[HN Gopher] macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including ...
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macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the "trash can"
Mac Pro
Author : cywick
Score : 28 points
Date : 2022-06-06 20:51 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| cywick wrote:
| It's really disappointing how aggressively they have started to
| drop macOS support for slightly older Macs.
|
| Big Sur, which was released in Nov 2020, still supported the
| MacBook Air (2013) and the MacBook Pro (Late 2013). When Ventura
| is released only two years later, not even the MacBook Pro (2016)
| is supported, which was sold until Jun 2017. The fact that
| Ventura even drops support for a Mac that they sold until Dec
| 2019 (i.e., the "trash can" Mac Pro), is just mind-boggling.
|
| I understand that they want to transition away from Intel Macs as
| fast as possible, but deprecating these Macs so aggressively is
| really terrible, both from a sustainability perspective and a
| consumer perspective.
|
| I still keep a Mac mini (2011) around for guests to use for
| things that are not particularly sensitive (since it stopped
| receiving security updates a few years ago). It's not the fasted
| machine by any stretch, but it is still perfectly fine for
| watching movies, browsing the web, and anything else that does
| not heavily tax the CPU.
| redbell wrote:
| I own a Mac mini (late 2014) and it still run perfectly fine
| especially when I upgraded its HDD disk to an SSD, it upgraded
| automatically to macOS 12 Monterey and was hoping it will be
| able to upgrade to macOS 13 but unfortunately, it seems to be
| the end..
| devit wrote:
| Use desktop Linux, the only operating system that respects you
| and the usefulness of the hardware you own by supporting all
| hardware forever.
| lp0_on_fire wrote:
| Unfortunately this is not a solution for a large majority of
| people who a) don't know/care what Linux is (which is suspect
| is an even larger majority of Mac users) or b) know what Linux
| is but are locked into some piece of proprietary software that
| only runs on the commercial OSs.
|
| I'm not one to capriciously suggest government regulation but I
| think there is space somewhere for something that says if
| you're going to offer a general computing product for sale that
| you need to provide support for it (in terms of bug and
| security fixes) for n number of years. 10 years seems
| appropriate in my non-expert opinion.
| johndoe0815 wrote:
| Not quite... Linux has also deprecated and removed support for
| processor architectures and devices (though pretty obscure
| architectures and peripherals such as ISDN controllers) - see
| https://lwn.net/Articles/769468/
| ChildOfChaos wrote:
| Bit disappointed to see my iMac 2015 dropped.
|
| It's got an i7 running at 4ghz, I paid for the graphics card
| update to 395x and 32gb of ram.
|
| It still runs everything absolutely flawlessly. I have no plans
| to upgrade anytime soon. So hopefully will run the OS with a
| hack, as I don't see what this OS needs better specs for,
| considering i'm sure lower spec machines can run it, so it's just
| Apple cutting it off for being Apple.
|
| Else then I hope to still get quite a few years out of this and
| will just have to deal with not having the latest OS anymore and
| hope the apps I want/use will continue to run.
|
| Else it's back to Windows 10 for me, via boot camp.
|
| I paid over 2 and a half grand for this machine, I want a longer
| life out of it particularly is it runs everything so incredibly
| flawlessly still. It doesn't seem worth it to drop another large
| amount of cash on a new device, plus Apple don't even do the 27"
| anymore and i'm not sure I want to lose windows compatibility.
| [deleted]
| GiorgioG wrote:
| The end of Intel-based Macs is fast approaching.
| tromp wrote:
| I suffer from a similar issue. The current magic keyboards that
| Apple sells require MacOS >= 11.3 while my 2017 iMac is stuck on
| MacOS 10.15. As a result, the media keys on my new keyboard don't
| work.
| jiveturkey wrote:
| Does pre-2017 also mean pre-T1? TFA mentions T2 is "safe", and it
| was my first thought that anything pre-T1 was being nuked. Too
| bad they don't mention that at all. 2017-2019 does feel like the
| T1 era, roughly.
| cywick wrote:
| T2 is indeed "safe", but there is not a consistent pattern with
| regard to T1 and pre-T1 Macs:
|
| The MacBook Pro (2016, 4 Thunderbolt ports, with Touch Bar)
| does have a T1 chip and is dropped, but the MacBook Pro (2017,
| 2 Thunderbolt ports, no Touch Bar) does not have a T1 (or
| T-anything) chip and is still supported in Ventura.
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