[HN Gopher] Understanding the world science fiction convention
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Understanding the world science fiction convention
Author : cstross
Score : 78 points
Date : 2024-01-26 11:39 UTC (1 days ago)
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| Jiro wrote:
| The same lack of controls that let social justice stack the
| awards in most years let the Chinese do it this time. It's just
| that this time the people who stacked the deck are people you're
| allowed to oppose.
| bigbillheck wrote:
| > let social justice stack the awards
|
| Going back the last ten years or so which, say, Best Novel
| winner do you think was undeserving and was only there because
| of "social justice"?
| ncallaway wrote:
| The problem wasn't the voting, the problem was the inexplicable
| dropping of nominees (literally inexplicable, as they have
| provided no explanation).
| senkora wrote:
| I think HN may be interested in another recent instance of the
| Hugo awards running into difficulties because of its rules:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies
|
| TL;DR: A conservative block of voters swept the nominations for
| certain categories. At final voting, members voted to not give
| awards at all in those categories.
| TwentyPosts wrote:
| Is there any summary of what happened from the side of the
| proponents? Given Wikipedia's track record when it comes to
| certain topics, it'd be very nice to have some points of
| comparison here.
| gred wrote:
| https://monsterhunternation.com/2015/04/06/a-letter-to-
| the-s...
| Arn_Thor wrote:
| You think it's biased because it's using words like "right-
| wing" and "anti-diversity"? I've usually found such terms to
| be right on the mark, even if some don't like it pointed out
| TwentyPosts wrote:
| I assume that "right-wing" and "anti-diversity" are correct
| labels here, that's not really my problem. It's frankly
| less about bias, and more about the fact that the Wikipedia
| article is pretty sparse, and all I could see is the link
| to Correia's blog.
|
| This is completely disconnected from my own politics,
| really. I don't need to read articles on how a "right-wing
| voting campaign got owned at the Hugo awards". That story
| writes itself. The other side of the story is more
| interesting.
| Arn_Thor wrote:
| Thanks for explaining your reasoning. That sounds more
| reasonable than I'd assumed. I stand corrected
| jtr1 wrote:
| IIRC they swept because Hugo membership is open and they made a
| coordinated effort to join and sweep those categories. The idea
| of a coordinated anti-diversity effort pissed off a lot of
| people. For a few friends of mine who are lifelong sci-fi
| nerds, it was motivation to finally join Hugo so they could
| vote "no award".
| p0w3n3d wrote:
| Fun fact: antipope is not an anti-catholic name, according to the
| site (https://www.antipope.org/charlie/old/antipope.html)
|
| "What sitename do you want?" he asked.
|
| I'd been posting on usenet under the alias "AutoPope --
| pontifications by email". (If you don't know what the long word
| means, go look it up.) So I said, "How about autopope.uucp?"
|
| "Okay." Hic. Burp.
|
| And the next day, I was the somewhat bemused owner of a site
| called antipope.uucp
| Boogie_Man wrote:
| Historically being an antipope didn't mean that you were anti
| Catholic, it meant you believed yourself to be the true Pope in
| opposition to the Pope in Rome.
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope
|
| My fun fact: Some antipopes resided in Avignon France, and a
| (delicious) wine from that region (allegedly, I'm not a wine
| guy) is called Chateauneuf-du-Pape (House of the New Pope) for
| this reason.
| WBrentWilliams wrote:
| I've seen more than a few of these kerfuffle happen now. Other
| commenters have mentioned other times in other directions that
| the voting has come out weird.
|
| All I can say is that while yes, these awards do matter, they
| don't have to matter as much as you think. At best, all the
| outcome tells you is what someone else thinks is worth reading.
| Consider it a starting point. It follows that any given list of
| nominees is way more important, in terms of gathering a list of
| books with neat ideas and execution, than a list of winners.
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