[HN Gopher] Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Leba...
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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says
leaked report
Author : zhengiszen
Score : 50 points
Date : 2024-10-24 19:23 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| vaidhy wrote:
| What are the repercussions? If there is no reaction from the
| international community, did this action really happen?
| tstrimple wrote:
| Every reaction from the international community is vetoed by
| the United States of America. A veto power it has used on
| behalf of Israel to protect it from international scrutiny more
| than it has for literally any other country on earth. Over half
| of all US vetoes in the Security Council have been on behalf of
| Israel.
|
| https://globalaffairs.org/bluemarble/how-us-has-used-its-pow...
|
| > The U.S. has vetoed resolutions critical of Israel more than
| any other council member - 45 times as of December 18, 2023,
| according to an analysis by Blue Marble. The U.S. has vetoed 89
| Security Council resolutions in total since 1945, meaning
| slightly over half of its vetoes have been used on resolutions
| critical of Israel. Of the vetoed resolutions, 33 pertained to
| the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories or the
| country's treatment of the Palestinian people.
|
| > The first time the U.S. used its veto to support Israel was
| in September of 1972, when it vetoed a resolution that called
| on Israel to cease its aggression in Lebanon.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| There's a mechanism for bypassing the Security Council by the
| GA during deadlocks caused by vetoes (Emergency Special
| Sessions convened under Uniting for Peace--5 of the 11
| convened so far have concerned the Arab/Israeli conflict,
| including one of the two that is currently open, which is now
| on its 27th year), but no combination of countries otherwise
| willing to act to constrain the conflict has the capacity to
| effectively act against both Iran and its proxies and the
| Israel (directly) backed by the US.
| NomDePlum wrote:
| Did what action actually happen? Those reported in the article?
| If so, clearly yes. They've been widely reported and confirmed
| repeatedly. The initial international outrage appears to have
| subsided. I'd guess partly mainly due to the obvious support of
| the US, who gave up on being outraged when it became obvious
| there was no one listening on the Israeli side.
| neonate wrote:
| https://archive.ph/o7atF
| Sabinus wrote:
| "Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human
| shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several
| Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate
| its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety.
| Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks,
| have unanimously refused."
|
| Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let
| Hezbollah fire rockets into Israel unimpeded? What is the point
| of the troops being there?
| nielsbot wrote:
| It's all on Wikipedia:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Interim_Force_i...
| pimpampum wrote:
| Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels
| under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't
| kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the
| claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can
| not take anything they say as serious.
| mlazos wrote:
| I love how their rationale for blowing up a hospital is that
| there were tunnels underneath it. As if that's justification
| for blowing up a hospital.
| Sam713 wrote:
| Not disputing general truthfulness of Israeli government, but
| specifically as to the latter two examples you listed: A)
| There is no direct evidence that Israeli government publicly
| stated that babies were beheaded. That claim came from a
| single journalist, spread like wildfire on social media (as
| did tons of videos and footage of the attacks), and was
| exacerbated by a statement Biden made.
|
| B) there is very credible evidence that rape did occur as
| part of the atrocities Hamas committed on Oct. 7th attack.
| https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-sexual-
| violence-...
|
| Just wanted to point that out, because regardless of the
| moral standing of either side, I think the facts do matter if
| there is ever going to be a resolution. Obviously the actions
| committed by Hamas do not absolve Israel from following
| ethical rules of war, and there are plenty of issues with how
| Israel is waging war in the current conflict as well; for
| example using machine learning algorithms to track targets
| with what appears to be a reckless disregard for non-
| combatants: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-
| gaza/
| Qem wrote:
| https://www.oct7factcheck.com/index
| sterlind wrote:
| Unifil has been there since the '70s, apparently. Their role
| was to monitor Israel's withdrawal and to assist the Lebanese
| government, to patrol the Blue Line and various humanitarian
| tasks. They're not a counterinsurgency force or an occupying
| army - as I understand it, they're a tripwire for treaty
| enforcement.
|
| Also, you don't get to shoot through human shields. It's still
| immoral to kill noncombatants, just as it's immoral to hide
| behind noncombatants. You don't gain moral high ground, you're
| just sinking to the level of the enemy.
| NomDePlum wrote:
| There's absolutely no evidence of UN forces being used as human
| shields. There's clear evidence, including that cited in the
| article, of the situation being very different from the
| claims/report of the IDF.
|
| The most credible reason for Israel wanting Unfil to vacate is
| less impartial observers.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| The most credible reason for Israel to want UNIFIL to vacate
| is that UNIFIL's mission is to help keep unauthorized
| military forces out of South Lebanon, and Israel's invasion
| force is decidedly unauthorized.
| Qem wrote:
| Given they targeted observation posts and monitoring
| cameras first, I suspect they don't want witnesses
| observing war crimes. Local witnesses are outright killed
| or smeared with accusations of belonging to militant
| groups, as it's being done to journalists in Gaza. They
| just put targets on the backs of the few surviving
| journalists that are still documenting the siege of
| northern Gaza. See:
| https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-
| story/2024/10/24/wh...
|
| That trick is harder to pull when the witnesses are
| external UN observers.
| Qem wrote:
| At this point the country should be suspended from UN, like
| Apartheid SA was before, in 1974. See
| https://www.nytimes.com/1974/11/13/archives/south-africa-is-...
| libertine wrote:
| The UN is in need of serious reform.
|
| For example, it's hard to comprehend how a country like Russia
| is not suspended?
|
| A country which signed the Charter, and is member of the
| security council, is trying to annex a country of 40 million
| people, claiming they and their culture don't exist.
|
| They don't even hide the genocide intent, and yet Guterres is
| visiting the BRICS conference in Russia legitimizing the
| regime. Despicable.
| throw310822 wrote:
| Whatever Russia is doing pales in comparison with what Israel
| has done for the past 70 years.
| Teever wrote:
| And if you compare what Russia has done in the same time
| frame?
| throw310822 wrote:
| Oh well. We certainly didn't help it doing it or gave it
| diplomatic support, in any case. Besides, ethnic
| cleansing and genocide are their own special kind of
| evil- I'm not sure Russia is guilty also of that.
| leoh wrote:
| Part of the story here, really, is that the UN has been co-opted
| by Hezbollah in Lebanon.
|
| Another part of the story is: where was the UN when Hezbollah
| launched rockets from Lebanon this week?
|
| Unless the UN starts doing serious counter-terrorism, Israel is
| not going to particularly care about their presence in Lebanon.
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