Post B63QjeXZF7rfdVV3bc by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
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(DIR) Post #B63Ou8DLZTpkehuWy8 by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2026-05-07T12:48:49.125937Z
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"What's the EU planning now??" "Sex only with consent."uhhhhhh what?Seriously though, that's the title of this video, translated:> Sex only with Consent: That's the EU's plan. | Why? | ARTE Info
(DIR) Post #B63PZREzjfqxXRNVaq by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2026-05-07T12:56:18.386119Z
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OK so, I'm watching it now, and somehow the title is actually accurate:There are countries in the EU where you don't really need consent. If the victim doesn't physically try to fight you off, it's not a crime, because the law only recognizes rape if the assailant used physical force. That's obviously messed up.I guess an EU-wide push for a better and consistent definition of sexual coercion / rape would be a good thing.What's really needed is cultural change, but changes to law can be part of that.
(DIR) Post #B63Q3TvwHyZYZpn62a by hj@shigusegubu.club
2026-05-07T13:01:37.525288Z
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@taylan
(DIR) Post #B63Qg169QpF8RJwU8O by nachtrabe
2026-05-07T13:08:43.022140Z
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@taylan it means they can put you in prison any time they wanthas upsides, lots of interesting new people to meet and drugs to try
(DIR) Post #B63QjeXZF7rfdVV3bc by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2026-05-07T13:09:21.382773Z
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@nachtrabe You could just not rape.
(DIR) Post #B63QqjLhlMDoZqKHZ2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2026-05-07T13:10:37.778023Z
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@taylan @nachtrabe ...and still get accused
(DIR) Post #B63RD1npphsqBI7GHQ by light@noc.social
2026-05-07T13:14:34Z
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@hj @taylan @nachtrabe So, the same for literally every crime?Or are they trying to weaken due process specifically for rape cases like they are in the UK or something?
(DIR) Post #B63RXTsHAmrL2FwiFE by nachtrabe
2026-05-07T13:18:22.765403Z
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@light @hj @taylan you seriously think rotherham went the way it went because of a lack of legal framework in the UK?
(DIR) Post #B63RZC7W9a2CYDtNia by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2026-05-07T13:18:40.310077Z
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@hj @nachtrabe People are predictably making this argument, but I don't think it holds any water. Nobody would seriously expect you to record someone's consent. So, it's practically still just going to be him saying "she said yes" and her saying "no I didn't" and neither having proof.Pretty much the same as the current situation in countries like Germany, where it's her saying "I said no" and him saying "no she didn't" because apparently Germany currently uses the "it's only rape if she explicitly declined" model. (Though at least she's not expected to physically fight and is otherwise considered to have consented even if she said no, which is practically how it is in more backwards countries apparently.)Ultimately, I think such a change to the law mostly just has a cultural effect. The law encodes what society considers to be right.
(DIR) Post #B63RfuTCAwYRpvEZGK by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2026-05-07T13:19:53.121575Z
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@nachtrabe @light @hj That's an entirely different conversation. Nobody is arguing that those scandals in the UK wouldn't have happened if the laws had been better. The issue there was systematic corruption and carelessness of law enforcement.
(DIR) Post #B63RhLRVNR5JmS7yU4 by mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org
2026-05-07T13:20:08.483852Z
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@hj @taylan @nachtrabe just make the punishment for false accusations equivalent to the punishment the accused crime would haveBam, solvedBelieve it or not false rape accusations are rare, and it's rarer still for them to go anywhere legal. Of course there are social consequences but that is a cultural change that needs to happen, and probably countries where presently "it's not rape if she didn't fight hard enough" don't need to worry about it lol
(DIR) Post #B63RpYJHQ7wc0LC5pY by nachtrabe
2026-05-07T13:21:38.721250Z
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@mirq @hj @taylan yeah that would be just and sane that's why it won't happen
(DIR) Post #B63Rt4rWqcs7pgtWTo by mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org
2026-05-07T13:22:15.677298Z
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@nachtrabe @taylan @hj yeah tbh I think the solution to most political and sociatal problems is giving me a death note
(DIR) Post #B63SMQ2PCHOFuAyOTQ by nachtrabe
2026-05-07T13:27:35.115751Z
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@taylan @hj @light yeah you see that's why i'm so cynical about thisif they genuinely cared about violated women why didn't they use the laws available?why would you expect expanded laws to be used in the with the intent they pretend to have?
(DIR) Post #B63SXd0JKTfhIwL2CO by light@noc.social
2026-05-07T13:29:33Z
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@nachtrabe @taylan @hj What's your point? I wasn't trying to make a point about the grooming gangs scandals.
(DIR) Post #B63U42Znt2oRpwxWca by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2026-05-07T13:46:39.325289Z
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@nachtrabe @light @hj The legislative branch of government is separate from the executive branch and the judicial branch. It's not productive to think of "the government" as one monolithic entity and criticize the work of one branch based on failures of other branches. In this case your critique makes even less sense because the UK is not even part of the EU anymore, and we're talking about an EU initiative while you're talking about a UK problem.
(DIR) Post #B63UxcZxjQUbQLXJIG by nachtrabe
2026-05-07T13:56:43.121142Z
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@taylan @hj @light semantically correct argument.however the branches be they uk or eu are staffed by the same lot with the same ideology.i live in germany. cases of rapists getting joke senteces or walking free altogether galore. its not a uk problem.hell.just last week this chick was thoroughly disappointed when she asked me if i would hit her back if she hit me, and i said "no"there: risk of jail, just for giving her what she wants and thats the *current* law
(DIR) Post #B63XTthPoYULhEXZa4 by light@noc.social
2026-05-07T14:24:40Z
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@nachtrabe @taylan @hj Does germany not have self-defence laws?