Don't confuse me for someone with principles and a strong moral code!" 😂🤣😂🤣
(DIR) Post #B4Gc6o3gf4arNng5S4 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@kimcrawley @kwazekwaze Oh, a Straw man. Ok, discussion is over.
(DIR) Post #B4Gd2gvzJ5xK5Eg7EG by kwazekwaze@mastodon.social
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@davidrevoy @kimcrawley Yeah man, I know. The "well-meaning individuals" part was referring to you! I ain't accusing you of malignance.Try this: Imagine a world where half the critical articles about bitcoin had the author ending with "now don't get me wrong I'm not actually opposed to all crypto. SHA-256 and SSH are actually super useful technologies". A little weird, right?
(DIR) Post #B4GeFYtgbGJGsLIp72 by yuki2501@masto.hackers.town
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@davidrevoy This reminds me, have you seen this animation?https://youtube.com/shorts/G9D_PL61_pA
(DIR) Post #B4GeFZFfHXtHyVaNN2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@yuki2501 :blobaww: aww, amazing. Thanks for sharing, I'll follow the author.
(DIR) Post #B4GeIcE6g5we4PJIgK by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@mangeurdenuage Idem, bonne nuit!
(DIR) Post #B4GfRnQmUPD7NeBEcC by isonno@mastodon.social
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@davidrevoy Your illustration is pitch perfect.Go get 'em, Carrot!
(DIR) Post #B4HWa2fwzNxeY35nnM by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@davidrevoy @kimcrawley David’s post which you reply to’s exceptions are not genAI but analytical, thankfully. (Yes, genAI needs to be banned.)
(DIR) Post #B4HZgx6OPRXF9TRnTU by voxel@infosec.space
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@davidrevoy I'm very frustrated and concerned about AI – not because it will "take over the world" or some conspiracy like that, but because it's going down the same path as blockchain and other technologies regarding cryptocurrency, tokens, etc.It's a good and interesting technology, but the problem is that it's used as a marketing term and for all kinds of "bullsh*" which ruins the reputation of the technology as a whole and burns everyone in the process.(The Em dash is not there because I used AI, but because I'm trying uncommon and almost "dead" but useful text elements like the semi-cologne ; for example, while keeping things language accurate)
(DIR) Post #B4HZgxI5hwtPjkv8i0 by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@voxel @davidrevoy semi-cologne? 😹
(DIR) Post #B4HfiBRPBNj5dbFJrc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@mc @inkscape The last version in the thread looks good! Thank you for the quality work! (I logged in to add a little 👍 to it)
(DIR) Post #B4Hg0mGd0DCL444Uds by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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@davidrevoy Merci, ditto.
(DIR) Post #B4HxYXrKm9ozRgvaVs by geoffroydussart@mastodon.social
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@davidrevoy
(DIR) Post #B4JVETCdy9iGoQSDke by TrimTab@mastodon.social
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@davidrevoyI for one am very glad to see you quote the important work of Katzinger & Wisknana in your decision making process. They produced seminal work in avian kibble that forms its own gravy and deserve more credit. Lawyers in the field of corporate law should reference their savory gravy work more often.
(DIR) Post #B4Jdw17IYO1w4zEIim by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@TrimTab 🦜 💜
(DIR) Post #B4Lz87b2m4u30Lfxx2 by knees@mathstodon.xyz
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@davidrevoy i absolutely love your for-ai-only segment!i see that you use a cc-by license, so would it be ok to use the for-ai-only image for a similar segment on my website with attribution? (not sure if there's a certain page i should link to for that image)
(DIR) Post #B4M47KWzhJjibODvk0 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@knees Yes! Feel free to steal the idea and the graphics for it, no need attribution for that!Just, also check the html and css code: it was painful to adapt it so 'read-out-loud' assistant for accessibility don't read it and same for Firefox 'text only' mode, but I found workarounds. You might want them too.Also: it works, the crawler of a famous search engine took it, so it might be soon also part of dataset for training AI.
(DIR) Post #B4M4IJDMvtfzhjHNCK by knees@mathstodon.xyz
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@davidrevoy ahaha nice!and thanks for the tips! i was curious as to why it was included via css, and that makes sense!