[HN Gopher] YouTube is testing people now?
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YouTube is testing people now?
Author : ushakov
Score : 96 points
Date : 2021-12-24 15:25 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| peakaboo wrote:
| zeruch wrote:
| The sooner the adtech economy collapses, the better.
| csomar wrote:
| Youtube ads have reached the point of ridiculous. Many people, in
| the early days, moved from TV to Youtube to avoid ads. But the
| last time I used the apps (on the iPhone) to listen to a song, I
| had two unskip-able ads before and one later.
|
| Today, I bother with their HTML website on Safari (because of iOS
| ad block, it seems that I miss most of the ads) but their web app
| is shitty (and maybe being made intentionally shitty?).
| Scoundreller wrote:
| I'm struggling with html Gmail on iOS Chrome. It keeps jumping
| as I click on an email or category and clicks the wrong thing.
|
| Maybe for the past 3 months?
|
| I've got the same it's intentionally shittier feeling too.
| gtirloni wrote:
| YouTube Premium doesn't have ads. You get what you pay for.
| csomar wrote:
| Funny thing Youtube doesn't accept my money. It says my
| region is not supported for Youtube Premium. I would not mind
| paying 5-10 bucks a month for that, already does for Netflix
| and Apple TV.
| good8675309 wrote:
| $15 per month is a little nuts - I don't know anyone who pays
| for Youtube Premium - Though they piloted Youtube lite
| overseas for $5 per month but it's seems unlikely they will
| bring it to the states - If they do roll it out, I will
| subscribe
| plif wrote:
| Also includes YT Music, making it not much more expensive
| than other streaming music services if you're willing to
| use it over something like Spotify.
| ksec wrote:
| I really really wish I could love Youtube Music. But I
| just cant. It is even worst than Apple Music.
| plif wrote:
| I've been using it. It's gotten a lot better than when it
| first came out. Super annoying that they released a
| product that was far inferior (and probably still is
| inferior) to Google Play music and forced everyone to
| switch.
| ksec wrote:
| >It's gotten a lot better than when it first came out.
|
| Thanks. May be I will check it out again.
| npteljes wrote:
| It must vary between regions, it's 1790 HUF for me, which
| translates to ~$5.5.
|
| Also, why is it nuts?
| hatchnyc wrote:
| YouTube's premium ad-free option is probably the best
| subscription value I spend each month. I'd give up almost
| any other streaming service before it. There's tons of high
| quality documentaries, news coverage from all over the
| world, programming tutorials, and videos of cats.
| MBCook wrote:
| I do. Worth it to me to get rid of ads. Plus I like
| supporting creators without having to sign up for umpteen
| Patreons.
|
| And it's $12/mo from the site (not in-app).
| IggleSniggle wrote:
| I pay for YT Music. YouTube Premium is just bonus since I
| seldom use YouTube. YT Music is still not as good as Google
| Play Music was, but it's better than Spotify imho.
|
| Also, pretty sure I pay $10 not $15.
| rags2riches wrote:
| I started paying when my kids got into YouTube. It was
| either that or blocking it altogether.
| kristofferR wrote:
| Just VPN to India, you get 3 months of Premium for like $5
| in total. It works fine without VPN after the initial sign
| up.
| wayanon wrote:
| YT Premium gives me a lot - YT is transformed when you
| don't have ads, can have it playing in the background while
| on another app (there's a Picture in Picture beta I'm using
| at the moment which works great). Also downloads and Music.
| Shared404 wrote:
| If you're on Android, you get all of this with
| NewPipe[0].
|
| [0] https://newpipe.net/
| 5bolts wrote:
| it works everywhere you might want to watch youtube. xbox,
| phone, smart tv, computer, tablet, hell probably my old
| gameboy DS.
|
| guess it depends on how much youtube you consume.
| personally it was a no brainer.. less than an hour's worth
| of work a month to pay for it? now i only see ads when i
| get signed out of youtube.
| iscrewyou wrote:
| Quick note: $15.99 through in app purchase, $11.99 through
| the website.
| 8note wrote:
| YouTube premium removes one layer of ads. The content still
| has ads, but you stop needing to watch ads so you can watch
| ads
| npteljes wrote:
| Well it removes YouTube's ads, no? Of course it doesn't do
| anything about sponsors, etc.
| geranim0 wrote:
| oh please
| k8sToGo wrote:
| If you use YouTube enough that ads annoy you then just pay
| for YouTube Premium.
| bogwog wrote:
| uBlock is better, free, available in more regions, and
| you don't have to login to your Google account to use it.
| j1elo wrote:
| You only need to use YT a couple times to already be
| annoyed by the unskippable and numerous ads, plus inline
| advertisement, that your face will get slapped with.
| eulers_secret wrote:
| uBlock origin still blocks YouTube ads.
|
| Google is highly profitable, take the subscription fee and
| donate it to someone who will help people instead of just
| develop more sophisticated ads and ways to remove blocking
| from browsers...
| t-writescode wrote:
| LTT has said in one of their WAN shows? Or their
| financing show? That YouTube Premium members get them
| more money than ad watchers.
|
| I'm happy to help support YT creators in this way.
| literallycancer wrote:
| Don't use the official client. Problem solved.
| 3np wrote:
| Can someone expand on what this is? How does it come up for you
| and how often? I watch YT on the regular, combination of
| different platforms and entry points. Definitely not always with
| adblock. Wasn't even aware this was a thing until now.
| sebow wrote:
| bogwog wrote:
| There should be a law that requires any data collecting companies
| to list the inferences that they are planning to make from the
| data they collect. Once the study is complete, they should be
| required to destroy the data and inform customers.
|
| A question like in the OP seems like it's trying to figure out
| your level of education, which is something that could be used in
| discriminatory ways, not to mention that it's not something
| everyone wants to share.
| 999900000999 wrote:
| I pay for YouTube music for this very reason. Comes with ad free
| YouTube. I actually respect Google isn't a charity,but I value my
| time enough to not waste it on ads.
| zo1 wrote:
| I _pay_ for YT music and just a few weeks ago started getting
| some sort of ad inside the YT music app. It 's getting
| ridiculous.
| t-writescode wrote:
| I would like to know more. I haven't experienced this. I've
| had YT Premium ever since it was a thing and use YT Music
| relatively regularly.
| deadalus wrote:
| Youtube Alternatives :
|
| Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo,
| Vidlii, DLive, Triller
|
| Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube
| newsclues wrote:
| If I want to host my own niche curated video community, where
| do I start?
| sschueller wrote:
| PeerTube, https://joinpeertube.org/
|
| You can use an instance that let's you upload or you can run
| your own on a host somewhere and federated it.
| WJW wrote:
| S3? Not even joking, a static website with some html5 video
| tags would bring you quite some way.
|
| Depending on how worried you are about potential load and/or
| egress costs, you could go for somewhere with cheaper egress
| as well if you want.
| capableweb wrote:
| S3 will be way more expensive that it has to be. Instead,
| I'd opt for using a dedicated server from Hetzner,
| unlimited traffic for 0 EUR/GB (besides the monthly cost of
| the instance that is).
| bushbaba wrote:
| Their dedicated servers will be more expensive than s3.
| their storage boxes are much cheaper.
|
| You'd also want to compare google drive, Dropbox, box,
| Amazon drive (Amazon photos), iCloud storage, and
| backblaze
|
| https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box
| bogwog wrote:
| I wonder how far you could get with Github pages? It's
| probably againsttheir ToS anyways, but I bet you could
| host a decent amount of (efficiently-encoded) videos
| before they kick you off.
| deadbunny wrote:
| These are alternatives to hosting, not viewing. Hard to switch
| platforms if the people making videos I want to watch are not
| on the new platform.
| bogwog wrote:
| Invidious lets you watch youtube videos without using
| Youtube. It even lets you subscribe to channels, and import
| your subscriptions from Youtube.
|
| Theres an app for Android and Win/Mac/Linux called Freetube
| that uses Invidious.
|
| There are a lot of free Invidious instances out there. You
| can also self host one if you want.
|
| Use it! And if you can, donate to one of the public Invidious
| instances.
| btdmaster wrote:
| mpv combined with yt-dlp works quite nicely too, just paste
| the URL as an argument to mpv and it handles downloading on
| its own. Primary issue is that yt-dlp is highly sensitive
| to shadow API changes so rolling release is needed for it
| to be useful, though this can still be done with custom
| repositories on distros outside of e.g. Arch.
| ajb wrote:
| My guess is these are from Google Consumer Surveys, which anyone
| can use. So google itself probably doesn't give a sh*t about this
| data, although I wouldn't bet that they don't track it.
|
| [Edited to add]
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| Although GCS is intended for boring stuff like which marketting
| logo or slogan is best, you can actually use it for any question,
| that doesn't violate the terms. In the past I've used it for joke
| surveys as well as academic research. Although I haven't done it
| for a while in case some turker flags me and gets my whole google
| account banned.
| tanduv wrote:
| +1 I've previously got some of these questionable surveys from
| the 'Opinion Rewards' app and a few other spots on Google
| sites. Quite sure if you click on the [i] button (in OP's
| screenshot), it displays a blurb about the questions coming
| from a third party.
| [deleted]
| a5aAqU wrote:
| I wonder if it's to measure things like critical thinking skills
| and compare them with the videos people watch.
|
| The average American reads at 7th-8th grade level and might not
| know what "false dichotomy" means, so it could be useful data.
| It's also a logical fallacy, so it might give an indication about
| whether a person has been exposed to the ideas of logical
| fallacies.
|
| "People who aren't familiar with logical fallacies tend to become
| radicalized by YouTube in X months."
| bemmu wrote:
| Maybe there are questions where the value of learning a thing
| about the user for future ad targeting is higher than just
| showing them another ad?
|
| Reminds me of the time a dating company did research (maybe
| okcupid?) on the best question to ask for matching, and it was
| something like "do you believe in angels?".
| winternett wrote:
| These surveys on platforms are basically a way of evading the
| deep tracking they used to implement on their apps. Since app
| stores and device makers clamped down on app-based tracking,
| many social platforms lost their ability to track people deeply
| to better target ads, so now they do covert psychological and
| cultural profiling to get the metrics they want.
|
| It's also why many platforms are handicapping their web sites
| and why some only allow access through mobile apps, because web
| site interactions don't give them deeper tracking cues they
| want, like access to device cameras and microphones, without
| alerting users first.
|
| If you use TikTok or IG, you'll realize that whenever you're
| about to share something, your camera is activated, and it can
| capture a lot of details about you like your skin color, or
| snapshots of where you are... App makers have been over-
| reaching in privacy for ages now, and you're always giving up
| something personal for using any social service, whether it's
| your money, time spent watching ads, unrewarded labor in
| generating their content, or your privacy.
|
| I don't do any surveys, they're often driven by mis-guided
| objectives that don't help user experience at all.
| MandieD wrote:
| Thanks for reminding me to renew the bit of electrical tape I
| usually keep over the "selfie" camera (but had fallen off).
| calllr wrote:
| Someone needs a promotion at Google and this is the latest plot
| to get people to train a "new" and "revolutionary" AI?
| tupac_speedrap wrote:
| I never see these surveys when I browse Youtube on my PC but the
| bonkers shit they ask my Mum always amuses me, also Youtube is
| very picky about about the content that YouTube creators create
| but will happily bombard my Mum with gambling ads all the time.
| You can opt out for "less" gambling adverts but obviously algo-
| wankers weasel out of any responsibility so it probably won't
| work very well since it makes them less money.
| Veen wrote:
| > bombard my Mum with gambling ads
|
| I get loads of financial scams, especially crypto scams. It
| used to be Russian wife services and gambling. Probably because
| I turned off ad personalization for my Google account, so I get
| the lowest grade ad stock there is.
| snailmailman wrote:
| I've also turned off ad targeting and have experienced the
| same. Lots of scam ads, many of them for crypto. I've tried
| to report a few of the more blatant scam ads, but the
| reporting process is tedious and not worth wasting my time
| on. Like the "free fortnite v-bucks" at a sketchy site is
| 100% stealing your account right? Thankfully I don't see
| those very often so presumably google takes them down quick.
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| If she uses a PC you might be able to install uBlock for her. I
| never see ads on YouTube except for the mentions of sponsors
| that are part of the video.
| foepys wrote:
| I stopped using the official YouTube app when YouTube started
| to constantly show me literal porn as ads below videos. The
| images were distorted a little bit but you could clearly see
| what was going on. I wasn't able to report any ad and it kept
| happening, so I just stopped using the app and went full ad
| block.
| soperj wrote:
| You can opt out of all the ads just by using uBlock. I don't
| understand how people willingly go on the internet without it.
| kube-system wrote:
| uBlock only supports browsers
| jmchuster wrote:
| uBlock is supported on Firefox on Android.
|
| I'll mirror the parent's sentiment. It blows my mind every
| time i see someone else use YouTube and see ads.
| btdmaster wrote:
| NewPipe[1] works fine on Android.
|
| [1] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
| [deleted]
| toshk wrote:
| It boggles my mind how many scam ads are running on YouTube.
| Only ads I get are scams, make 5k a day, get rich quick with
| nft, fake investor ads etc. Google willingly make extreme
| amounts of money working with these scammers on the backs of
| ordinary people while already having billions. They are morally
| corrupt.
| newaccount74 wrote:
| How do you think Google got so rich?
|
| I'm pretty sure a significant fraction of Google's revenue is
| coming directly or indirectly from scammers.
| elcapitan wrote:
| Can you win a washing machine that plays video clips or why
| should anyone participate in those surveys?
| the-dude wrote:
| You are yoking, but I recently needed to visit a sewing machine
| shop and it appears there are sewing machines with Android UIs.
|
| And it was displaying a YT video.
|
| My sewing machine is decade+ old second hand I got for EUR 20,
| no YT.
| elcapitan wrote:
| It's only complete though if the washing machine is showing
| YT ads for washing machines.
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