[HN Gopher] Physicists generate the first snapshots of fermion p...
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Physicists generate the first snapshots of fermion pairs
Author : hhs
Score : 56 points
Date : 2023-07-06 18:15 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| DaniFong wrote:
| can anyone find the link to the paper? I want to see the actual
| images
| something168581 wrote:
| The paper is linked in a sidebar on the article itself, and a
| 1-second google of the title plus "PDF" resulted in an arxiv
| link.
|
| arxiv.org/pdf/2208.05948.pdf
| FredPret wrote:
| > "To get a decent view of their behavior, Zwierlein and his
| colleagues study the particles as a very dilute gas of about
| 1,000 atoms, that they place under ultracold, nanokelvin
| conditions that slow the atoms to a crawl. The researchers also
| contain the gas within an optical lattice, or a grid of laser
| light that the atoms can hop within, and that the researchers can
| use as a map to pinpoint the atoms' precise locations."
|
| This is so cool. It's unbelievable what's possible nowadays
| jug wrote:
| "I can ride my bike with no handlebars..."
|
| Nah, I'm not trying to be a killjoy or anything. This quote
| just reminded me of that song after so long of not thinking
| about it.
| warent wrote:
| I don't understand how is it possible that they can slow the
| atoms to a crawl and pinpoint their precise location. Isn't
| that a violation of the uncertainty principle? Sounds like a
| lot of certainty to me
| bowsamic wrote:
| The Heisenberg uncertainty principle indeed says that we can
| only achieve a position uncertainty of delta x >= hbar / (2 *
| delta p). However, this is of course a lower limit on the
| uncertainty of the position, and hbar is _extremely_ tiny. In
| practise, we have many other classical noise sources that
| limit us far before we can ever reach a point where we are
| Heisenberg-limited.
|
| The noise due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle would
| only become "visible" when all of the classical noise sources
| are reduced such that the classical contribution to delta x *
| delta y is less than hbar / 2. I don't think this experiment
| reached such levels of precision
| warent wrote:
| Ahh this makes sense. I wasn't entirely sure if that was
| actually how hbar/2 related to it, so this clarification is
| helpful, thanks
| [deleted]
| erikaww wrote:
| I am not educated about particle physics or whatnot, but isnt
| the uncertainty principle momentum and position cannot be
| both estimated to arbitrary accuracy? so one could estimate
| only one of them to arbitrary accuracy and then 1000
| particles increases the confidence of that position estimate?
| MengerSponge wrote:
| Position and momentum are not separate things that you can
| measure separately and recombine. They're deeply
| interrelated.
|
| You would improve your counting statistics somewhat with
| 1000 particles*, but basically you'd just resolve the
| Gaussian distribution more clearly. The uncertainty of the
| measurement comes from the width of the Gaussian, and it's
| not like measuring more points is going to somehow make
| that distribution skinnier.
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| *(a hilariously, impossibly small number in quantum world,
| where photons come in doses of 10^20/second, or electrons
| come as 10^18/second)
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