[HN Gopher] Experiment: Pay students to tackle learning loss
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Experiment: Pay students to tackle learning loss
Author : doat
Score : 19 points
Date : 2022-06-20 16:21 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.newsnationnow.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.newsnationnow.com)
| Pasorrijer wrote:
| Only semi related, but when Dolly Parton noticed that her home
| town had 30%+ highschool dropout rates, she created the buddy
| program. Pair with a friend, and if you both graduate, you both
| get $500. Drop out rate dropped to 6%.
|
| Yeah incentives can be gamed... But if in the process of gaming,
| the students achieve the outcome, does it really matter?
|
| https://dollyparton.com/imagination_library/buddy-program/15...
| baskethead wrote:
| I think it's a good idea, but I also envision a lot of cheating
| just to get free money. If they can tailor this so that cheating
| isn't possible then I think it's a great idea for some areas of
| the country.
| okwubodu wrote:
| After a certain point, cheating at scale is just studying.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| The obvious solution is to pay everyone when they reach the
| achievement levels, not just the people who fell behind and
| then caught up.
|
| Having worked with kids before: Kids and young people _will_
| game the hell out of any incentive structure put in front of
| them with terrifying efficiency. If anyone gets the idea that
| they can make some money by falling behind and then catching up
| later, a significant number of students will start falling
| behind so then can execute whatever catch-up maneuvers get them
| their payout.
|
| So sidestep the issue completely and pay everyone when they
| reach the achievement threshold.
| rahimnathwani wrote:
| "pay everyone when they reach the achievement threshold"
|
| They're paying people for activity (input) not achievement
| (output).
| Proven wrote:
| oofnik wrote:
| This sounds like a fantastic way to smother creativity and
| imagination.
|
| Anybody who has ever worked on open source projects should know
| that incentives are not always additive.
|
| https://commoncausefoundation.org/michael-sandel-on-the-corr...
| neonate wrote:
| http://web.archive.org/web/20220620162254/https://www.newsna...
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| https://archive.ph/7lGoi
| skyfalldev wrote:
| Why would the site be blocked in the EU? GDPR?
|
| Edit: I used archive.org to read the article and copy-pasted it
| here:
| https://gist.github.com/SkyfallWasTaken/55b9787a7bda35f839a0...
| RektBoy wrote:
| Too dumb to setup cookiebar, I guess.
| collegeburner wrote:
| Setting up all the random shit gdpr requires (downloading and
| deleting data, protection officer blah blah blah) takes a lot
| more than a cookie bar. It's expensive and if the site
| doesn't make much money from europe, why the hell would it
| waste money on doing that?
| [deleted]
| feet wrote:
| Or too dumb to just not use tracking cookies in the first
| place?
| collegeburner wrote:
| I honestly feel like comments like this come from people
| who have never run a marketing team. Analytics cookies are
| very useful.
| feet wrote:
| Because server side tracking isn't sufficient? I've heard
| from numerous people that it definitely is. Tracking
| cookies are a massive privacy invasion for what is
| minimal, if any, benefit
| collegeburner wrote:
| Even if your site is set up well to support it there is
| objectively less data you get back. Like it's hard to
| figure out where are the trigger points that increase or
| decrease conversion all that stuff. Or if people leave
| and come back. And it's a lot harder to run your own
| analytics (coming from somebody who does) even if you are
| just hosting somebody else's solution.
| feet wrote:
| At that point what are you actually optimizing? If
| someone wanted to visit your site they would
| SkinTaco wrote:
| Too dumb to understand why so many websites use these :)
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