Posts by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
(DIR) Post #APAdoIAThMT1Yzw21w by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-01T19:46:45.864922Z
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@realcaseyrollins @panamared27401 @sam Just don't confuse me for a Democrat, because I am not.I will however, use violence to protect my community, and myself from fascism, without hesitating. Dems still insist that racist cops will protect us, when in fact they are just an occupation force.We Keep Us Safe.
(DIR) Post #APEoFo8cicLIi3fNgG by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-03T20:18:52.210989Z
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@nuclear I'm going to donate to the project, now that I know those lines are in it!Thanks for pointing that out!
(DIR) Post #APEvuDVeVUSAezeaci by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-03T20:35:46.984723Z
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@nuclear You know, I did enjoy it! And since you're whining about it again, to me, I sent them another $5, for a total of $10 today.And by "cowardly cringe" you mean "not enabling right wing nutjobs having a platform", well, ok then.But, also good to know what music player to never bother with, as well. So, thank you for this info!
(DIR) Post #APExJrBgDrGUue6MvA by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-03T22:02:01.963162Z
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@nuclear well, when I get home, going to donate again: 20USD this time. For a total of 30 today :)I've got quite a bit in my monthly budget for donations...
(DIR) Post #APOuL0h8JBM3rjQ6uu by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T12:28:15.181316Z
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@sam to your question, here, though: simple.Violence is a tool, and all tools can be useful at times. The tool has no moral measurement, but the motivation does.
(DIR) Post #APOuL4QyPCnzSltGHg by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T14:04:17.120516Z
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@sam Which one? I laid out a perfect pre-world war example of when violence is a tool, that is used for positive moral reasons.Or, should the Deacons for Defense relied only on non-violent resistance, rather than violently opposing the Klan?
(DIR) Post #APOuL5GNK5vE2BwJP6 by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T15:00:13.756021Z
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@sam I did reply to that, as I said it's an unserious question, and has little to do with the fact that violence is a tool, that can be used for both amoral and moral reasons. Now, please reply to the serious replies I gave below (Or above, depending on how you see the thread).
(DIR) Post #APOuL5zOchw0Hp0GZs by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T15:43:51.205080Z
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@sam So, answer the question I posed:Should the Deacons for Defense NOT have used violence to repel the Klan from their community, or defend the Freedom Rides?Should the BPP have NOT used the threat of violence, to protect their community from police violence?If you refuse to accept violence as a tool, you are not a pacifist. You are just not a threat.
(DIR) Post #APOuL6fa5rg8OejxKa by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T15:56:56.335075Z
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@sam Ok, so should the people of #Ukraine just choose non-violence against the #Russian invasion?This is happening, today, right now.Should the trans people in Texas choose non-violence, and allow the Proud Boys to threaten them with violence, and to use violence to oppress them?Again, this is something happening today, right now.
(DIR) Post #APOuL80X7S24XvYCcy by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T16:09:49.304787Z
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@sam At its peak? Hardly.And you know why?Because we leftists, are backing up our comrades, with the threat of violence.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dallas-drag-brunch-texas-protest-b2155624.html
(DIR) Post #APOuL8i8VKuWj9x1ai by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T16:15:14.029333Z
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@sam Only seeing it where? In the US?Did you miss Italy electing a literal fascist? Or the fascist gaining power in Russia? Belarus?
(DIR) Post #APOuL9VlWobrD5Aewq by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T16:22:01.498615Z
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@sam Well, "the west" in general is just as imperialist as Russia and China are...And yes, violence is often needed to repel Western Imperialism.
(DIR) Post #APOuLALsP4IFohYHAm by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T16:30:14.286958Z
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@sam Yes, because tankies are well known for being opposed to all states, and are also well known for calling out Russia and China as imperialist states... lol.I thought I'd never use this word, but holy fuck you are either seriously undereducated on what political ideologies are, or you are wholly unserious.
(DIR) Post #APOuLBCLG0GERQ6Awy by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T16:42:21.297107Z
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@sam Imperialism is imperialism. How many coups do you think the US has done in other countries, in order to secure cheap oil?Shit, did you forget when we went against the UN, invaded Iraq, just for cheap oil? And in doing so, we deposed a dictator that the US installed for... Cheap oil?Hell, the US and Russia are engaged in a proxy war in Syria right now, with the people of Rojava caught in the middle.Does any of that justify Russian imperialism and genocide in Ukraine? No!But your position is that violence in community and individual defence is amoral is suspect, and the thing I *thought* we were discussing here.
(DIR) Post #APOuLBzyHTxYvLJoJ6 by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T16:53:34.646101Z
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@sam I don't think I ever stated, nor implied supporting Russian imperialism...Who is talking about "two wrongs" here? We are discussing the use of violence, or the threat of the use of violence being a moral choice or not, here.That said, of course, the US hardly has the moral high ground, in determining who is violating human rights. Shit, how many people in the US now lack basic human rights? We have the largest prison population in the world, while only having ~4% of the world's population. 1/2 of women in the US lack access to basic reproductive health care (Which is a universal human right, per the UN).Which, of course, boils down to the motive for the use of violence, or the threat of the use of violence.And yes, pepper spraying someone is a form of violence. Non-lethal, generally, but yes, violence. Just like punching a nazi is a form a non-lethal (Usually) violence.
(DIR) Post #APOuLCgri0Gr4NO4AK by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T17:02:05.110946Z
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@sam How does one engage in diplomacy with a fascist?How did that turn out in the 1930s? Or how did it turn out in 2014?You know what happens when you compromise with a fascist?You just become a little more fascist, yourself. Then, you compromise some more, and you become a little more fascist, still. Rinse, repeat, and you're ending up in a place where you are saying,"There's fine people on both sides...""If there's 10 people eating dinner with 1 Nazi at a table... You have 11 Nazis"
(DIR) Post #APOuLDPt0cHdK0S1L6 by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T17:15:59.001875Z
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@sam Appeasement and diplomacy didn't work in the 1930s, didn't work in 2004, didn't work in 2008, didn't work in 2020, and didn't work in 2022.What makes you think it will work now?Do I relish violence? No. But, I grudgingly accept that it's a tool, that we, the working class, must be ready to weild.Thank you for the suggestion for therapy. I've been in therapy for a while. In fact, the intro session I had, I let my therapist know,"I tend to not be a violent person, but will not hesitate to break a fucking Nazi's arms."She called that "Justified anger".Now, if you're wondering what prepared me for the use of violence, in defense of marginalized people, you can thank the United State Government, who trained me in the use of violence.As for being a psychopath? I dunno, I don't think you're qualified to state that, but the US government, my county, my state, and several others have determined I'm a level headed individual, to the point where I am free to carry a loaded firearm, sometimes even in sensitive locations, depending on what I'm doing. And my therapist knows, and has no concerns.I am still wondering what your suggestion for trans folk dealing with Proud Boys are, though... I suspect you're fine with trans folk being gunned down, as long as they were peaceful.
(DIR) Post #APOuLEEvwp7HsKKmuG by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T17:20:46.169198Z
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@sam Yes. The Proud Boys didn't show up for a peaceful demonstration, and they were only repelled by a group of armed individuals willing to use force to defend them.This has also happened with homeless people too. Armed people showed up, ready to do violence, to protect them from the state, in the US.
(DIR) Post #APOuLF8abtdUewNEem by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T17:23:44.422281Z
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@sam https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11158745/Rifle-wielding-Antifa-thugs-face-Proud-Boys-demonstrators-Texas-drag-brunch.htmlhttps://dallasexpress.com/city/armed-far-leftists-block-dallas-homeless-vagrant-camp-clean-up/Need more?
(DIR) Post #APOvsBytSypgNe77Me by ubergeek@pleroma.tilde.zone
2022-11-08T17:39:07.176752Z
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@threalist @sam Yes, I think it is ideologically consistent that imperialist states will do what they can, in order to expand both their sphere of influences and control and/or access to resources.And this goes for Russia, the US, and China, in case people get the impression I hold any love, for any state.