[HN Gopher] Cars downloading text messages from phones doesn't v...
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       Cars downloading text messages from phones doesn't violate state
       privacy law
        
       Author : mario_kart_snes
       Score  : 49 points
       Date   : 2023-11-12 17:29 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | pvg wrote:
       | Discussed the other day
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38207744
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       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38197193
        
       | zugi wrote:
       | > The class-action "complaint alleges that the vehicle's system
       | downloads all text messages and call logs from Plaintiffs'
       | cellphones as soon as they are connected," the Ford ruling said.
       | 
       | This doesn't match with my experience renting cars. After
       | connecting Bluetooth for calls, I am specifically prompted as to
       | whether or not I want to share contacts or texts. Of course I
       | always choose "No". If you choose "Yes" to the question about
       | sharing contacts and texts, it seems hard to complain that the
       | car stores your contacts and texts.
        
         | dmitrygr wrote:
         | At least in android this prompt is relatively new (compared to
         | the age of this lawsuit). It used to show no dialog and just
         | give access...
        
           | BoorishBears wrote:
           | That sounds like your manufacturer did something weird, the
           | confirmation dialog goes back to some pretty old versions of
           | Android
           | 
           | https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/apps/Sett.
           | ..
        
             | dmitrygr wrote:
             | Sorry for me 2015 is "recent". I worked on android
             | 2012-2018.
        
               | BoorishBears wrote:
               | 2015 is just some arbitrary commit that touched the
               | message and was easy to Google: if you worked on Android
               | I'm sure you're handy enough with Gerrit to find exactly
               | when the message was added but afaik it dates back to the
               | earliest versions that supported this.
        
             | sheepshear wrote:
             | Looks like the request is qualified with "when connected",
             | which would not grant permission to store the data.
        
           | gamblor956 wrote:
           | This prompt has been in Android for years...At least as far
           | back as the Galaxy S1 and the Pixel 1.
           | 
           | The prompt is relatively new for iPhones though. I've had
           | plenty of rental cars where Apple users' entire phonebooks
           | had been uploaded to the car.
        
       | LWIRVoltage wrote:
       | Question: Does resetting infotainment systems and head units
       | clear the message history, or is everyone permanently unable to
       | remove the info car systems have grabbed?
       | 
       | I hope that this isn't a situation where you have no control, -as
       | that means most people, who don't know that cars do this-
       | wouldn't be able to do a thing even once informed- and are
       | vulnerable to data breaches, now and in the future as cars
       | storing various data expands.
        
       | akomtu wrote:
       | The data theft pyramid:
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       | Corporations stealing data from the people - business.
       | 
       | Governments stealing data from corporations - national security.
       | 
       | People stealing data from corporations - copyright infringement.
       | 
       | People stealing data from governments - treason.
        
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