Post B3D8p3GRfTWD2xpFdw by Philsan@mastodon.world
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(DIR) Post #B3CzKMBUNHUFA5nQ5Q by Philsan@mastodon.world
2026-02-11T10:13:03Z
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Artificial intelligence will have an impact not only on programming games for old machines, but also on the demo scene. Not a single line of Assembly code was written by humans for this #Atari8bit computers rotating toroid. https://forums.atariage.com/topic/388112-ai-is-getting-too-good/ #atari #demoscene #AI
(DIR) Post #B3D0fCNo6v3snb3mLI by root42@chaos.social
2026-02-11T10:27:57Z
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@Philsan oh I bet a ton of human written assembly code went into the training of the LLM that produced this.
(DIR) Post #B3D0n0wcWSUddj4Pnk by troed@swecyb.com
2026-02-11T10:29:24Z
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@Philsan I was indeed surprised at how well Devstral-Small-2 seemed to understand one of my Atari ST asm programs.
(DIR) Post #B3D45OrocM88uQHVcu by zappes@mastodon.online
2026-02-11T11:06:19Z
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@Philsan The whole idea of the demo scene has always been to show that a clever human can make a computer do things that it was never supposed to do. Leaving the interesting bit out and just letting the spicy autocomplete do something that looks pretty is antithetic to anything that makes the scene interesting.
(DIR) Post #B3D6fUwdhJqQ5msWDg by kaneel@sonomu.club
2026-02-11T11:35:15Z
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@Philsan and nobody care, go kill yourself you cunt.
(DIR) Post #B3D8OfmSMD2egUDiPA by Philsan@mastodon.world
2026-02-11T11:54:40Z
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@zappes I agree.
(DIR) Post #B3D8p3GRfTWD2xpFdw by Philsan@mastodon.world
2026-02-11T11:59:24Z
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@unkx I also dislike the use of AI in the demo scene but there are people using it. Sometimes the use of AI is forbidden, other times it's allowed as long as you declare it. I just reported the news, and unfortunately it also concerns and will impact the demo scene, even though we don't like it.
(DIR) Post #B3D8xRYrDTDmieRIXI by ixs@mastodon.bawue.social
2026-02-11T10:48:16Z
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@root42 @Philsan no doubt.The claim also completely misses what the demo scene is about.As far as I remember, none of my demo scene friends ever talked about that demo coming in on time and under budget or how they could have saved millions and salaries by automating things.It was always about sitting with other humans, having some drinks and doing some cool stuff with the computer. And then - half drunk - at 3 AM having that epiphany and coming up with the ultimate hack that won them the competition.I am absolutely certain, a well trained. LLM can create a nice demo. But that’s not what it’s about.Which seems to be a common theme with LLMs actually. 🤷🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #B3D8xSmifPu6VvvsmW by Philsan@mastodon.world
2026-02-11T12:00:54Z
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@ixs @root42 I also dislike the use of AI in the demo scene but there are people using it. Sometimes the use of AI is forbidden, other times it's allowed as long as you declare it. I just reported the news, and unfortunately it concerns and will impact the demo scene, even though we don't like it.
(DIR) Post #B3DA8tefCllyzQBEq8 by ixs@mastodon.bawue.social
2026-02-11T12:14:12Z
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@Philsan @root42 oh, don’t get me wrong. . I have no doubts at all that there are people who use AI.And depending on your approach, this can be a problem because it is just unfair if somebody is “cheating” and wins a compo.But we have the same problem sports and then we call it doping and all solutions are not 100%.But when I say the article misses the point, what I I’m saying it’s not that these things don’t happen and these discussions don’t happen. You reporting on that is absolutely OK because it is part of the wider discussion.But what is in my opinion missing here is that the demo scene is way way more than just the finished demo itself.And that is where the discussion is the point because the way I see it the actual demo-code itself is not that important at the end of the day. It’s all about the friends we made on the way.Sitting at home, doing a demo with an LLM Will give you some code but again, you are missing what it is all about and that is their loss.
(DIR) Post #B3DD0DiLYTA4SWSPvk by Philsan@mastodon.world
2026-02-11T12:46:16Z
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@ixs @root42 I agree, know perfectly what demoscene is about, not only coding but being together and making friends.
(DIR) Post #B3DD5dqRpTHqwwpdCq by root42@chaos.social
2026-02-11T12:47:12Z
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@Philsan It wasn't a criticism towards you, per se. Merely it is often overlooked that there is A LOT of human effort that gets consumed into the training of an LLM. And yes, people are already putting out a lot of content in the demoscene based off of LLM output. And I also think the demoscene LIVES and THRIVES off of the social and communal aspects. There are the super creative geniuses (LFT??) that work alone. But even they come to the parties and socialize and present their work.1/2
(DIR) Post #B3DDHxWgTrQvStSdTE by root42@chaos.social
2026-02-11T12:48:26Z
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@Philsan And my fear is that using LLMs to fill in the blanks that require TRUE dedication, talent, sweat and joy will devalue the whole of the demoscene. The thread that you linked to is I think aware of this.2/2
(DIR) Post #B3DDHyRl3f5SJuADQm by Philsan@mastodon.world
2026-02-11T12:49:28Z
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@root42 I completely agree with all you have written, thanks!
(DIR) Post #B3DfzgpihfXX9Q0P5c by ltning@pleroma.anduin.net
2026-02-11T13:43:00.540733Z
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@kaneel Get off the internet you assh*le. @Philsan Thanks for reporting on this. It's a sad but unavoidable development. As long as AI content is placed in separate compos I can simply ignore it, so that would be my preferred solution. :D
(DIR) Post #B3DfziOUtqx7zZHgw4 by Philsan@mastodon.world
2026-02-11T18:11:05Z
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@ltning I agree with you. I hope all coders will declare whether they use AI.