Posts by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
(DIR) Post #AWieVhK04KAhgMRjPs by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-15T00:34:31Z
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@kkeller Here's what I predict will happen to instances that federate with Meta (especially if the large instances do):their numbers will be dwarfed by even a fraction of the 2 Billion Instagram users that will immediately be able to log in.-Meta will continue to push their users the content that keeps them scrolling, engaged, angry(?), divided, etc like they have always done.-Whatever that garbage is, the Meta users will be more likely to boost it or comment on it, b/c that's what they're seeing-So, users on the fedi instance now essentially have a feed dominated by the Meta algo-Fedi users will begin to find they get more of that sweet dopamine engagement if they dance to the tune of the Meta algo-Fedi loses all appeal to the people that might have moved over (we will be told "it's just the same except harder to search and the UI sucks")-Meta quits the Fedi, Fedi is a ghost towntl;dr Meta is too big and will dominate the mind-space, ruining all the good vibes
(DIR) Post #AWieViYDUx8bUk6bDM by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-15T01:03:52Z
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@kkeller I mean, Meta has said they are going to, so I really think we need to be having these discussions at a large scale to get prepared. These companies can throw literally billions of dollars at crushing or buying out competition before it gets big enough to be a threat. (Heck, Zuckerberg et al have already gotten TikTok banned in places for essentially no reason!) And the article doesn't really explain why we should be optimistic; it's very hard to run a small email server that doesn't get flagged as spam by the major providers, and they note the history of XMPP. But I'm not as concerned about the survivability of "The Protocol" as much as the continued existence of this thriving, vibrant, and growing community - one that serves as an alternative to the Metas and Twitters of the world. It's taken years to get to this point, where Mastodon/the Fediverse are starting to enter into the public consciousness. But if we don't have a somewhat unified response if/when Meta arrives, this place will be a shell of itself within a couple years max, imo.
(DIR) Post #AWp7mt5Tdl0IiOxgqO by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-18T17:19:25Z
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There seems to be somewhat of a misunderstanding around here.Meta doesn't give a fuck about ActivityPub, the Fediverse, open protocols, you, your instance, the norms, the culture, any of it. Sorry to say it, but to believe anything else is wishful thinking. It's your ego talking. You're flattering yourself.To be fair, when you care deeply about something, it's hard not to convince yourself that everybody will understand what you do. But they don't. You have to be able to step back to see it.Meta has nearly 1000 users for every one of us. We're not a threat to them, and they haven't suddenly changed from a company that enabled literal fucking genocide in Myanmar, to one that's suddenly wanting an open, inclusive, decentralized internet. No, they're not going to let any significant amount of their userbase "migrate to Mastodon", there is precisely zero chance they allow anything like that.Honestly. It's like the Meta rebrand gave some people a case of extreme and highly selective amnesia. Or maybe Twitter shifted the overton window for how fascist a major social media platform can get. This company is FUCKING AWFUL, remember?Anyway, the Fediverse. They don't care about it. Not a single aspect of it. Except one: they DO need a ready-made posting factory so that they can launch a new service that doesn't start out with a completely blank screen.In other words: Meta wants to bootstrap their new service into existence by having you get on all fours and get used as a stepstool. So, my friends, keep posting, and boost those toots please: Mark Zuckerberg needs to increase his ownership share of the world's communications networks so he can afford to get another coil of razor wire on the perimeter wall at his New Zealand bug-out compound.The fact that they're being so shameless about it almost makes me second guess the strategy of mass defederation. Part of me thinks we'd be better off creating a few thousand bots spewing AI-level nonsense and turn Meta's shiny new Twitter-coffin-nailer into a firehose of monotonous horseshit and hope it never gets off the ground.But I think the more powerful message is for us to calmly but firmly say "no thanks" and refuse to allow Meta to take advantage of our community.Ask your admin to sign the ANTI-META ADMIN PACT to #DefederateMeta ... If we stand together we might actually win this.https://cryptpad.fr/form/#/2/form/view/Xz2YqIlhXIFXCitQApFe6Dp14O54I6vuqTUUgo8WbdM/
(DIR) Post #AWpV7MCjOKgfl15IUi by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-18T22:28:44Z
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@stux "we would never ever sell you out"Did you ask your users what they want?
(DIR) Post #AWpWJFT6MSjSIMyYVs by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-18T22:41:40Z
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@stux meta is using you to fill their new product's feed. They will leave as soon as they have a stable userbase. They have proven themselves untrustworthy more times than we can count. You need to ask your users what they want. They need to give consent to this.
(DIR) Post #AWpoYpkbXrOALEkBAO by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-19T02:06:35Z
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@stux you're right, Meta isn't Gab.Meta has caused far more harm https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
(DIR) Post #AWtlUBWZdoEjC3729I by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-20T22:18:27Z
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@tchambers @atomicpoet Tim Chambers wrote:" I admin against actors sharing content that breaks my servers now - and if a new server does not respond to my moderation I ban them. This is no different. We have the tools to keep out users safe without a preemptive fediban. And we are stronger against them if we don’t use fedi blocking as a first strike weapon."How is it preemptive if you know how poor the moderation by that company is as we speak? Why will it take additional harm to people before you block them? Isn't part of user safety being proactive and not simply reactive?
(DIR) Post #AWyH2ZFzmDzodc1Fke by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-23T00:27:15Z
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@tchambers there is no question that meta is incapable of properly moderating their platforms. You are telling your users that someone(s) must get hurt before you will do anything. Moderation is never simply reactive, there is also a pro-active element to it as well. And we have overwhelming evidence that federation with meta will cause harm to people commonly targeted for harassment and abuse. This breaks the first item of the Mastodon Server Covenant.
(DIR) Post #AWyH2a4Kl4GJ9jZSDI by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-23T01:02:46Z
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@tchambers @tchambers Folks are not protected if you federate with an instance run by a company that is incapable of moderating its platform.Either you're saying that people will be hurt, or you're telling people that to be safe they shouldn't use your server. An open network means that people should be safe throughout the space. Here's your forewarning on what is to come. Now that you are armed with this information, please do the right thing for your users. https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy33ww/facebook-anti-trans-harassment
(DIR) Post #AWyH2cgL2jqnGBMpjE by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-23T01:14:27Z
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@tchambers Actually, Tim: you have not shown yourself capable of doing so.When I was on your server, I informed you three (3) times about the fact that you had incorrectly entered the poa dot st domain into your blocklist. I even posted it on the patreon page, since I was a paying supporter at the time.The second and third time I let you know, you told me that you had taken care of it. Did you? Here's a current screenshot of your blocklist. As you can see that domain is prefixed by http: but without the two forward slashes. I told you exactly what the problem was. Now that I run my own server I know that this can be done in seconds from the web interface. That instance, which is on basically every blocklist in this network, is not blocked on your server. It's one of the reasons I started looking elsewhere.
(DIR) Post #AWzLMDU327QbsLB1hQ by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-23T16:21:03Z
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loving the website redesign
(DIR) Post #AWzLqpezerwSxutZGi by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-23T16:32:02Z
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@Houl 😍
(DIR) Post #AWzRSeMWbxiMhV6oxE by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-23T17:32:03Z
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@PurpCat been wondering about Akkoma tbh. For right now though, at least glitch-soc is building out some of the stuff that vanilla masto is lacking
(DIR) Post #AWzUuajVzvLDPpsTIG by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-23T17:58:34Z
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@PurpCat tbh the political aspect is a major factor for me.Anyway, for now we don't know exactly who has met with or is meeting with meta, or what is going to happen. Hence the question mark. There's still time for admins to tell fb to f off
(DIR) Post #AX3W2GdhT0rm00DmsK by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-25T15:13:33Z
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@emc2 "Google was able to remove XMPP from the commons by absorbing most of the user base into their own platform"sorry how is this part of an argument for federation with meta lol
(DIR) Post #AX3W2I04PKM2DfhANk by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-25T15:17:42Z
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@emc2 I did
(DIR) Post #AX3W2JAO4SCXpxWv6O by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-25T15:26:46Z
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@emc2 You haven't thought through the algorithmic or surveillance aspects either, would you like responses to each post individually, or
(DIR) Post #AX3W2KZwouF2DWUqa8 by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-25T15:30:53Z
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@emc2 your claim here is that the protocol protects against algorithmic influence and surveillance. I'll grant you that it prevents some additional surveillance in the context of federation with meta but it absolutely does not prevent algorithmic influence.So given that it's your claim here, I have to assume that it's your conclusion elsewhere, meaning, no you haven't
(DIR) Post #AX3W2Lqe6JC09bJhFQ by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-25T15:39:10Z
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@emc2 that's a gish gallop by another name. No, I'm not digging through your entire post history. You made the claim here, I'm addressing it here.
(DIR) Post #AX4E0W59xbw7MHiOSe by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-25T17:40:13Z
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@emc2 @damon Yeah so unfortunately that's not how it will work in practice.If facebook prioritizes certain kinds of content, that stuff will inevitably be what gets shared and commented on more often, and given the size of the potential userbase, they'll effectively be able to set the tone and the topics for the wider network. Plus, you'll find you get more engagement when fb boosts your stuff, so in this way you'll be encouraged to 'dance to their algo' as I like to call it.In terms of surveillance: at present, your social graph here is separate from whatever social graph fb has on you on their platform. Once federated, they can merge these two data sets, making whatever data they may have grabbed from the Fedi far more valuable.In addition, due to the fact that you'll often need to click on a profile to view it "on the original page" means fb will quickly be able to link your fedi profile with their wider web surveillance apparatus.