[HN Gopher] The Art of Electronics (2015)
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The Art of Electronics (2015)
Author : teleforce
Score : 368 points
Date : 2023-12-23 21:23 UTC (1 days ago)
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| iamcreasy wrote:
| Meta: I hope in the near future every book will come with its own
| tuned LLM that can answer questions specific about a particular
| section/problem of the book. Answer of the model should account
| for prior asked questions, and preferred learning method - just
| like having access an instructor or TA when enrolled in a course.
| ikari_pl wrote:
| it's called the author /jk
| LordShredda wrote:
| Like an online forum?
| mhh__ wrote:
| ChatGPT was honestly already this for a sufficiently popular
| book/topic but they've managed to lobotomize it as of recently
| so it takes a lot more coaxing to actually get to the point.
| iamcreasy wrote:
| I was thinking multi-modal, and feedbacks that are very
| specific. For example, building circuits from components and
| having the model tell you what you did wrong and suggest
| improvements.
| regularfry wrote:
| This is already doable with a PDF, RAG, and (optionally) a
| local LLM. Might just give that a go, actually.
| geepytee wrote:
| Please do it!
| whartung wrote:
| Please explain how to do it!
| progbits wrote:
| I've read the second edition together with the student manual
| (https://learningtheartofelectronics.com/) which has additional
| explanations for some tricky concepts plus extra exercises.
|
| I can really recommend it as a starting point from no/minimal
| knowledge to having a good overview of the key concepts.
|
| It doesn't cover (at least the 2nd ed didn't) fancy digital stuff
| (modern microcontrollers, USB, FPGAs, etc) but there are great
| free online resources for that.
| mafuyu wrote:
| Years ago, I had the lovely opportunity to take the course
| associated with the student manual at Harvard Extension, taught
| by the author, Tom Hayes. I was a little high school brat, so
| Tom probably does not have fond memories of me, but I loved
| that course, and it set me on the path to becoming an embedded
| engineer. If you're in the Boston area, consider taking the
| course via Harvard Extension!
| iseanstevens wrote:
| Yes 100% agree! If I remember, there were two courses, one
| analog and one digital. Maybe it was one for both but in any
| case well worth it!
| cushychicken wrote:
| Best electronics textbook ever written, without exception.
|
| Highly recommend buying the paper edition.
| nappy-doo wrote:
| This book was pivotal for me.
|
| In grad school, my advisor recommended this book, saying, "it
| will be right up your alley." I bought the second edition, and it
| was. It is truly a graduate level course in circuit design. I
| started reading this book (2nd edition) front-to-back, and when I
| finished it, I started again. It helped me innumerable times when
| I quit grad school and entered industry.
|
| When the third edition came out, I was at Google in Cambridge,
| and Horowitz came to talk. I had bought a counterfeit copy from
| Amazon (by accident), and while he didn't sign it then, he did
| sign it later (when I got a real copy).
|
| Personally, I think it's worth owning both the second and third
| editions of this book. It is truly one of the best books about
| electrical engineering out there.
| dekhn wrote:
| The Horowitz talk at Google is excellent. He's been working on
| radio hardware and SETI for a long time...
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sImBlq542TQ
| wildzzz wrote:
| 2nd edition is the best one. Mine is falling apart at the spine
| but I love it
| lagrange77 wrote:
| Why (better than the most recent 3rd)?
| GeorgeTirebiter wrote:
| Yes, the 2nd edition (silver cover) is the best. The 'meat'
| in the 2nd edition, at least it seemed to me more practical
| stuff. The 'bad circuits' alone is awesome.
|
| OTOH, the "X Chapters" of the 3rd edition is one of those
| analog-guru secret handshake books where The Masters take
| the Apprentice deep into the bowels of kick-butt analog
| engineering. Where simplification are eschewed for the Real
| Answers. https://x.artofelectronics.net/
| kragen wrote:
| thanks for the tips! i had assumed the 3rd edition was
| better at least in the eyes of the authors
| CamperBob2 wrote:
| The 3rd edition _is_ better. It 's not even close. I have
| no idea where these posters are coming from.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I'm curious about the counterfeit thing. Did he identify that
| fact somehow and decline to sign it? Was there some sort of
| authenticity check built into the books?
| kadoban wrote:
| Amazon sells a bunch of counterfeit books. They're usually
| trivial to recognize by the shitty paper and printing. May
| not be obvious to many buyers, but the author of the book
| would typically be extremely familiar with what the official
| prints look and feel like.
| justin66 wrote:
| https://artofelectronics.net/the-book/counterfeit-editions/
| zerr wrote:
| As the author claims on his website, if the price is
| affordable then it is counterfeit. I hope the author
| understands that such affordable "editions" make the book
| accessible and popular outside the First World.
| justin66 wrote:
| Why lie? The author wrote nothing of the sort.
| zerr wrote:
| _Counterfeit Warning: December, 2015 -- buyers have
| reported poor quality copies (confirmed as counterfeit)
| being sold online at prices too low to be creditable.
| ..._
| squarefoot wrote:
| I'm not sure about the 3rd Ed, but the 2nd Ed had a much
| cheaper edition in a red soft cover and slightly smaller
| size, presumably cheaper recycled paper and no bells and
| whistles. It was distributed in India and developing
| countries and by all appearances it was totally legit, also
| accompanied by a label forbidding the sale in "western"
| world, where presumably they wanted to adjust prices to the
| higher income. Of course it was just a matter of time
| before it would land on Ebay sellers pages and elsewhere.
| There is where I got mine; items photos however showed the
| original so I was buying in good faith, although I should
| have recalled that old saying that if something seems too
| good to be true (had a very low price) it usually is. From
| what I can recall from my copy, there were no errors or
| omissions compared to the "official" one.
| zuhsetaqi wrote:
| Is there a German version of this?
| samstave wrote:
| The German is on page 9.
| the__alchemist wrote:
| "This page intentionally left blank" ?
| adrian_mrd wrote:
| "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
| https://artofelectronics.net/lebowski/
| butterNaN wrote:
| A gem of a book. Also check out "Bad Circuits":
| https://artofelectronics.net/bad-circuits/
| stoneman24 wrote:
| I liked the book but I would like a lot more detail on why the
| bad circuits are bad. Some are obvious but I thought a few were
| quite difficult to understand the issue.
|
| I can appreciate the point of view that self discovery of the
| answer is an important path to learning, but you never know if
| you are learning the correct lesson. I fortunately had a
| understanding chief engineer who helped guide me in my early
| career before I moved to software.
| Physkal wrote:
| Nice find. What would happen to the 1st circuit, isn't it still
| a parallel circuit?
| ramenbytes wrote:
| Assuming you mean the one labeled "voltage divider", the
| problem is that it doesn't actually divide voltage because
| the input and output are switched. The unloaded output
| voltage is the same as the input voltage.
| gnunez wrote:
| Thanks for your helpful comment! I was also struggling with
| the bad circuits voltage divider.
| nonrandomstring wrote:
| This was my bible as a teenager.
|
| I just pulled it down from the shelf to comment, and literally a
| bunch of wires and solder blobs fell out on my desk.
|
| Imho what sets it apart is chapter 10 (Minicomputers) which gives
| you enough to understand and build a simple microprocessor board,
| and chapter 12 (Construction Techniques) that sets you up to
| build things properly. Without this I wouldn't have progressed to
| Alan Clements' "Microprocessor Systems Design" and got my first
| 68000 design working.
|
| What a wonderful gift to the world. thanks mssrs. Horowitz and
| Hill.
| projectileboy wrote:
| I took a class where we used Learning the Art of Electronics
| (with AoE as a reference), and that book was also excellent.
| Class was taught by a former student of Horowitz and Hill, and
| one week the OG did the guest lecture! Unforgettable.
| pge wrote:
| I had the cool experience of taking that class from Prof.
| Horowitz himself. Not only was the class great, but there
| were lots of stories around the department of him solving
| electronics problems for other professors' experiments (my
| favorite was probably one where a team flew him out to CERN
| in Switzerland, expecting the problem to take a few days to
| solve. On the way in from the airport, Horowitz asked them to
| stop at the lab and show him what was going on. They said
| there was plenty of time and they would get started the next
| morning. Horowitz insisted, and they finally relented. They
| stopped at the lab and showed him the experimental setup and
| described what wasn't working. He grabbed a wire, soldered it
| in, problem was fixed, and he enjoyed a couple of days of
| vacation in Switzerland.)
| willis936 wrote:
| I went through every book store in Cambridge this past Fall
| and couldn't find it. I ended up having to order it from
| Cambridge University Press (located in the other Cambridge).
| When I looked through Harvard's course catalog for upcoming
| semesters it didn't look like AoE was part of the curriculum
| of Harvard's PHYS 123 anymore. It seems like such a shame. If
| I'm wrong someone please correct me.
| projectileboy wrote:
| The digital half of class is available via extension (which
| is how I did it) although it moves at half speed. And for
| some reason the analog portion hasn't been offered for a
| couple of years.
| begueradj wrote:
| Indeed, I just checked it online and it is definitely a very
| informative book.
| davrosthedalek wrote:
| For me, it's probably the best physics book ever written.
| Something you can actually read from cover to cover.
| fisherwithac wrote:
| Just picked up a copy of this, and have had the hands-on course
| book on my shelf for a little while now.
|
| Really started to start digging into the former! Any tips for
| getting through such a massive tome, or is it really something
| you can just run through front to back?
|
| And for the hands-on lab course book, are the parts lists
| provided still the best way to get the components, or have there
| been better ways since its publication? Some of the prices of the
| tools are pretty daunting.
| ramenbytes wrote:
| If you can find a ham radio fest or swap meet near you, it's
| possible to find a lot of different components and equipment
| cheap, though sometimes in less than ideal condition. Look for
| surplus departments at local colleges, labs, companies, etc.
| too. Find out where e-waste goes, and whether you can salvage
| from it before it gets hauled away. Lots of stuff likely gets
| thrown out that either still works, can be fixed, or can be
| used for parts. Downside is you have to plan projects around
| what you found instead of just buying parts after picking a
| project.
| atribecalledqst wrote:
| Non-EE here, but I went through a bit of the lab course as a
| hobbyist.
|
| Unfortunately a lot of the parts on the lab course's list are
| end of life now, and it's not always clear what you can
| substitute them with. There aren't always replacement parts
| with the exact same specs on digikey. I did source a couple
| parts through eBay.
|
| Additionally, there are parts that aren't in the BOM that are
| used in the lab course. An early one has you doing a test
| against a black box with _something_ inside it, and the book
| only tells you later what was supposed to be inside it. I think
| there 's a basic control theory chapter at some point, and
| there are parts in that chapter that weren't in the BOM.
|
| Ultimately, I got frustrated with the book continuing to ask me
| to use stuff I didn't know I was supposed to have, and gave up.
| It got annoying having to get partially through a chapter,
| order something, wait for it to arrive, then continue. Maybe I
| would have stuck with it if I'd checked up-front what I was
| expected to have for all the chapters, and got EVERYTHING in
| advance. (but again I think it's going to get harder and harder
| to actually buy what's in the BOM as time goes on)
| spiritplumber wrote:
| The sacred Jedi texts!
| spiritplumber wrote:
| This was the one non-religious thing I was allowed to read
| during my fundie upbringing period. It kept me arguably sane
| (I'm an EE now). Biking to the one reachable Radio Shack to get
| parts and taking apart toys. Good times.
| allenrb wrote:
| Holy crap, this is maybe the scariest thing I've read in a
| week. You must have known the book really, really well. Glad
| you had an escape!
| uxp8u61q wrote:
| (2015) I guess. Or maybe (1980)...
| vichle wrote:
| Is this a good book for beginners? What other books are good for
| electronics beginners? Preferably cheaper than this... :)
| comboy wrote:
| No, I don't recommend it if you are starting out. Unfortunately
| I don't have a good recommendation, but when starting out
| modern electronics is not unlike lego building. There's more
| protocols than analog signals.
|
| If you stay in electronics you'll end up with this book sooner
| or later though.
| sitkack wrote:
| https://old.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/wiki/education
|
| I am a huge fan of the Forrest Mims books and "Practical
| Electronics for Inventors".
|
| AoE is great, but not a beginners book. More important than
| any book is building and understanding circuits.
| tmalsburg2 wrote:
| It's good for beginners (also a great reference). However,
| stuff gets serious pretty fast, and the reader is expected to
| put in serious time and effort.
| nhatcher wrote:
| "Practical electronics for inventors" is what you are looking
| for. I have both books and I am a physicist. It's not that TAOE
| is not for beginners, it could be if you really want to put on
| the effort and are decided to go deep.
| ansc wrote:
| I just really, really wish there was a student companion
| book. Maybe I should pay someone to help me with exercise
| questions. Electronics is hard!
| Nahtnah wrote:
| I've been burning alot of time learning electronics. This book
| isnt too bad for beginners, but I get way more understanding
| out of Behrad Razavi's stuff, he has lectures on youtube as
| well as a book which has way more worked examples. OTOH this
| book introduces more intricate concepts much more early which
| can be good for motivation if you dont let yourself get stuck
| on totally understanding them. For example he goes through a
| BPT schmitt trigger before he even shows the small signal model
| for BPTs.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQDfVJzEymI
| _whiteCaps_ wrote:
| Bebop to the Boolean Boogie
| doubloon wrote:
| honestly in the post-internet age i would just get on Adafruit,
| they have so many tutorials and projects that are perfect for a
| beginner.
|
| as far as a book, i do agree with @nhatcher , i loved Practical
| Electronics for Inventors but that was before the internet
| really took over.
| vichle wrote:
| Do they have stuff that doesn't rely on microcontrollers? I'm
| a software engineer since 10 years, I don't want to
| copy/paste some poorly written C code, I want to solder stuff
| together :)
| RossBencina wrote:
| After Dick Smith's fun way books as an early teenager AoE was
| my first "real" electronics book. It was certainly helpful for
| practical advice, but I did not find its presentation of
| circuit theory at all clear (the hand-wavy analogy about
| transistor man comes to mind). At the time I had a music degree
| and very little undergraduate mathematics and only high-school
| physics.
|
| More recently I've been dabbling with electronics again.
| Someone recommended Malvino's "Electronic Principles" (I bought
| the 5th Edition second hand), which I found much clearer for
| circuit theory than AoE. Sedra and Smith will probably be my
| next purchase but I doubt it should be your first.
|
| Also, "beginner" could mean a lot of different things. And
| perhaps more important than where you're at, where do you want
| to get to? There's a world of difference between (1) soldering
| together someone else's design, (2) being able to understand
| why someone else's design works, (3) being able to piece
| something together from common sub-circuits, (4) produce your
| own design from scratch. And all of these will vary depending
| on the circuit type: analog/digital/RF etc.
| analog31 wrote:
| Reading some of the other comments, and my own experience, it
| might be a good book for someone who has _already_ spent some
| time playing with circuits.
|
| But that's not necessarily an unreasonable hurdle. After all,
| electronics is about something that happens physically, and
| maybe getting some tactile experience gets the right brain
| cells working to be receptive to the theory. Or maybe it's just
| that the enjoyment of the physical stuff supplies the
| motivation to learn the textbook stuff.
|
| I might think along similar lines if someone asked for a good
| textbook to learn how to play the cello.
|
| When I took electronics in college, from 1st edition AoE, I had
| already been tinkering with circuits for a few years. And
| playing the cello. ;-)
| belter wrote:
| Title should include 2015.
|
| Great work but be sure to check the extensive errata:
| https://artofelectronics.net/errata/
| doubleg72 wrote:
| Damn, thanks for pointing that out. That's way more than an
| acceptable number of errors for a book like this, imo.
| mat_epice wrote:
| 105 errata (pretty small ones) in a 1000-page book. For
| highly technical work, I'd say that's not too bad. Looking at
| the errata for Vol I of TAOCP, there's a lot more for a much
| shorter work (600 pages).
| kragen wrote:
| books that have less errors per page generally do not contain
| factual information
|
| of course many factual books have less _reported_ errors per
| page, but that 's not at all the same thing
| ruslan wrote:
| I suggest ARRL Handbook. It covers everything, from atom
| structure to FPGA programming, through antenna design,
| modulation/demodulation priciples and digital signal processing.
| The 2023rd edition counts six volumes.
|
| http://arrl.org/arrl-handbook-2023
| tshirttime wrote:
| Dense, wordy, incomprehensible. Phys123 alum here.
| contrarian1234 wrote:
| Yeah, I have no idea what's going on in the comment section.
| The book is incredibly inaccessible and at least 9 out of 10
| students aren't able to read through it
|
| I feel it's only praised bc it's comprehensive and historically
| important
|
| It's a horrible way to learn electronics
| thrtythreeforty wrote:
| This book is an _excellent_ discussion of electronics _once
| you have a working knowledge_ of basic circuits. The fact
| that they touch on so much in the book makes it useful as a
| "Wikipedia" starting point.
|
| I agree that you should not learn from this book from zero.
| The first few chapters attempt to be an intro but it's not
| intended to be a gentle introduction.
| scarecrowbob wrote:
| This year I started picking up on fixing analog electronics
| as an extension of my stage hand/ audio engineering/ etc
| work. It's fun and feels nice when I can actually fix
| something, plus it's a cash business.
|
| For instance, on my own I was able to identify a bad opamp
| on the in input section of a mixer and rework it (after
| replacing a bunch of electrolytics and a couple smd
| transistors, cause I am a novice at this kind of work).
| Still, I'm not totally a stranger to electronics.
|
| I started in on that book- I kind of agree with the
| preceding comments.
|
| I plan to come back to it, but I have been watching a lot
| of youtube, and that has felt a lot more helpful in a lot
| of ways. I mostly am interested in learning to reason about
| what is happening in analog circuits so I can eventually
| clone some instruments and signal processing- maybe I am
| not the audience for the book.
|
| Like Aaron Lanterman's lectures at Georgia Tech are feeling
| a whole lot more useful to my interests (granted, I am
| mostly trying to understand analog electronics because that
| is what folks bring me that need to be fixed).
|
| https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOunECWxELQSbOv3ekzu
| w...
|
| Similarly, following Moritz Klein's discussions has been
| quite helpful... the whole "here is what we're going to
| build" and then following through with things has felt very
| siilar to Ben Eater's series on microprocessors.
|
| Still, the chummy ivy-leage tone of TAE wasn't super duper
| fun for me. I will probably keep returning to it until I
| can get through it quickly, but for my purposes (and I
| suspect a lot of folks who aren't on an academic path) it's
| not maybe the quickest, strongest path to a lot of ends.
| tubetime wrote:
| a more useful book for audio electronics is _Handbook for
| Sound Engineers_ by Ballou. there are detailed
| discussions of common preamp circuits, equalizers, and
| that sort of thing.
| willis936 wrote:
| I find the style a bit rambly and even though it's long it
| doesn't spend too much time on most topics. It really shines
| when you're a practicing engineer 5+ years out of school and
| want something to explain how to whip up the circuit that you
| know you've learned exists in the past.
|
| It especially shines if you need the first principles of
| precision amplification.
| kragen wrote:
| it's neither comprehensive nor, as far as i know,
| historically important, but i've sure learned a lot about
| electronics from it
|
| i certainly haven't read through it like a novel, though!
| it's more like, read a few pages, draw a few schematics, run
| a few simulations, write a few pages of notes, repeat.
| sometimes the pages are pages i've read previously. plausibly
| i'll never finish the book, and that's fine with me
|
| i find it both more accessible and more reliable than
| commonly suggested alternatives like sedra & smith; what
| alternative would you recommend?
| tmalsburg2 wrote:
| How can it be dense and wordy at the same time? One is the
| opposite of the other.
| vojvod wrote:
| Terse and wordy would be opposites. Dense means thick with
| verbiage like a forest thick with foliage.
| annoyingnoob wrote:
| I had the second edition as a college text book in the early 90s.
| the__alchemist wrote:
| Great reference!
|
| I tried to read it through straight, but got pretty lost
| somewhere in the transistor section.
|
| The bad news: I still suck at electronics.
|
| The good news: I have this book on hand as a reference.
|
| For better, or for worse: You can get quite far these days being
| an IC baby. Connect pin A to pin B by apeing data sheet reference
| diagrams. Electronics-by-numbers, perhaps. So, for better or for
| worse, electronics fundamentals is only a hard-requirement if
| you're the one designing the ICs. (Even with RF, there are
| modules, and IC filters) You can likely think of several
| programming analogies.
| phero_cnstrcts wrote:
| So this is overkill if I'm only hacking around with sensors and
| iot devices?
| the__alchemist wrote:
| Probably. I think it's always nice to have an understanding
| of what's going on behind the scenes; this book more
| describes the circuits that make up the sensor and iot
| devices, for example.
|
| You can make practical devices by learning an EDA tool like
| KiCad, get familiar with how to choose parts, and get a feel
| for how to quickly/effectively extract the info you need from
| datasheets for various part classes.
|
| If you are looking to design those parts, you need the skills
| in this book.
| liendolucas wrote:
| I'm actually not surprised to see the counterfeit warning in the
| site.
|
| Last week I've ordered a book from Amazon Italy (A Little Java, A
| Few Patterns) only to receive what I do consider a very low
| quality copy of the book and somehow different edition despite
| having both the original and this "copy" same ISBNs:
| https://www.amazon.it/Little-Java-Few-Patterns/dp/0262561158 and
| here's the cover of the original one:
| https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262561150/a-little-java-a-few-p...
| Not only covers are different (the title in the copy is actually
| shifted to the rightmost part just as seen in Amazon which
| immediately makes you think about a counterfeit copy) but the
| quality of the paper, quality of the cover (both front and back
| cover bend) and print are different. It feels like the book was
| printed by a copy center.
|
| Taking a more detailed look at the back it turns out that these
| alternate versions are printed by Amazon in Italy (despite the
| fun fact that the very first page states that indeed the copy I
| have was printed and bound in the USA).
|
| So be _very_ careful to purchase books from Amazon, you can get
| surprises like these. I used to buy from book depository and as
| it was indeed another business from Amazon I thought that they
| would still offer quality books behind scenes, but it seems to be
| room for Amazon to now also get involved in the business of
| printing low quality books.
|
| While I was confirmed that indeed the copy I received is not a
| counterfeit I find it very dodgy for Amazon to do this without at
| least explicitly mention it in the site.
| snvzz wrote:
| I have a shady, p2p-sourced PDF, but will definitely get the
| actual hard cover once 4th edition hits.
|
| It is good.
| bhb916 wrote:
| I just confirmed - this book was my first purchase on Amazon. May
| 24th, 1999. I had just decided to go from undeclared to EECS at
| Cal and wanted to take a crash course in hardware. I read the
| book over the summer and never turned back.
| iancmceachern wrote:
| Love this book!
| bmitc wrote:
| It has been a long time since I last opened this book, which was
| a library. I recall being surprised by the glowing reviews since
| I was dumbfounded by the contents. It all felt very loosey goosey
| for me, like looking in grandma's cookbook. Did I miss something?
| Should I revisit?
|
| I found that I clicked much better with MIT's _Foundations of
| Analog and Digital Electronic Circuits_.
| kragen wrote:
| if you want to cook a good meal you're probably better off with
| grandma's cookbook than the second edition of pauling's
| _general chemistry_
| tubetime wrote:
| that is why the word _art_ is in the title. regardless, it
| gives you a good feel for how many engineers actually design
| stuff in the industry. the problem spaces aren 't fully
| constrained, so you have to fill in the gaps with experience,
| guesswork, experimentation, and (yes) art.
| bmitc wrote:
| Yes, I realize art is in the title and get the general
| sentiment. But this book is often proposed as a way to learn
| electronics from scratch. I'm not terribly sure it
| accomplishes that. My thoughts are that it's probably similar
| to the Feynman lectures: terrible to learn from as a first
| introduction but great once you have already learned the
| material.
| iNerdier wrote:
| I've been thinking about buying a copy of this but it seems like
| a pretty steep price to do in a whim. Is the third edition that
| much more necessary/ up-to-date than a good used copy of the
| second as a relative novice? Will I end up learning decades old
| things that are not relevant now?
| vasco wrote:
| As someone who took EECS and used many old electronics books,
| you don't need anything newer than probably 1980 to have great
| electronics knowledge.
|
| If you're interested in Analog (designing transistors in
| Cadence) and Digital design (making your own CPU in Verilog /
| VHDL), newer materials make sense because of improvements to
| processes for analog and FPGA capabilites for digital.
|
| For discrete electronics projects (learning about all the
| components and their uses) and understanding circuit design
| etc, anything old is as good as anything new.
| tubetime wrote:
| for analog IC design, i highly recommend the excellent
| _Designing Analog Chips_ [1] written by the person who
| designed the 555 timer. other books are more comprehensive
| and will give you all the theory, but this book is concise,
| practical, and free (at least for the pdf version).
|
| [1] http://www.designinganalogchips.com/
| atan2 wrote:
| There are books that should be used as references, and books that
| should be used to teach beginners. They are usually different
| books.
| willis936 wrote:
| I bought a copy of this in the past few months. I had my trusty
| AoE 2E but learned that 3E had expanded chapters on what's
| happened in the past 30 years in precision amplification. Turns
| out I was working on a schematic for a nanovolt meter (10 kHz BW,
| 1 kV isolation).
|
| I whipped out every trick in chapters 5 and 7. I transcribed the
| massive opamp tables into excel to get a lay of the land and was
| able to find even newer models that exceeded. I settled on
| OPA4189 for gain, OP224B for isolation, and OPA1633 for output
| driving / final gain. It's out to fab now.
|
| I initially wanted to use AD since they're the local guys and I
| like their style more than TI (who came off as a bit culty in
| their recruiting). Well all of AD's designs still in production
| for isolation are 5V supply max. What am I supposed to do with
| that? Analog inputs do best with bipolar 10V. I'm not eating into
| my noise budget and adding BOM/complexity because a vendor
| doesn't feel like making the high quality parts that they used
| to.
| kragen wrote:
| vintage nos analog devices parts on ebay when
| kragen wrote:
| people often ask why things like this get linked on the front
| page
|
| i suspect that in this case it's because two comments on the
| nand2tetris thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38735066
| recommended the book (which i remember because i wrote one of
| them)
|
| possibly if this thread is of interest to you, that one will be
| too
| tubetime wrote:
| don't forget that the 3rd edition has a separate volume titled
| _The Art of Electronics: The X Chapters_ which includes some
| really fascinating material i 've never seen anywhere else. a lot
| of practical design tips for working with real components along
| with some very advanced circuit designs. if you're already an EE,
| this volume is a great way to sharpen your skillset.
| artsi0m wrote:
| I used this book for studying for 3 semesters of university. I
| took Russian translation of 7 edition (second for English
| version) from uni's library.
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