[HN Gopher] Winged lions through time and space
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       Winged lions through time and space
        
       Author : gulced
       Score  : 15 points
       Date   : 2024-05-05 00:23 UTC (22 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu)
        
       | contingencies wrote:
       | For context, Victor Mair is a leading figure in Chinese history
       | and linguistics. Recently there has been a raft of interesting
       | re-interpretations by academics outside of China (in this case
       | Taiwan) chipping away at the modern mythology of a unified
       | Chinese history which is overtly pushed by Beijing against the
       | scientific findings of academics, who in China are pressured not
       | to publish materials revealing complex intercultural or non-
       | Chinese heritage in border regions (source: personal statements
       | by actual academics, 20+ years in the country).
       | 
       | For example, in the southwest we have seen the term China itself
       | come under reconsideration by other respected linguists as a term
       | potentially utilised by India to refer to a tribal federation in
       | the Yunnan-Guizhou-Guanxi area known as Yelang.
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelang
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_China#Names_in_non-Ch...
       | 
       | Further, mtDNA evidence has confirmed matrilineal migration from
       | India/Myanmar toward Yunnan and Sichuan that does not fit with
       | the official narrative of 'civilisation came from north China and
       | spread south' (my paraphrasing).
       | 
       | The precise origin of rice agriculture, the foundational
       | technology of Asian civilisation, is hotly debated, but only
       | within river systems effectively encircling southwest China which
       | therefore was likely a major conduit through which such
       | technology was shared (India, China, Southeast Asia inclusive), a
       | situation that is not well researched for political reasons.
       | 
       | Art history however confirms interesting things like the fact
       | that stilt houses (such as are popular in tropical regions of
       | Asia and frequently co-occuring with intensive rice agriculture
       | which effectively allowed and defined high population density and
       | thus power-projection capable Asian civilisations) were first
       | documented on stone carvings in tombs of Sichuan and evidence
       | currently supports the spread of the same southward along with
       | other technologies (such as lacquerware) roughly concurrent to
       | the defeat of the Shu kingdom of Sichuan by the Han (~316BCE).
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shu_(kingdom)
       | 
       | It also confirms much later significant overland connections
       | (~1000CE) from the Pala Kingdom of Bengal with the Nanzhao
       | Kingdom of Yunnan for example through stone carved Hindu
       | grottoes. (See also
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%E1%BB%B9_S%C6%A1n for a well
       | evidenced nautical thrust of Indic culture on China's doorstep)
       | 
       | What is often misunderstood by casual historians is the extent to
       | which the premodern area was wild jungle. A partial translation
       | of mine goes some way to explaining the situation ~1000CE at
       | https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Manshu/Chapter_7 but earlier
       | situations are hinted at through the flowery language of the
       | Shanhaijing ( _Classic of Mountains and Seas_ ) which effectively
       | asserts much of the Sichuan basin to be uninhibited tropical
       | jungle with elephants, tigers, dense vegetation and bird life.
       | 
       | Short version: We know only a little about what actually happened
       | in border regions, but it's more important and more complex than
       | people give it credit for, largely due to recent political
       | meddling and socio-historical quirks affecting academic focii.
       | Every instance of academic inquiry in to our shared heritage in
       | this area deserves to be supported. On the Persian note, few
       | people recognise the prior significance of Farsi in regional
       | diplomacy, that muslims in western China derive their religious
       | vocabulary from the Persian tradition, or that Zheng He (much
       | lauded nautical explorer of Southeast Asia and Africa in the Ming
       | Dynasty) was a eunuch culled from the abortive Muslim dynastic
       | ruling family of Southwest China descended from the Emir of
       | Bukhara in Turkmenistan who had accompanied the Mongol Horde on
       | their conquering of China to usher in the Yuan Dynasty. Ahh yes,
       | Chinese history. Not so Chinese after all.
        
         | B1FF_PSUVM wrote:
         | > chipping away at
         | 
         | I've come to see that as a continuation of war by other means,
         | to coin a phrase. Large empire A chips away at the unity of
         | large empire B, by encouraging its fragmentation (i.e.
         | supporting any B fishes that want to be the largest in a
         | smaller pond.)
         | 
         | E.g. the russians complain of this:
         | https://en.topwar.ru/235582-russkie-sami-budut-rvat-sebja-sv...
         | 
         | One of these days I ought to read Chesterton's take,
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Napoleon_of_Notting_Hill
        
           | 082349872349872 wrote:
           | I had _tried_ to do some joining instead of splitting, in
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40167667 , but nobody
           | else wanted to play.
           | 
           | Anyone? Ei, rebiata, how about "V nebe polnochnom, nebe
           | vesennem (clap,clap,clap,clap) deep in the heart of Texas"?
           | Texan, texan, texan girls       You take my soul       Texan,
           | texan, texan girls, my baby       Give me give me only love
           | 
           | Lagniappe:
           | 
           | US (1991): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilK39iSOVVU&t=67s
           | 
           | USSR (1985):
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVyG0-x_9wI&t=2424s (scroll
           | back to 38:45 for the two-schoolgirls-in-a-trenchcoat whose
           | getaway he's covering)
           | 
           | good that kids in both countries had the habit of not giving
           | valid information to people who have no business getting it!
        
       | 082349872349872 wrote:
       | As long as Supremacist elements among the Griffons aren't
       | planning an invasion of Equus, all is well, and maybe Harmonism
       | as a political system may prevail:
       | https://equestriaatwar.wiki.gg/wiki/World_Map_and_Geography
       | 
       | (sure, the lore is darker than MLP, but at least it isn't W40K
       | dark)
        
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