[HN Gopher] Portal (2021)
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Portal (2021)
Author : Kye
Score : 112 points
Date : 2024-02-14 04:19 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (macintoshgarden.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (macintoshgarden.org)
| Kye wrote:
| Here's the post where I found this with bonus video of it in
| action: https://dialup.cafe/@vga256/111926765062980053
| cstuder wrote:
| The Digital Antiquarian has written a long article on the game
| and links to the C64 version if you want to play it for yourself:
| https://www.filfre.net/2014/11/portal/
| jhbadger wrote:
| The author of this later published it as a novel, because while
| the C64/Apple II/DOS/Amiga/Mac version was presented as a game,
| there really wasn't much influence from the user -- it was more
| akin to modern visual novels rather than adventure games.
|
| https://openlibrary.org/books/OL10384355M/Portal
| miroljub wrote:
| > Your provider (Microsoft Corporation) does not have access to
| this website. Contact the staff per electronic letter via support
| at macintosh.garden if you believe this to be a mistake or
| otherwise an error
|
| What a dick move.
|
| No, I don't work for MS corporation. I'm fucking using a cheap
| Azure VM instance running OpenSSH as a socks proxy. Otherwise, I
| would have to access it through my https-man-in-the-middle
| corporate firewall.
| Kye wrote:
| I'm surprised you encounter few enough blocks for this to stand
| out. Scrapers and nuisance bots are rampant on cloud hosts, so
| lots of sites block their IPs.
| miroljub wrote:
| Honestly, not that many. I have been blocked so far only on
| some video streaming platforms. Most of "normal" sites seem
| not to care.
| bogantech wrote:
| > No, I don't work for MS corporation. I'm fucking using a
| cheap Azure VM instance running OpenSSH as a socks proxy.
| Otherwise, I would have to access it through my https-man-in-
| the-middle corporate firewall.
|
| Download it on your personal machine then
| tempodox wrote:
| I thought I might be able to run this with Mini vMac, but I have
| no idea where to get a ROM image. Why can't it be legal to have
| ROM images for these obsolete systems downloadable? It's not like
| Apple could lose anything by it.
| bogantech wrote:
| Google "Mac Plus ROM" and it's one of the top results...
| Kye wrote:
| The game itself is a booter according to the person who put
| this together, so you don't need the OS.
| classichasclass wrote:
| Yes, but you'll still need the Toolbox ROM.
| wildrhythms wrote:
| This site can't be reached.
| digger495 wrote:
| And please do play it. It's excellent. I have the PC port
| somewhere.
| spookybones wrote:
| Unfortunately, the newest (beta) version of the MiniMac emulator
| doesn't work for my silicon Macbook Air.
| bobsmith432 wrote:
| > Your provider (M247 Europe SRL) does not have access to this
| website. Contact the staff per electronic letter via support at
| macintosh.garden if you believe this to be a mistake or otherwise
| an error
|
| What? I'm just on ProtonVPN.
| chongli wrote:
| The Macintosh Garden is a jewel of the internet. I'm upset to
| hear so many people have it blocked for them.
|
| This game is also hosted on archive.org [1]. If the Garden link
| is blocked then you may or may not have better luck downloading
| from there. I would be interested to know if archive.org is
| blocked for anyone.
|
| [1] https://archive.org/details/portal-1986
| classichasclass wrote:
| I enjoyed Portal on the C64, so much so that I actually wrote Rob
| Swigart when I was toying with making a recreation of the virtual
| world it depicted. He thought it sounded like a fun project and
| even sent me a copy of the book. Probably should dust that idea
| off sometime.
| amiga386 wrote:
| Title should be Portal (1986)
|
| The fact is was made available on a website in 2021 is neither
| here nor there. The game itself is from 1986, and needs to be
| distinguished from Portal, the incredibly well known 2007 video
| game.
|
| From the title alone, a casual reader is more likely to think the
| 2007 game was remade in 2021
| Kye wrote:
| The convention is to put the date of publication of the
| submitted thing. In this case, the archive entry. I like the
| think people can work out pretty quick that an ancient
| hypertext game isn't a modern 3D puzzle game.
| amiga386 wrote:
| That's because what is submitted is usually an _article_. The
| thing being linked, the thing of value to the reader, is a
| news report or opinion piece created in that year.
|
| In this case, it's irrelevant that a game-wiki added this
| 1986 game to their site in 2021. There are other websites
| that catalogued the same game in a different year. What
| matters to the reader - what they get when they click the
| link - is an adventure game called Portal from 1986. Hence
| why "Portal (1986)" would be a more honest title.
|
| People can also work out quickly that they got conned by a
| clickbait title, but they only find out _after_ clicking.
| They 'd rather not be conned at all, the link title should be
| honest.
| Kye wrote:
| "conned"
|
| There's no deception here. Just a disagreement over
| notation. I don't think someone comes in expecting a quirky
| puzzle game and is aggrieved to find a different quirky
| puzzle game.
|
| If it bugs you that much, talk to whoever changed the
| title. I submitted it without a year because I didn't know
| it was from 2021.
| amiga386 wrote:
| I speak only for myself, but I clicked with expectations
| of something relating to the famous 2007 game.
|
| I have been conned, and I am aggrieved. Hence why I'm
| wasting my time here trying to get it put right.
|
| This is what clickbait is.
|
| If I see a headline "Ronaldo signs for AC Milan", and I
| click it and it's Ronaldo Munck (a sociologist unrelated
| to the world-famous footballer), he signing for delivery
| of an air conditioning unit at his home in Milan, not
| entering into a contract with the world-famous Italian
| football team... I was duped. Conned. Swindled. The title
| made implications that weren't met, and my time was
| wasted.
|
| Be honest with prospective readers. Call it Portal
| (1986). The 2021 has nothing to do with anything, and
| just lays the groundwork for hoodwinking.
| Kye wrote:
| Okay. Tell it to whoever changed the title, or email the
| mods to make your case (bottom of the page). That's a
| pretty high level access! So someone with more clout than
| either of us felt 2021 was right (and I tend to agree but
| don't care either way). That's on top of it being added
| to and voted out of the second chance queue on to the
| front page without a year.
|
| You're making your case in the wrong place to the wrong
| person and going against what seems to be a strong multi-
| tier consensus that it's fine.
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| There's no consensus, I also think this is ridiculous. At
| the very least, remove the (2021) like all the other
| software links on HN.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| > I speak only for myself, but I clicked with
| expectations of something relating to the famous 2007
| game.
|
| Mismatched expectations, by themselves, do not make a
| "con" or "hoodwink." Those require intent. Calling the
| headline "confusing" or "misleading" is fine, but, given
| that the norms here is to put the year of publication of
| the linked page, assuming intent to mislead is a bridge
| to far.
| nox101 wrote:
| I loved this game/novel. It really was more of a novel than a
| game but it worked really well. I played alone in my quiet
| apartment so I really did feel like the main character.
|
| In the game (yes this is explained on the site), you're an
| astronaut who arrives back on earth 100yrs after you left. You
| find no one is on earth. You find a single active computer
| terminal which you use to research what happened. You eventually
| discover an AI which helps you and "generates" most of the
| narrative. Since in real life, you are at a computer using this
| terminal, you're the main character in that sense that you're the
| astronaut.
|
| It's also interesting because because it came out in 1986 so it's
| idea of what a future computer terminal would look like, what
| services it would offer, etc are all shaped by what was common in
| 1986. There were no web browsers in 1986. There was Compuserve,
| GEnie, BBSes, stuff like that.
|
| Also, I'm not sure the Mac version is best. I'm pretty sure I
| played on an Amiga which is at least color (Mac didn't have color
| til 1987)
|
| https://www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php?id=856
|
| Not that color is important for the game, but it is at least a
| more "modern" terminal than monochrome and so fits the theme a
| tiny bit better.
|
| Randomly, I remember a minor character in the story had otter fur
| on her head and down her back because genetic engineering had
| gotten to a level that made that easily possible.
| axiomdata316 wrote:
| Would love to play this on an emulator hosted on something like
| Archive.org.
| Kye wrote:
| It's an early example of hypertext, so naturally someone made a
| Hypertext Markup Language version.
|
| https://web.archive.org/web/20070208002752/http://portal.sto...
| gs17 wrote:
| Sadly, once you get far enough in (the end of Day 6 is
| entirely missing), a lot of the links are broken. Kind of
| fitting, but it does make it harder to read.
| throwway120385 wrote:
| This game seems to be a lot more like the game Duskers in concept
| without the command-line control of drones that make that game
| more like survival horror. Some unknown cataclysm has befallen
| all of humanity and as the sole survivor you have to piece
| together what happened by going from wreck to wreck collecting
| logs.
| CottonMcKnight wrote:
| A big part of my childhood was playing black & white games on the
| Mac: the MacVenture games (Deja Vu, Uninvited, Shadowgate); the
| World Builder and action games from Silicon Beach (Enchanted
| Scepters, Dark Castle, etc.); and the early Sierra adventure
| games (Space Quest I-III, Kings Quest I-III).
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