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(DIR) Post #B46wBbN5JZ3uz7iQqG by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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For digital spaces built on safety, transparency, and freedom. We brought together top experts for our new Special Panel on child safety online. We are looking into real solutions, like harmonised age limits for social media across all EU countries , and making sure tech platforms step up to protect young minds. We are here to help make the internet a safer playground. More š https://link.europa.eu/cKjMRh
(DIR) Post #B46wND4tSkK37Ck4Rs by Pepijn@mastodon.online
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That is one hell of a dystopian cat.@EUCommission
(DIR) Post #B46wRaCNRUKdytKNEm by nepenthes@mastodon.uno
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@EUCommission what could possibly go wrong?
(DIR) Post #B46wbKt9DhQlORz3lA by hllizi@hespere.de
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@EUCommission this isn't the banger you might think it is. If you had tried to write image descriptions you might have noticed yourselves.
(DIR) Post #B46wh1tijwdSERy0A4 by PeterSoukup@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission What about PRIVACY? Child safety is just an excuse for an orwellian dystopian surveillance. No, thank you! No more #ChatControl !!!#privacy #privacyisaright #StopChatControl
(DIR) Post #B46wmB5S0CYwBCuNEW by irina@wandering.shop
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@EUCommission Setting the age limit too high (like 16) may endanger teens who are, for instance, queer without support from home. You're cutting them off from their only lifeline.
(DIR) Post #B46wr2Yb8xj7AlrOxE by fdr@mstdn.social
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@EUCommission you are looking for a technical solution to a social problem. It will not work
(DIR) Post #B46wwqRH6xm5KJCdWK by int21h@mastodon.gal
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@EUCommission Goal achieved.Many children in Gaza won't be harassed in social networks. They've been killed in real life.
(DIR) Post #B46x1RQ3Yr8rB3pBgm by GLaDTheresCake@todon.nl
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@EUCommission Because as we all know, from deep within our guts, all people that harm children are the weird perverts online. It's not as if abuse is usually done by people close to the children who have institutional power over themāand the research bears that outāthat would obviously be absurd! We should give people close to children way more power to control everything they see! Because children deserve to see only trivial things that aren't challenging the worldview of those that own and control them! God forbid they see a queer person or something...
(DIR) Post #B46xAnDhsLtBOiVVxo by christof@fedihum.org
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@EUCommission This is like asking kids not to leave the house because the car traffic outside is too dangerous. The solution is to reduce the traffic, and its speed, not to ban kids from leaving the house. Also, the traffic is dangerous to everyone, not just the kids, even if they might be particularly at risk. Don't penalize a vulnerable group; treat the problem instead! On social media, we don't need age limits; we need better enforcement of content moderation rules!
(DIR) Post #B46xG4LTdDOzxVepyS by s_wilson@mastodon.uno
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@EUCommission this is just surveillance, the children should have privacy and safety, not grow up in a panopticon and being told it's love (especially girls need to know that surveillance is never love)
(DIR) Post #B46xLH9FSUXd77Q8G0 by PeterSoukup@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission By the way, this is what Musk's "ground breaking, revolutionary" AI Grok is posting: If you really want to do something about child safety online, I'd start by banning Musk, Nazi, disinformation cesspit X ...
(DIR) Post #B46xR85E4g0ojlKXsu by hew@c.im
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@EUCommission seems like a sensible step would be to ban cesspits like X tbh. And rightly regulate META.
(DIR) Post #B46xXMHIDD1EUxwdHc by elricofmelnibone@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission Have you considered leaving the parenting to actual parents, isntead of implementing Orwellian garbage?
(DIR) Post #B46xg8I9a6wVjAX09Q by danielgibert@mastodon.online
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@EUCommission I'm sorry, what you are going to obtain is children using internet illegally, because they will find a way, more uncontrolled than ever, and absolutely no benefit for the rest of users, specially for those in sensitive and dangerous situations. I, as a father, don't wan't this for my kids.You start deciding what we can see on internet, will end on what we can read, say or think.Internet is not a playground, we should start educating and teaching, not blocking and forbidding.
(DIR) Post #B46xlbuUt82f2G4uTw by drionescu@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission This is one salutary proposal. Kids need to be shielded from all the non-sense social media stuff. Some adults too, but one step at a time.
(DIR) Post #B46yMNQXhOoipbbBKq by ivolimmen@toot.community
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@EUCommission I would love to see law and restrictions as long as it does not include:- Age verification- Communication monitoringWe should just fine platforms that can not keep up their promises
(DIR) Post #B46ye62R5ZXa75lwq8 by hauntshade@hauntshadesocial.nl
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@EUCommission Censorship is not the answer for people who donāt know how to parent their kids online. If parents would do their fucking jobs and actually parent their children, this would not be necessary.
(DIR) Post #B46yiJvPOtayLAV2GG by jm_rtr@chaos.social
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@EUCommission They were close enough to identify the problem. Then they've fucked upā¦
(DIR) Post #B46ymZo6IEc6kx6vWS by katzenberger@tldr.nettime.org
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@EUCommission #AgeVerification is not a "solution", but both a convenient cop-out for you, so that you cowards needn't address platform regulation;and a much welcome vehicle to amass more and more data of every single person, ready to use for you and even more fascist governments to come.Nobody believes you.
(DIR) Post #B46yyOYrvixvLycc2y by eickot@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission the solution is always the same, it's called education! No stupid laws to make opensource impossible, or to allow goverments to control his citizens. Control was never the solution, and it will never be!
(DIR) Post #B46z4LOKd2n3G9WuLw by m_berberich@infosec.exchange
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@EUCommission You are not trying to protect children.You are trying to control the internet, force everyone to provide identification.Provide certified authenticated users to U.S. bigtech-companies for better targeted ads, crowd out marginalised and vulnerable groups and prime the internet as a mean of control for fascist.
(DIR) Post #B46zAScceuPtQE8AkK by shaman007@mastodon.andreybondarenko.com
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@EUCommission you're most useless cowards that serve against people's needs. You will cover any athrocity with "pRotecT teH cHildren!"
(DIR) Post #B46zFniPf4isI2NyE4 by jaystephens@mastodon.social
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@EUCommissionThe loss of privacy this entails will damage society far more than any benefits.The children you aim to protect will grow up in a normalised surveillance state.Rethink.
(DIR) Post #B46zlLCpC7fz8UeMYC by quincy@chaos.social
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@EUCommission you'd be well advised to read and heed the replies from concerned citizens, or become irrelevant.internet is not a "playground" and there's a difference between "safe" and an unfree society, which will be the outcome of this.go after big tech instead. they're not partners. they're the ones endangering the children.
(DIR) Post #B46zpWhGPguxvtspSC by tthbaltazar@chaos.social
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@EUCommission Restrict the harassers, not children's access to online spaces.
(DIR) Post #B4702c7Ba2XEV9FTxA by gamiel72@troet.cafe
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@EUCommission you're just trying to protect kids right? What could go wrong?Oh! The fact that ALL laws you've tried to pass so far violate the EU charter of fundamental rights , especially the right to privacy.So is it really protecting children? Or just trying to control people?
(DIR) Post #B4706xiNDN7IeNiTlQ by DrJLecter@beige.party
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@EUCommission what you should do is punish hate speech and force online platforms to protect their users, not prevent children from community and information they would never get otherwise. You're harming lgbtq+ kids especially and paving the path for online control and surveillance.
(DIR) Post #B470AIP2kjeNgNGSsC by Teckids@bildung.social
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@EUCommission Please consult with experts who actually work with children and youth online, and ideally with children and youth themselves. As such, we clearly say: You are on the wrong track.We are here to help if you are looking for expert interventions regarding the topic!
(DIR) Post #B470ErlrCJ3KX57BDs by leavex@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission Regulating the business model of big tech social media, particularly targeted advertising and algorithmic manipulation, is much more difficult. Why not remove the incentives for platforms to maximize engagement through outrage or addictive algorithms? The answer is that it takes courage.
(DIR) Post #B470bXcEIglwgNQLQ0 by ThreeSigma@mastodon.online
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@EUCommission Right, so your mission is to keep kids from talking to other kids? Or to monitor all their conversations for bullying? What exactly are you going to stop?
(DIR) Post #B470hnUWBj99eonfGa by Fokeu@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission How about you leave parenting to the parents instead of restricting people's privacy? Child safety is a very comfortable excuse for malicious laws. All chat surveillance and age verification should be dead and buried six feet under. Otherwise we will soon live in a surveillance state.
(DIR) Post #B470lwRCroCcYyE9Hk by pixelcats@apobangpo.space
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@EUCommission Listen to the voices in Australia reporting on how age restrictions and surveillance are failing kids and adults here and don't make the same awful mistakes! Make Big Tech take responsibility for the damage they've wrought.
(DIR) Post #B470qKkQQPC37LJL0K by libredove@bsd.cafe
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@EUCommission fuck off
(DIR) Post #B4710fgLRlngwJKd8a by andricheli@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission this is just an excuse to usher in government censorship. It has nothing to do with actually protecting kids.
(DIR) Post #B471Z00oMmalq1H1Tk by ariarhythmic@ohai.social
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@EUCommission You're saying nothing concrete but I can't help but feel like whatever you're planning is dystopian control freakery.
(DIR) Post #B472CNCE6P7f2IO6fQ by troed@masto.sangberg.se
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@EUCommission Parent here. I decide appropriate age limits for my kids.Not you.
(DIR) Post #B472jSGOHe7cJ96tPM by HLunke@darmstadt.social
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@EUCommission The quote of @HennaVirkkunen below the linked article is starting with the right words:"Children must be able to explore, learn and play online - safely. The Digital Services Act makes platforms responsible for ensuring children are safe online"The solution for this would be to make the online world safe and to prohibit algorithms in anti-social media.The solution for this is certainly not to block the children from the online world with age limits.
(DIR) Post #B473OkSzVdJAdYh6Su by v4rd4453n@mathstodon.xyz
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Is this just an orphaned link campaign paired with some images, or will @EUCommission engage in commentary on their post? I think it would be wise to chat with the mastodon crowd. I feel alt-text is a pause on post feature, but I have surfaced to lazy descriptions in them. I have spent some time figuring out how to write alt text, and I have tried using generators to write them, still i will not be 100% satisfied. Here is an explainer i found https://www.kwbell.eu/mastonotes/alt-text-for-mastodon-images/
(DIR) Post #B474LdNDWb39iv4Xqq by wolnyjez@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission "think of the children"
(DIR) Post #B475R8wLgio11mhC8O by jandi@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission Unlike you, I've read all the responses here, so I have little to add.But, making "see" the operative verb in your misleading propaganda, using (lazy) uncaptioned images, is specially galling.Do YOU see us, hear us, perceive us, acknowledge us?This account gets more insulting each day.
(DIR) Post #B475g2VLtgEfPdAgL2 by castrillo@mastodon.online
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@EUCommission the worse solution ever, you must be focus on other things that real matter, rather creating pretexts for kind of "solutions" across EU regions - there is anyone at EU commission that knows what is IPv4 or IPv6 ? or maybe http/https ? ...delivering layer over layers this is your favourite routine - no good.
(DIR) Post #B4765VtjkaxHoVix4C by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
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@EUCommission It's up to the parents.Any attempt to regulate what children see on the Internet simply removes all privacy for all adults. Exposes them to exploitation by US Corporations and malicious governments. The verification people will sell the info and it will be kept.It's not like sometimes younger adults having to show ID in a shop. That's not stored or transmitted and it's a minority of adults.The idea of Child protection on the Internet rather than parental supervision is daft.
(DIR) Post #B476khXNNebvmku9nU by sanjibo@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission The problem is not the children.The problem is the unregulated, illegal contentEnforce law to protect people against abusive firms, instead of passing laws to survey people.
(DIR) Post #B478kLyjjdV2pYfFke by aprilfoo@piaille.fr
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@EUCommission When people have to go through id/age verification for anything with USA big tech "solutions" and IT security weakened by black boxes and backdoors, it means everyone's online safety threatened, business crippled and democracy locked down. The responsibility of the EC in the #chatcontrol disaster is overwhelming.
(DIR) Post #B478z9g1krzf1MyH2W by IncHulk@mastodon.green
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@EUCommission Personal Privacy is a key element of online life of free nations. There is a fundamental problem with claiming to protect children, when undermining the rights of privacy of all individuals.In Hungary, Orban makes big claims about how his policies are to protect children - then the abuse of children by officials in the ruling party reveal that the policies only had theoretical child safety, the real case was the opposite.
(DIR) Post #B479O7e6RYFTxfyaxM by Flaky@furry.engineer
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@EUCommission The under-16 social media ban got rejected in the UK. Probably best to follow that, given the NSPCC said a blanket ban would result in people being pushed to even worse unregulated spaces.
(DIR) Post #B479X5roQVa33CfOW8 by Manic_Walrus@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission Hopefully you set up Age related safe spaces instead of banning children from social media. Cutting children off that are under 16, just isolates them from gaming communities and branching out into hobbies their friends may not partake in. Let them grow, don't prune them. Let them be a part of their sports clubs events and celebratory photos on socials.
(DIR) Post #B479hoACaUpNKWNSMq by anyDr0id@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission
(DIR) Post #B47Dichv4BepuCnCaW by Razemix@mamutovo.cz
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@EUCommission Digital age verification is one of the biggest privacy violations in the history of mankind. Stop this! We can take care of our children ourselves!
(DIR) Post #B47DubEAOWKsn5aQro by dendari@mastodon.world
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@EUCommission As a parent I have found that the best way to protect my kids is not to block everything that is bad, because that is an impossible task. Instead, I teach them to recognize bad behavior and intentionally choose to look for good behavior. I teach them that I am always open for questions and there is nothing they could do that would prevent me from helping them.
(DIR) Post #B47EieNgwYhf3CuM1A by morwud@mastodon.morwud.cz
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@EUCommission Protecting kids online is important. The way you want to do this does not ensure their safety and actaully put safety of others more in danger. Stop implementing the easy way out (forcing technical censorship) and start working on the right way to do this (education for parents and children on how to act online and what to do when something bad happens).
(DIR) Post #B47Fu73ImjtX71Ot84 by thomholwerda@exquisite.social
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@EUCommission Have you considered just banning Facebook/Instagram and Twitter? Would solve like 99% of the problem.Stop coddling these tech giants. Why do they get special treatment no other EH citizen gets? It's infuriating.
(DIR) Post #B47Kr5DzcgvaLWmA64 by jwcph@helvede.net
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@EUCommission Back up. Before going all "Will somebody think of the children", let's mandate that digital corporations have no more leeway to harming ANYONE, adults included, than is allowed in the non-digital world. With proper safety & privacy regulations on digital services half the child endangerment - if not more - disappears right away.
(DIR) Post #B47NPnvU88TOjunq1Q by itsFriday@toot.community
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@EUCommission Let's first put age restrictions on politics. No politician should be older than 30. That would let the politics plan for longer than the 20 years old politician have left to live.
(DIR) Post #B47QjAXeZO8UFGa69w by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @morwud! At this stage, we are gathering information and assessing the issue. We include youth representatives alongside specialists from fields like health, computer science, child rights & digital literacy in our policymaking. At this panel, participants discussed the responsibility of tech companies, as well as digital literacy for children, their parents and teachers. You can get involved in our policies too! Check this space for debates that interest you: https://citizens.ec.europa.eu/index_en
(DIR) Post #B47QnLnCgJT4IUqfr6 by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Our designer said it's meant to be a zebra, @Pepijn. We just updated our ALT-text to make it more clear. š
(DIR) Post #B47Qtft6sf70MKcvU8 by supernova@metalhead.club
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@EUCommission actually, nobody should see that. Not even me. So please just make it go away. for e-ve-ry-one. There is a small number of open-for-all media that we are actually talking about here. We should be regulating the hell out of them. We should judge them by the standards of public broadcasters.
(DIR) Post #B47SCUB4k8KxUrZ13A by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @itsFriday! Your suggestion is a little bit extreme for us, we donāt really believe in excluding anyone based on their age. šBut we do believe in including young people in our policy process. Thatās why, as just one example, we established the first ever presidential youth advisory board. Youth representatives from every EU country met with President Von der Leyen last year to discuss this very issue. And that wasnāt just a one-time thing. Learn more here: https://commission.europa.eu/topics/youth/presidents-youth-advisory-board_en
(DIR) Post #B47Swpy041YgOZY9gG by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @LookWhatTheCatDraggedIn! This panel was commissioned to forge a strong, realistic, European approach to keep our children safe in the digital age. In all of this work we will be guided by the need to empower parents and build a safer Europe for our children. However, if you have concerns over privacy relating to age verification, you can learn more about the privacy-first age verification solution we are developing here: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-makes-available-age-verification-blueprint
(DIR) Post #B47TaLpBYEFqUiGi5Q by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Thanks for sharing your view, @dendari. You're setting a great example! Digital literacy for children, parents and teachers is actually one of the core topics the Panel is working on. The aim is not to replace parental responsibility but to ensure platforms also take responsibility for the environments they create for young users.
(DIR) Post #B47VvgmF2r4vT1C62S by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @lexinova! At this stage, we are meeting with experts and youth representatives to discuss the issue. Yesterday's discussions revolved around holding tech companies accountable & promoting digital literacy. While age verification may be a part of a future solution, we are developing and testing a privacy-first age verification method. Itās like this: the site you want to access will only receive the info if you are over 18 or not, nothing else.More info here: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-makes-available-age-verification-blueprint
(DIR) Post #B47W6D2lvvhyR5wVKC by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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hi @jandi! We also read your comments, sometimes it just takes us a while to get to them all. š We now edited the post to include ALT-text. Please never hesitate to let us know when it's missing. We welcome all feedback on our content. What do you think we should be doing better?
(DIR) Post #B47XHS5GSEsuDp279s by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @v4rd4453n! We have edited the post to include ALT-text now, please never hesitate to let us know when we have forgotten to include it. We do like to engage with the community here, sometimes it just takes us a while to get to your comments. š š Do you have any further feedback on our content? Let us know!
(DIR) Post #B47XRbTSOeyeF0Boh6 by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @michael! The Panel brings together independent health experts, child rights specialists and youth representatives. Its mandate is focused on how to better protect children online, including looking at addictive features and algorithms. That scope is set out publicly and transparently.
(DIR) Post #B47Xnwa4bSDE4aw9nE by webbop@tech.lgbt
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@EUCommission as a citizen in the EU I would like to ask, how would the age be handled?Is it self-defined? Does it need to verify? How will it be verified? Who will handle verifying? What will protect us from those who are supposed to verify, will there be restrictions?
(DIR) Post #B47XnwjI3BaKXBFW9w by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Thank you for your questions, @webbop! Privacy is a core consideration in this work. The EU age verification solution that we are testing is specifically designed to confirm age without collecting any other identity data. Imagine it works like this: the adult-only website you want to access will only know if you are 18 or over, nothing else. You can learn more about our approach to age verification here: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification
(DIR) Post #B47XwO3aKdZnbZlbu4 by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @hllizi, thanks for sharing feedback on our content. Please never hesitate to let us know when we have forgotten to include ALT-text! We want to know what our community thinks. What kind of content would you like to see more of?
(DIR) Post #B47Y0RLK3Xu8xGzotk by lopta@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission @Pepijn Can we compromise and call it a Zat?
(DIR) Post #B47YHzj1TdKiVqS6tM by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hi @elricofmelnibone, this is not about replacing parental responsibility. We want to ensure that children are empowered and protected online, and digital literacy can play an important role here for children, their parents and teachers.
(DIR) Post #B47YpBMrDAQkB3uT44 by morwud@mastodon.morwud.cz
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@EUCommission OK. I hope you will do a better job than with Chat Control then.
(DIR) Post #B47ZPNRjmRgC41S3DU by jesterchen@social.tchncs.de
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@EUCommission Age limits aren't a solution. First of all, if implemented in the "usual" way of politics, they'll just lead to deanonymisation and MASSIVE targeted ads and profile building.Next, why not just take existing laws like GDPR, DSA, and whatever and force the major players to stop their current business model (which might lead to broken business models, and hey! - that's good, because all of their daily business is against the law*)Next, will you this time think of open source and free stuff (as in e.g. mastodon), or will you AGAIN forget to add safe harbours for stuff like freifunk in Germany?Commit to freedom and democracy, don't let big players help write laws where they actually benefit from.* no matter if tiktok, xhitter, meta, openai, ...
(DIR) Post #B47ZlPnbiIpJjQBnxA by jesterchen@social.tchncs.de
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@EUCommission Please include actual experts from @CCC or @digitalcourage or @eff or similar groups as well.If you can convince these folks with your plans and laws, they might actually BE good.Don't wait for them to participate, reach actively out to them!
(DIR) Post #B47aEkSDztXaBrAufI by fartwithfury@infosec.exchange
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@EUCommission This won't work
(DIR) Post #B47bawHkn2nVD0QG3s by thejacenallen@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission get fucked
(DIR) Post #B47ceHH7J6Jz88HRzM by jandi@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission I appreciate the answer, and the addition of image captions. I didn't (don't) mean to be personally offensive, I hope I wasn't.As to your question: who would be "we", the EC or the person(s) behind this account?To be frank, I don't know what a good microblogging account for a big institution should be like; must be difficult. But I see that you've started responding to some of the questions in this thread and that's better than usual, thanks! 1/3
(DIR) Post #B47mPVvzWN7ZnDzwKu by etam@im-in.space
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@EUCommissionAge verification is punishing the victim and only delaying the harm. The algorithms designed to exploit engagement are the problem.Btw was this the same event, or something else: https://en.panoptykon.org/dsa-vs-reality-are-children-safer-online-ep-hearingCC @panoptykon
(DIR) Post #B47mdiOnyT3AVQFNQG by GLaDTheresCake@todon.nl
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@EUCommission @webbop OK, but will that privacy consideration only flow towards the companies that you verify towards, and will the EU body still get all my data including what sites I visit that might be too "spicy" for children according to them? This platform has pornography, and I am very explicitly anti government here as well. How would you ensure I am safe from your systems registering me and if authoritarians grab power put me in a camp? Do you really want to risk giving a European Trump that power?
(DIR) Post #B47s73LjewbHeRcV5E by elricofmelnibone@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission No, you're building a surveillance state and are hiding it behind the same old "protect the children" nonsense. This won't protect a single child from anything.
(DIR) Post #B47zdHow5jOhThayky by itsFriday@toot.community
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@EUCommission Thanks you for you answer. I actually did not expect the comments to be read. I'm positive surprised.Why then exclude young people from the internet and making it worse for every one in the process?
(DIR) Post #B487W4OWPTy9RbJITQ by substrukturo@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission, I don't usually comment, but I can't remain silent any longer. You must stop your "safety" initiative. It's a crime against freedom and security, and it could potentially be used to violate young human's rights to freedom of information, communication, and so on. I'm proud of the EU, its political decisions and values, but this changes everything. Such a decision is more like what the RF or any other dictatorship would do than what an egalitarian and democratic polity would do.
(DIR) Post #B48stvQw4fSaRoJg4u by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello, @dieTasse! This is not about replacing parental responsibility. We want to ensure that children are empowered and protected online, and digital literacy can play an important role here for children, their parents and teachers.
(DIR) Post #B48trXuqdnUAssjkps by hllizi@hespere.de
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@EUCommission What are your plans to protect boomers and other adults from harmful online content? They are more dangerous than children and as easily misled.
(DIR) Post #B496WlAjSTmJJvaLzM by FluffyBunnikins@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/116204266683853568
(DIR) Post #B49Pqh2GRi7xPaqKKO by yianpap@mastodon.social
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@EUCommission I hope for a real solution cause ID verification is not one them.
(DIR) Post #B4AmTR7RwsedUX6k5o by gregalotl@c.im
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@EUCommissionOK, but it is not sufficient to declare child safety trumps all else. - Child safety IS an indespensible essential that must be addressed to save abuses & death- The right to privacy IS ALSO an indespensible essential to save abuses & deathYou cannot and must not make achieving either ascendent over the other, but you MUST find solutions that maximize BOTH!For example, privacy preserving age verification that works on-device to send an age verification token that varies each time it's used (like Aegis' 2FA code generator) but doesn't leak/reveal identity. Or, perhaps identity is revealed only below an age threshold, so no identity implies old enough - requiring one time visit to trusted party (police) with phone to calibrate and then use that as proof for other device use. I'm sure #eff will have some well thought out ideas around this.Under an umbrella of 'online safety', Child protection advocates and privacy advocates must work together for an equitable solution.
(DIR) Post #B4AyLVhWEFcQpoxwB6 by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hi @gregalotl! Thanks for sharing your views. Rest assured we are approaching this subject with the utmost care. Our post is about convening a panel of experts, whose role it is to advise us. Computer scientists, youth advocates, digital literacy experts, they all have a seat at the table. Regarding your thoughts on privacy-preserving age verification, you may find that the solution you are describing here is quite similar to the solution we are developing. Read more: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-makes-available-age-verification-blueprint
(DIR) Post #B4AyhmfpnxpzqVname by EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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Hello @itsFriday! We are not proposing to exclude young people from the internet. Our post is about convening a panel of experts, from youth advocates to computer scientists, to weigh different options. The next panels will actually focus on the advantages for minors in accessing online spaces, and how to prevent risks and harms without losing these benefits. We are all about a balanced approach, and listening to the voices of experts.
(DIR) Post #B4BivCa9NxNRr5Tal6 by gregalotl@c.im
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@EUCommissionThanks for your (unexpected) response. I'll take look at your link.On a slight tangential note. Is the EU working at pace to stop Google from implementing their gatekeeper role with developer verification. It's an overbearing, monopolistic play, in the guise of 'tightening security'. There are many alternatives that are less monopolistic. Perhaps EU could force Google to offer equivalent powers to EU nominated trusted app repositories, such as F-Droid & Obtanium & the alternate OS providers, Lineage & Graphene. That way, security would be preserved. The nominated entities could then maintain developer privacy & not charge (or just charge minor admin costs)
(DIR) Post #B4C2PWzHytGIxTPUtE by nictakiego@mastodon.com.pl
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@EUCommission get out with chat control and age verification without addressing privacy concerns. Age verification only with cryptography and Zero-Knowledge Proof.
(DIR) Post #B4DSxLhBGN53kTgcE4 by fediway@fediway.com
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@EUCommission a firther step could be building an infrastructure for European platforms to prevent this. We are on it: open source, transparent and mad ein Europe. Reach out anytime for further infos!
(DIR) Post #B4HWROvgse4OxeKnui by HatkeshiatorTND@annihilation.social
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@EUCommission NIIIIIGGGGGEEEEEER!!!!NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER! NIGGER!
(DIR) Post #B4HWSAeJSYgqxeZbUW by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
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@EUCommission Children should never be subjected to proprietary software and SaaSS.It really is part of development for children to be able to handle such a weak insult leveled at them.
(DIR) Post #B4IiyHM7SAvpdU6GRc by Dragofix@veganism.social
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@EUCommission @gregalotl I really hope it's not one of these Meta's "youth advocates" or "experts".. https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings