[HN Gopher] TikTok Pedagogy: Teaching Philosophy in 60 Seconds o...
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TikTok Pedagogy: Teaching Philosophy in 60 Seconds or Less
Author : Schiphol
Score : 45 points
Date : 2022-06-30 11:03 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| maartn wrote:
| What about all the data of your followers being stolen to get
| them distracted more than healthy? How does that fit into your
| philosophy? You're not an island.
| nathias wrote:
| "teaching" "philosophy"
| K0SM0S wrote:
| "in 60 seconds"
| citilife wrote:
| I didn't learn anything from reading this article that wasn't in
| the title. IMO it sounds like an advertisement. Didn't explain
| how they managed to relay the philosophy in 60 seconds or how it
| was structured. Didn't explain why this format was better than
| others, etc.
| posterboy wrote:
| Life lesson right there.
|
| Pressumably the article works under the same premise like what
| the tile promises: _(sometimes) less is more_. But "sometimes"
| was redacted in spirit of the article. I'm notbsure if that's
| intentionally a form of sarcasm, which is the good kind of
| sarcasm if it doesn't need to be marked to be recognizable.
| robonerd wrote:
| > _Didn 't explain how they managed to relay the philosophy in
| 60 seconds or how it was structured._
|
| The philosophy content on tiktok is as shallow and self-
| important as this article.
| akomtu wrote:
| TikTok's trying to whitewash its reputation?
| mr90210 wrote:
| I don't have a problem with the format, but in the midst of so
| many distractions within TikTok I wonder how effective these
| videos will be.
| wly_cdgr wrote:
| I'm only interested in learning philosophy in 60 years or more
| tmaly wrote:
| I have dipped my toe into teaching programming to beginners on
| Tiktok. But I have not gotten very far into it. There is a small
| audience there, but not enough to become rich or famous doing it.
| I think longer form video on YouTube still dominates the learn to
| program niche.
| dav_Oz wrote:
| > _To learn you've got to become excited by knowledge, obsessed
| with it, sometimes dangerously so, sometimes in ways that might
| border on compulsion, or even addiction. How else could someone,
| like me, make it through 7 years of graduate studies--3 of those
| with children--making, on average, just about $20,000 per year
| before taxes?_
|
| _To learn_ ... in the author 's specific environment. There are
| lot of imaginable ways or possible worlds where _to learn_ doesn
| 't mean to be _obsessed with_ it and _sometimes dangerously so,
| sometimes in ways that might border on compulsion, or even
| addiction._
|
| This sounds very tik-tok-like in itself where extreme human
| behaviours bordering on pathological get frighteningly
| "normalized" and even encouraged, an impression from my
| occasional uses/observations and talks with young people who use
| tik-tok frequently.
|
| I get it that often times lamenting about the hostile environment
| isn't productive either but taking "academic philosophy" into
| Tik-Tok imhv seems more like a desperate move in the context of
| how the OP's professional career went so far.
|
| Some people tolerate and even flourish under stresses under which
| others would break down and be left utterly debilitated. If
| someone makes it "through" it is often times hard or impossible
| to distinguish (survival bias) whether it is because of
| exceptional prowess and some resistance to the outside stresses
| or just some base level of skill but highly adaptive to the
| stresses of the outside environment.
|
| For example: the common thread in the Soviet-system in sports was
| that it physically and psychologically burned through vast
| majorities of pools of "talented" people and the ones who endured
| where not only gifted in regards to the respective disciplines
| but additionally above all else exceptionally good at coping with
| enormous stress factors not directly related to the sport itself.
| robonerd wrote:
| > _To learn you've got to become excited by knowledge, obsessed
| with it, sometimes dangerously so, sometimes in ways that might
| border on compulsion, or even addiction._
|
| You're taking the author at their word and criticizing this
| characterization of learning. But I think the author's claim is
| hyperbolic chest thumping and shouldn't be taken seriously. I
| doubt the author's thirst for knowledge genuinely borders on
| 'compulsion or even addiction'. That's ridiculous self-
| aggrandizement (which is normalized on TikTok, of course.)
| haswell wrote:
| > _I doubt the author 's thirst for knowledge genuinely
| borders on 'compulsion or even addiction'. That's ridiculous
| self-aggrandizement_
|
| I think there might be more to this than it seems at first
| glance. For many people, work is their addiction. Others, the
| acquisition of knowledge. Others still, Tik-Tok and social
| media. Less ideally, heroin and hard drugs.
|
| I recently listened to an episode of Andrew Huberman's
| podcast focused on addiction [0]. He interviews Dr. Anna
| Lembke, an addiction expert, and they explore aspects of
| addiction that aren't necessarily well understood by
| outsiders.
|
| The thing that stood out to me was their acknowledgement that
| most of us are addicted to something, even if we don't look
| at that thing as an "addiction". Some of us are addicted to
| things that are accepted by society, and some of us have
| addictions that are maladaptive. The mechanisms behind those
| addictions are often similar, even if the outcomes are quite
| different.
|
| I'm not making any comments about the TikTok format itself
| here, or his claims that one _must_ be addicted to have the
| drive to follow through on learning. But the idea that the
| author himself is addicted, and that some people do
| experience information /learning in this way does not seem
| very far fetched.
|
| The concern I have is with embracing the format. As we learn
| more and more about the addictiveness of social media and as
| our attention spans continue to shrink, I don't think
| embracing the format is a wise choice. But I totally believe
| someone can be addicted to it.
|
| - [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JLaF_4Tz8
| robonerd wrote:
| > _For many people, work is their addiction._
|
| Maybe for a _rare_ few, but generally, no. You might be
| highly work motivated, but rising to the level of
| addiction? That 's hyperbole, or you don't really have a
| good understanding of what real addiction entails. Somebody
| who is addicted will compulsively engage in that behavior
| even in the face of debilitating injury to themselves and
| those around them. Maybe you can make an argument about
| working too long and spending too little time with your
| family, but that's really milquetoast compared to real
| addiction.
|
| This tiktok philosopher isn't talking about real addiction,
| when they say 'addiction' they mean _' thing I like a
| lot.'_
| haswell wrote:
| > _That 's hyperbole, or you don't really have a good
| understanding of what real addiction entails._
|
| These are not my words, these are words from an addiction
| expert who works with "real" addiction closely. I'd ask
| that you consider the possibility that addiction is more
| complex, and not so easy to put in a clean "real
| addiction" box as may be popular to believe.
|
| > _Somebody who is addicted will compulsively engage in
| that behavior even in the face of debilitating injury to
| themselves and those around them._
|
| This is surprisingly close to exactly what I see from so
| many people in tech. They'll put their health severely at
| risk by neglecting sleep for work. They'll allow work to
| invade and permeate almost every aspect of their lives,
| and will rationalize it because it looks like success.
| They'll continue to push past their own limits for years
| on end only to find themselves deeply burned out
| requiring months if not years of recovery.
|
| I would be cautious about downplaying addiction to things
| we find acceptable just because we find those things
| acceptable. The results of acceptable addictions might
| not involve an overdose or some of the extremes of drug
| seeking behavior, but that does not make them any less
| addictive, nor does it change the fundamental mechanisms
| driving those addictions.
|
| Before discarding this perspective outright, I'd
| recommend spending some time listening to Dr. Lembke. I
| know she changed my perspective on this, opened my eyes
| to some realities that I was not aware of. A lot of this
| boils down to a conversation about dopamine, and is
| pretty fascinating.
|
| > _This tiktok philosopher isn 't talking about real
| addiction, when they say 'addiction' they mean 'thing I
| like a lot.'_
|
| What, to you, is "real" addiction? Just the ones that are
| maladaptive? Just the ones involving hard drugs? What
| happens when an adaptive addiction goes too far? During a
| time when scientists are having serious conversations
| about real addictions to things like...TikTok...why can
| we not consider that addiction is perhaps more than just
| the hard drugs that require rehab?
| pfortuny wrote:
| Yes.
|
| I thought I had an idea of what Aristotle was about. I had
| STUDIED several courses on Philosophy.
|
| Then I read him. The Nicomachean Ethics.
|
| Man, did he blow my mind.
|
| Same with Aquinas and Nietzsche.
|
| You cannot tik-tok a book.
|
| You cannot tik-tok the experience of watching a movie...
|
| EDIT: you can maybe transmit the urgency (anxiousness,
| whatever) about the _need_ to read them, but little more. That
| is the complicated aspect of humanities.
| _the_inflator wrote:
| I totally agree.
|
| I would even go further and say, if you switch modern
| learning over to TT, say 6 hours a day TT'ing, then you get
| exactly what the author linked here:
| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8393543/
|
| That's sort of ironic.
|
| Learning is tough, and TT won't change the way our brain
| works. Or put another way: if it does, it is not in our best
| interest.
| time_to_smile wrote:
| In many ways philosophy is the direct opposite of tik-tok.
| Lots of time pouring over challenging thinking and writing,
| it's not fun and sometimes not even pleasant. You stick with
| one thing for awhile, leave and keep coming back to it. Then
| you come across that one passage that, quite literally, can
| change your life. The one passage that really makes it all
| click and it sticks with you for a long time, you close the
| book and chew on it on for awhile, maybe days maybe years.
|
| Tik-Tok is an endless stream of "feels good" that never
| sticks. If you don't like a piece of content for more than 1
| second you can swipe and get a new piece. Tik-tok feels
| great, but never really will connect with you, never will
| leave you look up from the screen and thinking "wow, the
| world has changed for me".
|
| Tik-Tok will, for this reason, never be a learn tool.
| Honestly even youtube struggle with this. Learning means
| feeling dumb and climbing your way out. Tik-Tok is about
| blasting you with fun facts and insights that make you feel
| smart. A controversial take, but this is my problem with
| 3blue1brown. 3b1b creates some incredible content, but my
| experience is it excels at making you _feel_ like you 're
| learning. But you aren't really learning, it doesn't stick
| the way that slow reading and deliberate practice do. The
| feeling of 'ah ha!' but with out the actual work that makes
| that 'ah ha!' real. Like taking a helicopter to the summit of
| the mountain and rejoicing with the people who climbed it.
| kache_ wrote:
| Tiktok is great because they don't censor content like instagram
|
| inb4 they don't
|
| they do
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