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(DIR) Post #B6oyuUaJfkiilBz4CW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T11:43:39Z
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People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires. I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.
(DIR) Post #B6ozI38VNRZga1CzBo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T11:47:55Z
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I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me. Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it often very dangerous. (but just workable) and they want everyone to suffer?How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?
(DIR) Post #B6ozN0QWsTPFcp0DPE by alda@topspicy.social
2026-05-30T11:48:45Z
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@futurebird Honestly, I wouldn't operate heavy machinery or handle potentially dangerous items like that unless I have someone with me.Let alone in NYC traffic.
(DIR) Post #B6ozQ6SysZRzE1cssq by RogerBW@discordian.social
2026-05-30T11:49:19Z
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@futurebird The garbage truck doesn't have every news outlet blatting away about how it's keeping you safe.
(DIR) Post #B6ozQpVLQd4yuO4uJc by si_irini@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T11:49:24Z
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@futurebird đŻ
(DIR) Post #B6ozc8nK36yvv8sfA0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T11:51:33Z
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How have so many people been trained to think like they are private equity managers who just want to cut every job, anything that makes middle class people exist?And this comment had a bunch of likes ... none of the people getting mad about this really are private equity managers. They won't get rich. But the sight of people with "cushy" (livable, decent) jobs just makes them mad?It's so depressing.
(DIR) Post #B6oziPOzDReVAJUDjc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T11:52:41Z
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@RogerBW I would feel so much safer if we did not fire any of those missiles. It's not that complex. When you fire a missile at people they will want to shoot back. It's terrifying.
(DIR) Post #B6ozmuNXzFHIOdxVj6 by gbargoud@masto.nyc
2026-05-30T11:53:26Z
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@futurebird Relatedly, I just watched the garbage truck come by and I am looking forward to when they get those fancy lifting arms on the trucks and can stop constantly ruining their backs
(DIR) Post #B6ozxCLq1L012649dg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T11:55:21Z
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@gbargoud I love the new trucks so much. I get that some people are mad that it was expensive to develop but we really needed a better solution. Can you imagine how horrible it'd be for traffic if there was just one guy in the garbage truck? Trying to run the arms via a camera? It'd be a disaster.
(DIR) Post #B6ozy1sYRSTMqKlVDM by michaelgemar@cosocial.ca
2026-05-30T11:55:27Z
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@futurebird See, at least one of those jobs could be replaced with AIâŚ
(DIR) Post #B6p02V8laf1skpTrRQ by photovotary@beige.party
2026-05-30T11:56:15Z
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@futurebird Was the complainant a person who has absolutely nothing else with which to concern him/herself? What a ridiculous focus of oneâs ire.
(DIR) Post #B6p06QGzd2zooiCMV6 by mschfr@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T11:56:56Z
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@futurebird It also doesn't make much sense if you do some math. Not sure about your garbagemen, but here they will empty those bins in under a minute. Which means that the the wages of 1 or 2 people doing that is not having that big effect on your garbage bill. They come every 2 weeks, take under a minute to empty the bin, so you are looking at 52/2 = under 26 minutes a year for your bin.
(DIR) Post #B6p08YSaA2hMmsdTtI by ehproque@neopaquita.es
2026-05-30T11:57:22Z
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@futurebird of you replaced the two guys with one robot (pay 4 times their combined salary to Elon Musk*) it would suddenly be ok because we've been trained to consider that paying people is waste unless they're billionaires. *Lol, like his robots are ever going to be skilled enough
(DIR) Post #B6p0F5E3Fgie95x5yC by gbargoud@masto.nyc
2026-05-30T11:58:33Z
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@futurebird I would like to see a venn diagram of "people who complain about too many people on garbage trucks" and "people who complain about being stuck in traffic behind a garbage truck"
(DIR) Post #B6p0LChwLYp35Xqofw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T11:59:41Z
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@photovotary It was the comment section on a video where people geek out about garbage trucks. (yes this is how I spend my free time)I was shocked at the passion this dude had for making a two person job into a one person job.And yes, that would save money, but we all know it'd also make the results worse. It's corner cutting on something that I think is valuable and important. It never occurred to me that there would be people who look at guys with good jobs doing real work and just hate.
(DIR) Post #B6p103iueffH64mrMO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:07:04Z
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@ehproque This whole thing where they are so excited to eliminate real honorable work, like taking care of old people and taking away the garbage at ANY COST transmits a kind of deep disrespect for real work that I just can't abide. It is so deeply anti-social. I love high tech solutions and robots. These things can make this work faster, and more effective. It can make the work safer. DSNY die in the line of duty all the time. We should talk about that more.
(DIR) Post #B6p1J4tIXRVsDhiIjY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:10:25Z
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@billiglarper Maybe it just because it's the kind of thing that seems "smart" that's how most media frame it.If I had a dime for every guy who has said to me "the largest expense for a business is payroll" like it was some kind of revelation maybe I'd be rich enough that I'd understand how they think about jobs.Of course the largest expense is payroll! If it isn't what is your company even doing? Probably not anything of value.
(DIR) Post #B6p1sFZsnStXV4P5lo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:16:52Z
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@alda I know. It's such a difficult job and this fun time we are all having living in a dense city just would not happen without this work. I guess I wish more people took that seriously. Especially because people die and are badly injured just trying to make it all happen.
(DIR) Post #B6p298XGEVuGa8EHXk by erik@mastodon.infrageeks.social
2026-05-30T12:19:46Z
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@futurebird Statistically a more dangerous job than the military, firefighters, police, ⌠https://www.waste360.com/waste-collection-transfer/garbage-collection-rated-one-of-most-dangerous-jobs-study-says
(DIR) Post #B6p2Dq4eIeWMlx5YUC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:20:45Z
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@billiglarper "I didn't know that garbage trucks with rear tippers aren't standard in NY, with trash often getting put out in trash bags. đ˛ "We live like primitive cavemen in this town. It's absurd. But how can you back up to pick up a dumpster on a one way street? There is no "back of the building" in NYC. The back of the building is the front of another building.
(DIR) Post #B6p2IStZu9CCKj7GZk by baishen@mastodon.online
2026-05-30T12:21:31Z
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@futurebird Reminds me of the joke about the guy who will do anything to protect his family but he just means killing someone. Not anything actually useful like making sure the kids are clean, well fed, getting with housework, etc.
(DIR) Post #B6p2bq4PxuTni8QNiC by crazyeddie@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T12:25:04Z
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@futurebird Yeah, we're headed for N. Korea territory and people are thinking they're happy with that idea.You're not, but I don't know how to convince anyone of it. We all just have to learn together I guess.
(DIR) Post #B6p2f2BLOHfU8xBhzs by rasterweb@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T12:25:38Z
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@futurebird I recently learned how much more the folks on the garbage trucks make than I do (itâs a lot) but I still support them, respect them, and appreciate them. Youâll hear no bad words from me. Itâs also a job I would not want to do. We need strong unions for all working class people.
(DIR) Post #B6p2mqciFV92bziOqu by shadows@beige.party
2026-05-30T12:27:03Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper and it really doesnât make sense if the person complaining about payroll believes in trickle down economics. How is it supposed to trickle down if itâs not primarily trickling down through payroll?
(DIR) Post #B6p2wtREdd8iEo8WxM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:28:55Z
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@rasterweb They make decent money. And that should be a model for how more jobs should be not a reason to try to ruin it. It also really is a dangerous job and you can't do it forever. You need to switch to something less intense in your 40s or 50s because it's physically demanding.
(DIR) Post #B6p2zt5iNwRY1vUyEi by rasterweb@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T12:29:26Z
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@futurebird I assume itâs because itâs âdirty workâ while a CEO looks nice and clean, wearing a suit, but probably has blood on their hands. People look down on service industry workers, retail workers, and anyone they see as being âbelowâ them.
(DIR) Post #B6p3CLWgUSj1h83PSC by rasterweb@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T12:31:41Z
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@futurebird 100%. If I look back at the job I did in my mid-40s I know it would be quite a struggle with another dozen years added on as it is today, even ignoring my current health problems.
(DIR) Post #B6p3TDOLzFZnOCCWgq by Illuminatus@mstdn.social
2026-05-30T12:31:42Z
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@baishen @futurebird This is all very "Protestant work ethics", classism, and trying to find ways to be a dick to others on the basis of some bullshit reason to feel superior to them.
(DIR) Post #B6p3TEddLvORFsMF96 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:34:43Z
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@Illuminatus @baishen It's just I thought that part of "work ethic" was valuing work. Saying "thank you" when someone cooks and brings you a meal. Understanding that if someone cleans up after you? You should have deep respect and thankfulness for them helping you in that way. Nothing feels more like "spoiled brat" to me than someone who doesn't respect this kind of work.They could have just left you sitting in your own trash and you would deserve it. (The way I see it anyway.)
(DIR) Post #B6p3TMV47fIDdcPVtw by Illuminatus@mstdn.social
2026-05-30T12:33:43Z
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@baishen @futurebird I mean, did anybody pay attention to who were the critical workers six years ago? I believe that, contrary to what it may seem, yes, most people did, and that broke the brains of techbros and plutocrats, because their fucking charade about how they deserve to be overpaid fucks was there for everybody to see.
(DIR) Post #B6p3chdau399njr052 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:36:28Z
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@Illuminatus @baishen "Essential workers" really showed everyone WHO makes everything possible day to day.
(DIR) Post #B6p3fiYlvlOxWw2I1g by baishen@mastodon.online
2026-05-30T12:36:59Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper That last paragraph goes perfectly with this. :â -â Dhttps://www.businessinsider.com/jensen-huang-500k-engineers-250k-ai-tokens-nvidia-compute-2026-3?op=1
(DIR) Post #B6p3gf8a8mVbCnEhtY by energisch_@troet.cafe
2026-05-30T12:37:06Z
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@futurebird @Illuminatus @baishen 100 % đŻ
(DIR) Post #B6p3kdiZMPSpxdxv8q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:37:54Z
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@baishen @billiglarper "consume tokens"are they food now?
(DIR) Post #B6p3ytLQ3eCgTpvumu by thejessiekirk@ohai.social
2026-05-30T12:40:25Z
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@futurebird That's so weird. In the UK I've never seen less than a small crew per truck and they get the job done fast. Why would anyone want that service but worse?
(DIR) Post #B6p40d0DmtQ2NMqVk0 by aarbrk@mstdn.mx
2026-05-30T12:40:36Z
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@futurebird Guessing that the commenter's workplace is not unionized....
(DIR) Post #B6p42KdX2iFjzh2t5k by webhat@infosec.exchange
2026-05-30T12:41:03Z
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@futurebird @Illuminatus @baishen yup, if they are being paid a pittance, they are probably extremely important to keep everything running
(DIR) Post #B6p4ZcfL225fSzlTSi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:47:07Z
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@thejessiekirk We love making things worse in America. Like having one person trying to run an entire pharmacy. (here our "chemists" don't just fill prescriptions but there is a whole connivence store too kind of like Boots in there too. They want to just have one person do this whole thing.)
(DIR) Post #B6p4gMAcl9tGKmbqca by sinvega@mas.to
2026-05-30T12:48:16Z
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@futurebird of all the public services, bins and sewage workers are surely the most incredibly under-recognisedOverall they probably improve society even more than doctors
(DIR) Post #B6p4iLERDh1e0EL88u by thejessiekirk@ohai.social
2026-05-30T12:48:40Z
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@futurebird Seriously?? One person in a busy pharmacy is normal? That sucks.
(DIR) Post #B6p5AWekL16fXj5JC4 by cshlan@dawdling.net
2026-05-30T12:50:31Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper They're thinking of people as overhead rather than coworkers. Like rent or office supplies.
(DIR) Post #B6p5bENIPr78f9eku8 by clayfoot@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T12:58:34Z
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@futurebird @baishen @billiglarper Back in the 1980s, university systems allocated mainframe computing resources with various token systems. Georgia called them bananas.BTW, that system gave way to PCs, which were nowhere near as powerful as the mainframes, but which didn't need to be managed with micro payments. I suspect generative AI token services will go the same way.
(DIR) Post #B6p5c2Ikn1BpVXuplY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T12:58:37Z
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@billiglarper Our bins don't really have any designated place to go. They are put on the street or sidewalk which is horrible. The city is trying to change this by making some parking spots into pick up areas but it means that we needed a truck that could lift a dumpster from the side. These existed for single bins, but not full dumpsters. So we have our own new trucks now and they are very cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxvvEaQ1wN0&t=294s
(DIR) Post #B6p5vne2zZ61qKIdWq by frankcavil@mastodon.scot
2026-05-30T13:02:18Z
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@futurebird When I worked in recycling it was a treat to go out on the rounds, making a load of noise, slowing down the traffic, just getting out the shed for a while. A few years after I left, an old colleague had a fatal heart attack while working on those kind of trucks. Two workers should be the minimum for a whole load of reasons.
(DIR) Post #B6p6FjaZmWjH3UBJia by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2026-05-30T13:05:54Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper Iâve been wondering for a little while if motorised wheely bins could be a real thing. Once a week, a truck blocks the road and slowly empties them all. But what if each one had motorised wheels, a battery, and a little bit of electronics, so once a week at, say 2am, they could all take drive themselves to a centralised collecting area. The batteries could be swapped out if needed and recharged, and then theyâd be sent home.It doesnât matter if it takes them an hour or so to get there and in smallish convoys theyâd be easy to spot and overtake. If they go at a bit over walking speed, theyâre no danger to people crossing the road, and at 2am they donât need to avoid too much traffic. If you donât want people to have to empty them overnight, just send out a clean replacement rather than sending it back: people donât need to have the same bin every week and itâs fine to send the ones from Mondayâ collection area back to Tuesdayâs area the next night after theyâve been emptied, charged, and cleaned.Probably wouldnât work somewhere as dense as NYC, since theyâd need to be able to reach the road, but might even work there if you let them out in the evening and they trundle away as soon as traffic density drops low enough.
(DIR) Post #B6p6YKHI6zOa3Z1hEe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T13:09:17Z
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@Nerts If the driver needs to leave the cab in NYC you need to lock it or someone will get in and drive the truck away... not to steal it but just because when you have this many people some of them are... well they just do things. Anything a person might do WILL happen. Anything.
(DIR) Post #B6p6t7GTgne7mJYkQS by otfrom@functional.cafe
2026-05-30T13:13:00Z
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@futurebird @baishen @billiglarper given how they burn up GPUs they are more like single use plastic
(DIR) Post #B6p7j5Sxcc5TG4BDCy by jjLitke@wandering.shop
2026-05-30T13:22:24Z
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@Illuminatus @futurebird @baishen But we collectively seem to have forgotten all of that now.
(DIR) Post #B6p7lwyddlb3nZMVeq by bigpawedbear@masto.nu
2026-05-30T13:22:52Z
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@futurebird how the fuck can you operate a refuse truck with any less than two people?
(DIR) Post #B6p8NuaEzImpNa3GRk by toerror@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-05-30T13:29:44Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper I find the way that the mission text on the side gradually turns into a threat a little strange. I'm used to things like that being more along the lines of "Emptying your bins!" in a jolly handwriting font.
(DIR) Post #B6p8QkPLHGe2gkJ2tU by capnthommo@c.im
2026-05-30T13:30:19Z
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@futurebird I'm old enough to remember when bin gangs consisted of a driver and four guys to collect, carry, empty into lorry and return the bins to the house. I wonder how he'd react if he were spirited back to those days.
(DIR) Post #B6p8Xdrnzk82QfuJ2e by P__X@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T13:31:32Z
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@futurebird the same people complain about unsanitary conditions (like rats) or traffic being held up by garbage trucks.
(DIR) Post #B6p8eHA6oDyk2SdE8G by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T13:32:46Z
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@toerror @billiglarper It's just how people in NYC are. We like to have everyone think we are very tough for some reason. It's not true, though. It's just a way to make a little personal space.
(DIR) Post #B6p8uAfihtXCXjzsem by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T13:35:38Z
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@Nerts If you made a little box with a big red button on it (and nothing to indicate what it might do) and set it up on a NYC street it would be just a few seconds before someone would push it. Ask them why? You'd get a blank stare. People just push every button turn every nob, wiggle into every crack. The other reason you need two people on the garbage truck is so you don't have some kid trying to ride the thing while it's lifting. "that wouldn't happen"No it will.
(DIR) Post #B6p9ELwIWb7LHQNHg8 by Karen5Lund@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T13:39:16Z
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@futurebird @Nerts I like to say that if a thing has a one in a million chance of happening, it happens eight times a day in NYC. (This was borne out when I volunteered for the local American Red Cross chapter, which averaged eight emergency responses each day.)
(DIR) Post #B6p9KUqSKHpOddZUy8 by Karen5Lund@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T13:40:23Z
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@futurebird @Nerts Try standing somewhere, anywhere, looking up with binoculars. Even better than a red button.
(DIR) Post #B6p9QkJZiu4MM1AiaO by imikotoba@mastodon.scot
2026-05-30T13:41:29Z
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@futurebird just two is upsetting - there are usually three in our part of Scotland (driver and two walking large parts of the route moving the wheelie bins from the curb to the truck and back). And less staff and it would take far longer and cause traffic flow issues - that alone wouldnât be popular.How on earth would anyone think this could work with just one person âď¸
(DIR) Post #B6p9WyGkknANN2oumG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T13:42:39Z
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@Karen5Lund @Nerts This is how I have created many new ant fans just by standing with my camera with its huge lens intensely focused on a sidewalk crack. Someone will just join me staring at the crack then after a bit ask "what are we looking at?""ants!"
(DIR) Post #B6p9cnpIUcIYiil6Ey by epicdemiologist@wandering.shop
2026-05-30T13:42:13Z
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@baishen @futurebird Similarly, "I'd die for you"-- "You realize you just said I'd be better off if you were dead, right?"
(DIR) Post #B6p9cp5HoegMcbFNnk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T13:43:41Z
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@epicdemiologist @baishen A failure to process the concept of "you" as another entire person and not a "precious object.":/It's bad.
(DIR) Post #B6p9kF5tViUbJh4Mc4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T13:45:04Z
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@Karen5Lund @Nerts I guess they maybe thought there was a broadway show in there or something. LMAO. (but, in a way, there is a broadway show in the sidewalk crack. Ant drama is high drama.)
(DIR) Post #B6p9wNArILHxqrAwkq by leeglidewell@mas.to
2026-05-30T13:47:14Z
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@futurebird Garbage collector is a job with lots of hazards, and they deal with angry idiots all the time. They absolutely earn those wages
(DIR) Post #B6pAv5RfpBF4WzzWXQ by pattykimura@beige.party
2026-05-30T13:58:09Z
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@futurebird Hmm. The person who complained has: 1. Never emptied other people's garbage 2. Has never driven a commercial truck in narrow alleys or city traffic. My wife used to drive a tractor trailer (53 feet) in NYC to deliver pallets of food. And had to navigate between park cars, unaware foot traffic, speeding cyclists, and angry drivers trying to block her or unsafely cut her off.Since she drove alone, she had to take chances without any help when trying to back up or turn or get into/out of driveways. The city is not for faint-hearted inexperienced drivers. Commercial drivers get a premium to deliver in NY because it's not designed for commercial traffic, and well, because of impatient aggressive New Yorkers. Boston is as bad, with tiny winding streets and lots of Massholes.After that person's car gets smashed or sideswiped by a one-person city garbage truck with one person, tell them "you got what you wished for, and don't you dare sue the city and raise our taxes."
(DIR) Post #B6pB2cKNxztaXdAnVw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T13:59:35Z
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@pattykimura "impatient aggressive New Yorkers" I can't imagine what would give people this impression. LMAO.
(DIR) Post #B6pBD4BxDwBJr8DDKy by PTR_K@dice.camp
2026-05-30T14:01:24Z
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@futurebird @Karen5Lund @Nerts Passerby: "Why are you looking at those?"Myrmepropagandist: "Cause I'm an ANT FAN! đ
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(DIR) Post #B6pBeVDAsCrVTUrhtg by Pinchy63@ottawa.place
2026-05-30T14:06:24Z
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@futurebird Every Christmas I get the garbage guys a card and a coffee card as thanks for their service. I couldnât live without the garbage man!
(DIR) Post #B6pCL4Uo4q0v4OPYGW by foolishowl@social.coop
2026-05-30T14:14:00Z
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@futurebird I'm astonished how often I hear people complain about the laziness of people who are visibly working hard right in front of them.
(DIR) Post #B6pCWS3Eq5SFJKwVJQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T14:16:08Z
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@doctormo At some point I really wonder... if it's so "easy" to do those jobs or get "extra" benefits or be poor...My brother in christ, then, why oh why don't you just go and life that life? Go on! Take the advantage. I will not judge you for it. I want you to succeed. Have at it. What is stopping you?
(DIR) Post #B6pCZNFv7o97J5Ggi0 by MedeaVanamonde@beige.party
2026-05-30T14:16:39Z
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@futurebird we only get one sanitation specialist for most trucks.Back in the day there would be three burly guys
(DIR) Post #B6pCkRqqNZI4kForVA by Moss@beige.party
2026-05-30T14:18:40Z
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@futurebird Do you remember the NYC garbage strike? To this day it blows my mind that ânobodyâ learned any lessons from that very powerful action.
(DIR) Post #B6pD3A1wrRQOybw6rI by JoBlakely@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T14:22:02Z
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@futurebird @Karen5Lund @Nerts I want an ant opera now.
(DIR) Post #B6pD4H3QESbP3A9lEe by ShiitakeToast@beige.party
2026-05-30T14:22:12Z
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@futurebird Carl Icahn and Milton Friedman. It used to be that business management, for all its faults, was about stewardship of the institution rather than pleasing the most sociopathic of its short-term shareholders. Those two psychos very quickly created a meme (in the original sociological context) that infected a generation of people who were out to maximize their own pleasure. It changed the culture as a whole.
(DIR) Post #B6pDJxQOyuWsnuNq08 by MedeaVanamonde@beige.party
2026-05-30T14:25:06Z
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@futurebird @thejessiekirk What chain is that so I can avoid it.Not that CVS here has much if any competition other than the lil pharmacies in Safeway Stores.
(DIR) Post #B6pDOFydwjyJV8RwIq by jesuisatire@social.tchncs.de
2026-05-30T14:25:52Z
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@futurebird Over here we call that "bicycleing".Buckeling to the top and stepping on those at the bottom.
(DIR) Post #B6pDbzmMy0OhJnGASW by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
2026-05-30T14:28:21Z
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@futurebird You need 3.Drive + two bin collector / emptiers.Safe and efficient. There are at least two big wheelie bins (general refuse and recycling) and a small bin of food waste / compostable (tissue paper allowed). Some areas have more kinds of big binsPrivatisation crazy with 3 operators at different days, but only fortnightly collection instead of weekly. Needs to be back to councils.Glass to bottle banks in car parks.Cans & plastic bottles to collection that gives paper to spend.
(DIR) Post #B6pENoNOfJAlqxNagC by klegdixal@social.vivaldi.net
2026-05-30T14:36:59Z
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@futurebird it would be a terrible tragedy if a person who thinks 2 people are too many to operate a garbage truck was run over by a reversing garbage truck.
(DIR) Post #B6pFJVZoihUyLJhW9Q by MargaretSefton@writing.exchange
2026-05-30T14:47:25Z
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@futurebird The moment garbage wasn't collected, there would be a surcease of such speech, though certainly, another kind would commence.
(DIR) Post #B6pGkz6v7auNiIqmMi by DavidM_yeg@beige.party
2026-05-30T15:03:35Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper Thatâs a beefy version of the side loading system used for residential suburban wheelie bins here in Edmonton. Ours are operated by a single worker from a right hand drive station. No designated spaces but just need 1m clearance.
(DIR) Post #B6pHJsMIDXQCuLg67s by mukto_manob@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T15:09:54Z
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@futurebird we have 3 people on bin lorries, where one person drives it, the other two grabs the bins from both sides of the roads. Making it faster and prevents traffic build up. They're the most hard working men I've seen! They're there whether it's raining, snowing or scorching hot!
(DIR) Post #B6pHPbYzZfVyYXLkhs by DavidM_yeg@beige.party
2026-05-30T15:07:52Z
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@billiglarper @david_chisnall @futurebird Thatâs an amusing image ⌠but there are *so* many ways for things to go wrong in that system. Often the best - ie more robust, resilient, and cheapest - systems involve simple components and people paid reasonably not just to do the work but have brains, adaptability, and problem solving skills.
(DIR) Post #B6pHPd5Hv4wVGzT3gW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-05-30T15:10:54Z
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@DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall My big concern is the same as Fran talks about in this video. When companies try to implement these systems they find ways to do it that steal public space. Why can't the robots park inside of your business and charge there? No room? Huh. Interesting. Looking at the robots the first thing I think of is that in NYC people would sit on them. (which will be very funny) So that design won't last at least. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gRrjMlL3Mo
(DIR) Post #B6pInvnw4PX6EjVG2i by dirtwizard666@cyberpunk.lol
2026-05-30T15:26:24Z
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@futurebird @DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall Idea: robot bench networks. wanders the city looking for people to sit on it, learns to find where the largest number of people want to sit and only leaves there when that region is saturated with bench robots. As soon as empty, robot wanders in search of more sitters. Bench robots dispense media about how to build more bench robots.
(DIR) Post #B6pJPadjCxmfbFgZoO by DavidM_yeg@beige.party
2026-05-30T15:33:19Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper @david_chisnall Stealing public space is a looong tradition⌠and most people become peculiarly blind to that space. Case in point: all the valuable public space eaten up by the automotive industry and private cars
(DIR) Post #B6pKJ7JZQQQirljats by the_blackwell_ninja@mastodon.online
2026-05-30T15:43:22Z
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@futurebird That person is an ignorant fool. No surprise in a nation full of them.https://www.propublica.org/article/trashed-inside-the-deadly-world-of-private-garbage-collection
(DIR) Post #B6pKuMiv69ftN2LwTw by notthatkindofdoctor@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T15:50:06Z
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@futurebird Same idiots would definitely complain if it took twice as long to get the garbage picked up (if it happens at all) when the second person goes away
(DIR) Post #B6pLkhRlIL4WhWHYky by serverlessaoife@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T15:59:34Z
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@futurebird It's a constant refrain with the subway too. Sorry, the conductor checking the doors before the train leaves the station is not the reason for the TA being needlessly expensive, it's the billions handed out to machine connected contracting firms and I'm so sick of every "urbanist" with a youtube/substack laundering this shit
(DIR) Post #B6pNiv1Y2moo8gIczI by MyLittleMetroid@sfba.social
2026-05-30T16:21:37Z
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@futurebird everyone knows rich people are motivated by getting more money and poor people are motivated by getting less money. (/s)
(DIR) Post #B6pOczgVu0xuoKCQQi by leeloo@c.im
2026-05-30T16:31:46Z
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@futurebirdIf one person takes three times as long to do the job, getting rid of one of them is not a sound financial decision.Trash is usually thrown in the back, opposite end as the cabin. Putting one person at each end saves a lot of walking back and forth.
(DIR) Post #B6pOeGxb9qZWgBngWm by Phosphenes@mastodon.social
2026-05-30T16:32:02Z
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@futurebird @DavidM_yeg @billiglarper @david_chisnall In the video, the part about the US prohibiting a Chinese radio telescope in Argentina is infuriating. If MAGA wanted to compete with Chinese science they wouldn't have defunded all the US science. They just don't want any science anywhere. 'Anything good must be destroyed.'
(DIR) Post #B6pQkJKjRnNNgYczs8 by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
2026-05-30T16:55:30Z
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@futurebird When the rules change based on who it is, Wilhoitâs law demonstrates that it is conservatism, itâs essence.#wilhoitslaw
(DIR) Post #B6pRpImf1AM9NodRU8 by kDelta@ieji.de
2026-05-30T17:07:37Z
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@futurebird you only have two per truck over there!? đ¤ I think we have four. One drives the other three are always following to put the bins on the back and return them to our homes. If Iâm wrong itâs because it may be five.
(DIR) Post #B6pVQtZBWVjG2VwveC by Mercurial@todon.nl
2026-05-30T17:48:01Z
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@futurebird Worth pointing out (to the ops) that garbage collectors have a higher rate of injury on the job and fatalities than police âofficers."
(DIR) Post #B6pVsSFmfKfTRF14Ay by kshernandez@me.dm
2026-05-30T17:53:02Z
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@futurebird And now in my area there are not two guys on the back of a truck. It's a huge robot arm that the one driver uses to empty the trash. If it's not positioned right, you're effed.
(DIR) Post #B6pWVtcgqAlbcJXNpY by sol@typo.social
2026-05-30T17:59:49Z
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@futurebird in Italy rubbish collectors earn very good money. And it makes sense: thereâs go to be some incentive to do a job that has no perks!
(DIR) Post #B6pcOY6r1oAoalWhcm by gabbywheels@toad.social
2026-05-30T19:06:01Z
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@futurebird It's because seeing people how they are, really are, is seeing how small they think.They don't want to work together like ants. Many just define themselves as "not other" and "better than other" and the other they see is their neighbors, co-workers, etc.. They don't care about billionaires stealing not when Mary Jane next is 'no better than she should be. ' Social media has just broadened their targets for bile.
(DIR) Post #B6pei4Cs7G1TY8m9M8 by peter@social.linss.com
2026-05-30T19:30:40Z
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@futurebird a few years back I was walking on a street in Tokyo and saw a crew of 5 men repairing the sidewalk. One man on his knees doing the repairs, one on either side moving the safety cones as the work moved, and another on each side of that guiding the pedestrians around the work.My initial reaction was to laugh at how wasteful and ridiculous that was. But as I thought about it, I realized that itâs actually the best way to do it.1/
(DIR) Post #B6qQEbVWXGAlwVW5xo by NNN@bettercities.top
2026-05-31T04:32:24Z
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@futurebird Similarly, I hate how streets are double-parked-up with semi trucks delivering CocaCola (or whatever) to stores. Like, what if they had to use sprinter vans? Then they'd need more drivers. (oh no! more employed people!) But also, we wouldn't have our streets blocked.Who gets to decide that their bottling company gets to save 2%, but everyone else in my city must get stuck in traffic?
(DIR) Post #B6tIaWNo3JAsGFj7K4 by TYB@mstdn.social
2026-06-01T13:42:56Z
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@futurebird They are there in snow, rain, freezing and baking in the sun Imagine life without them .. it's not pretty
(DIR) Post #B6vTpF3QFZQOflKljk by studiop@fosstodon.org
2026-06-02T14:58:17Z
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@futurebird listened to someone complain about someone getting social security benefits because "he can clearly walk and work. I don't want to pay for that" while claiming they "haven't been following" any of the wasteful shit Trumps doing like the ballroom or slush fund.
(DIR) Post #B72YemmQNTH5xmw7Dk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-06-06T00:55:26Z
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@semiotic_pirate @Nonya_Bidniss It was online thankfully on a discussion of the new fancy NYC garbage trucks.