[HN Gopher] Arroyo (YC W23) has been acquired by Cloudflare
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Arroyo (YC W23) has been acquired by Cloudflare
Author : necubi
Score : 73 points
Date : 2025-04-10 14:12 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.arroyo.dev)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.arroyo.dev)
| Hansenq wrote:
| Yoooo congrats Micah!! Joining Brandon and Brayden as W23
| acquisitions by Cloudflare!
| esafak wrote:
| Congratulations to Micah's team.
|
| To everyone else: does CloudFlare have a good reputation for
| maintaining open source acquisitions?
| necubi wrote:
| (Arroyo founder here)
|
| Cloudflare has a strong tradition of open source, even for core
| parts of their product, like workerd
| (https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd), and also maintains a
| bunch of key infrastructural libraries like quiche.
|
| They aim to compete with their global infrastructure and
| network and not with restrictive licenses.
| gnfedhjmm2 wrote:
| Can you explain why you have such a bad perception in the
| Open Source community if this is true? To me it seems
| calculated to raise your valuation.
| justmestanding wrote:
| God no, baselimehq, they didn't even communicate to users that
| were degrading the product gradually, filtering and aggregating
| features broke until it was unusable. If existing customer then
| jump ship before they kill it slowly
| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| for how much?
| rebanevapustus wrote:
| What does Arroyo have that Materialize or Feldera do not?
|
| It seems that Arroyo is a strict subset of those.
| theLiminator wrote:
| Curious what you mean? (I'm not affiliated with any of them,
| just been looking for a fast/low-latency/high-throughput hybrid
| batch/streaming query engine for a while).
|
| Been struggling to find anything that looks mature. Ideally
| something with a full python dataframe based api.
| rebanevapustus wrote:
| That's Feldera for you. It has a full blown SQL Api.
|
| Materialize is cool as well, but is sorta hostile to self-
| hosting.
| brandonb wrote:
| Congratulations!
| jeffchao wrote:
| Congrats Micah! (Did my part on LI :) ).
|
| Interesting to see where this integrates and how it will boost
| streaming at Cloudflare.
| moonikakiss wrote:
| Is streaming into Iceberg / R2 catalog going to become a
| priority?
| prennert wrote:
| Cloudflare seems to be the only company in the world where sales
| does not want to speak to you. So if Arroyo becomes part of the
| Cloudflare Enterprise offering, dont get your hopes up to be able
| to use it. Except maybe if you are already a Cloudflare
| Enterprise customer.
|
| I have tried now for over a month to open an enterprise account
| with them, no luck yet. I filed tickets, called their hotline,
| but I just cannot get through to a sales person.
|
| Are there any alternatives out there that provide a baseline of
| support and allow sending PHI data?
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| We use cloudflare, and i am wondering why you would want to
| talk to a salesperson, over just using their console yourself.
| otterley wrote:
| To get private volume or contractual pricing, for one.
| prennert wrote:
| In their terms [0], Cloudflare says
|
| 2.2.1 Restrictions
|
| Unless otherwise expressly permitted in writing by
| Cloudflare, you will not and you have no right to:
|
| (i) use the Services to store or transmit any "protected
| health information" as that term is defined in 45 C.F.R.
| 160.103 without Cloudflare's written consent;
|
| We plan to process PHI data, so I need written permission. It
| turns out that I need an enterprise license (it took a long
| time to get to that realisation, because it is not
| documented, and ticket lead times even with a business
| account are weeks). The catch is, you cannot just upgrade to
| enterprise, you need to talk to someone.
|
| [0]: https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/terms/
| aly_cabral wrote:
| Reach out to me (aly@cloudflare.com). I'm sorry we let you
| down. I'm sure I can help.
| dknecht wrote:
| Sorry about that experience. Can you email dane@cloudflare.com
| to figure out what happened
| amirhirsch wrote:
| The whole Hacker News support thing gives good dev vibes but
| we had a support ticket for over-billing go unanswered for
| months (01288863) despite email pleas to a salesperson and
| then the ticket was closed without response. Made it
| impossible for me to convince my org to continue using
| Cloudflare.
| stusmall wrote:
| That's wild. I checked my inbox and they are definitely in
| there with the regular scrum of sales drones sending spam. I
| wonder what happened and I wonder how I can do the same.
| amendegree wrote:
| I guess they laid off too many sales people
| no_wizard wrote:
| I have heard this many times about Cloudflare. Its very odd how
| (seemingly) dysfunctional their sales pipeline is.
|
| It should be really easy. All their competitors make it easy,
| anyway. Not sure whats going on here.
|
| Thankfully for _most_ situations their self serve options are
| clear and transparent I 've found, but the fact remains that
| sometimes you need that enterprise agreement like in your case,
| or in cases where you want to do tenant software (IE building
| on Cloudflare as core infrastructure for a SaaS)
| mentalgear wrote:
| What's the intention of these for profit companies "buying" open-
| source repos? Can they even be really bought ?
| salomonk_mur wrote:
| They buy a company, not a repo.
|
| They buy the team, the know-how, the customers, the brand. The
| repo is open source up until now, but they can create a paid
| offering with premium features over the open source code. They
| can also offer specialized hosting for that solution (which is
| a very clear advantage of joining with cloud flare)
| trollbridge wrote:
| They might be able to relicense the codebase for people who
| don't want (for example) to comply with the GPL. Although that
| doesn't seem to be Cloudflare's motivation for this
| acquisition.
| ambrood wrote:
| Congrats again micah! Also Iceberg catalog on R2 without needing
| to spin up additional services... lets gooooo
| tiffanyh wrote:
| Cloudflare, amazing services ... unreachable customer support or
| sales (even for paying users).
|
| It's so bizarre because it's like their product is made by one
| (amazingly good) company and their support/sales by another
| (amazing bad) company.
|
| You have to escalate on Discord, HN, etc to get even the most
| simple of customer support or sales questions _acknowledged_.
|
| It makes me super uncomfortable being a paying customer, relying
| upon such support & sales.
|
| @eastdakota, if you're reading this - please create your own
| personal cloudflare (paid account) to experience this. It does
| seem like the first week or so of being a customer, support
| prioritizes your questions. Wait a month or so, then reach out to
| support or sales - and see how you won't even get an
| acknowledgment. I only say this as a paying customer rooting for
| your company success.
| throitallaway wrote:
| Our Cloudflare CSR is laughably slow at responding to things.
| Once it took 3-4 months and I was wondering if he still worked
| there.
| decremental wrote:
| I downgraded a $250/mo plan but it bugged out, re-added it to
| my account, and charged me. Couldn't remove it. Contacted
| support and after a month of no response they closed the
| ticket.
|
| Created another ticket. After a week they apologized and said
| something about having a very high volume of support requests.
| dm03514 wrote:
| Congratulations, second streaming acquisition in recent memory,
| after benthos.
|
| Arroyo on paper looks amazing, high performance, advanced
| streaming primitives like windows and joins.
|
| I think / hope the foundations provide a long term alternative to
| flink and spark streaming, the extremely heavy jvm-based
| incumbents.
|
| I only have ~5 hours of experience with it so def an ultra
| beginner, but it was very UI configuration heavy when I tried it.
| API based config was mentioned but didn't slot into the way
| $dayjob provisions so it was a very hard sell.
|
| In response to this I created a lightweight high performance dev-
| centric streaming solution powered by duckdb, it's getting a
| little traction
|
| https://github.com/turbolytics/sql-flow
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| Iceberg has been one of the most popular feature so far:
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| https://sql-flow.com/docs/tutorials/iceberg-sink
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