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Also leaving Freenode: FSF, GNU, plus Linux and Python support
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Author : MilnerRoute
Score : 82 points
Date : 2021-06-13 18:39 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| hprotagonist wrote:
| #python's "departure":
| https://gist.github.com/bensimner/8939ba5c9640f7ad2a310ba7e2...
| NicoJuicy wrote:
| Jesus. As someone who used freenode a lot and still humps on it
| sometimes, it really hurts to see communities "burn" like this.
|
| It's immoral.
| geofft wrote:
| The community still exists, it's just on Libera. Same people,
| same channel, different network.
| NicoJuicy wrote:
| I agree, but my memories are still from irc ;)
|
| I'm glad they moved to libera, but this shouldn't have
| happened like it did in the first place.
| geofft wrote:
| Libera is an IRC network too! It's run by the same people
| who used to run Freenode! I agree it shouldn't have
| happened, but everything is intact _except_ for the name
| "Freenode." It's not like they moved to Discord or
| something (well, there is also a very large Python
| Discord, but the IRC channel is around too).
| SahAssar wrote:
| It's still IRC.
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| The pro wrestling fan in me feels like freenode is purposely
| playing the heel to make people like libera. No idea why they
| would do such a thing, except maybe to drum up interest in IRC
| again?
|
| But back in the real world. Some of the /. Comments are
| mentioning trademark infringement for seizing previously official
| channels. I wonder if any of the companies/orgs involved would
| care enough to bring their lawyers into it.
| kgwxd wrote:
| If so, it worked on me :) but I doubt it.
|
| OT but did you watch the Andre The Giant special too? I'm not a
| wrestling fan at all but what an excellent story.
| tptacek wrote:
| I'm sure it's not really the projects. I have it on good
| authority that these are all splinter groups of provocateurs just
| trying to make people believe that projects are leaving, in order
| to harm Freenode and, by extension, all of open source.
|
| Also, they must have hacked the FSF's web page. Can't see any
| other explanation for what's going on.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27299933
| pama wrote:
| The link clarifies that this is satire. Upvoted.
| nedbat wrote:
| I hope this is satire. I can assure you that the Python project
| moved to Libera.
| eptcyka wrote:
| Won't you need medical attention now that your tongue has
| pierced through your cheek?
| discardable_dan wrote:
| Having followed this all a little too much (with a big bowl of
| popcorn), I must say: I don't think the people leaving are doing
| so because of who is in charge (modulo random channel seizures).
| They're leaving because because they don't want to worry about
| who is in charge.
| bombcar wrote:
| Slash dot? That's not a name I've heard in years ...
| gigatexal wrote:
| lol what's left at freenode?
| Marqin wrote:
| forgotten znc sessions ^_^
| gerikson wrote:
| "Leaving" is a nice euphemism for "channel seized, group contact
| nicks k-lined, and ops handed over to random buddies of Andrew
| Lee".
| MaxBarraclough wrote:
| Perhaps I'm out of the loop but what does _k-line_ mean?
| canttestthis wrote:
| A type of IRC ban
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_operator#Ban_Types
| progval wrote:
| Note that in most modern IRC networks (such as freenode),
| klines are also applied to all servers, because it no
| longer makes sense to ban only from the local server.
| OrvalWintermute wrote:
| I think the whole situation reminds me a little of what happens
| with the monetization of OSS.
|
| Awesome developers create some OSS that catches on. They gain a
| huge amount of traction and goodwill. Monetization follows,
| forks happen. The OSS is forked into a crippleware "community
| edition", and a premium version.
|
| Except in this case:
|
| Numerous awesome folks create groups of communities on a
| service. They gain a huge amount of traction and goodwill.
| Rogue monetization effort follows, forks happen. Community
| flees a new not-so-benevolent dictator.
|
| Such a sad situation, particularly for the folks that invested
| so much time in nurturing these communities, and the platform
| itself.
| mulmen wrote:
| Is it sad? Or is it encouraging that people still have this
| choice? What if #python had been built on Facebook or Google
| Plus?
|
| #python didn't leave IRC, they are just on a different
| network. Is this not the value proposition of open,
| decentralized and self-hostable services?
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