Post B3CwPCfasPi5ErUrcO by kisaragi_hiu@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #B3BxoyJelvNP2w7wkC by publicvoit@graz.social
2026-02-10T22:21:23Z
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jarango/116047121332640221Reminds me of "Dominik's tenth rule: Any sufficiently complicated #PIM or note-taking program contains an ad hoc, informally specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of #Orgmode."Today they're adding a CLI.Next a REPL.In a couple of years maybe a decent programming language.If you want all the fun just now without the lock in effects of #Obsidian, take a look at the cool features of https://karl-voit.at/orgmode/ đ#Emacs #publicvoit
(DIR) Post #B3C0yteDHeM3KGANiC by jarango@mastodon.social
2026-02-10T22:56:47Z
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@publicvoit the âbestâ format doesnât always win. At this point, Markdown has much more support and integration than org (especially on mobile.) Org is fabulous if youâre willing to live in Emacs â and thatâs a HUGE if.
(DIR) Post #B3C1KGXHNh6GOS73MO by jarango@mastodon.social
2026-02-10T23:00:40Z
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@publicvoit I share your concerns about lock-in. Theyâve added features like bases and transclusion, which only work in Obsidian. But itâs still all just plain text under the hood â in your computer. And the core Markdown files work everywhere. Itâs a much more open platform than (say) OneNote or Notion. (Still, not as open as Emacs.)
(DIR) Post #B3C7MmaflyjS76HdOS by andricheli@mastodon.social
2026-02-11T00:08:15Z
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@publicvoit How is a folder full of plain-text files locked in? I can take my folder of notes that I use in Obsidian and access them on any Markdown app or plaintext editor.
(DIR) Post #B3CnU5GMwYES7wwzjs by publicvoit@graz.social
2026-02-11T08:00:17Z
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@jarango Everything true.However, I disagree with #Markdown: https://www.karl-voit.at/2025/08/17/Markdown-disaster/It's way more open than, let's say, #OneNote & so forth. Unfortunately, it's far from being a #textformat that can be reused anywhere without problems. At least I need to convert MD all the time from one flavor to a different.With more and more #Obsidian add-ons introducing their own syntax elements, you will end up with clear text files you still can't convert for a different tool without modifications. Good luck with finding out which elements are going to survive and which not. For a few files, that seems OK. If you have a decent #PKM like you describe in your awesome #DulyNoted book, it requires more effort.For everything I need to use with #MD, I keep a syntax file with one example element so that I keep an overview & know what to convert how in case I need to reuse information stored in this MD flavor.With org, I just push it through #pandoc & I'm done. đ¤ˇ#publicvoit #LML #Zettelkasten
(DIR) Post #B3CoExMu749bFkMFNY by publicvoit@graz.social
2026-02-11T08:08:45Z
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@eludom There are awesome paper based methods out there. For example #BulletJournal. However, that's focused on todo and project management and not so much on #knowledgebase management.The original #Zettelkasten method was on paper and for that purpose.Digital methods scale much better and require less effort though IMO.(fixed interestingly wrong language tag)#PIM
(DIR) Post #B3CoS5U9FJc4Bw0WgK by publicvoit@graz.social
2026-02-11T08:11:08Z
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@andricheli Please take a look at https://graz.social/@publicvoit/116050940232581972
(DIR) Post #B3CwPCfasPi5ErUrcO by kisaragi_hiu@mastodon.social
2026-02-11T09:40:14Z
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@publicvoit I love Org, but Obsidian is fine. I don't know about its latest features (Bases or its LLM integrations) but for keeping a notes archive, an Obsidian vault isn't locked in at all. With an Org plugin it's even able to open my main notes archive and interop with my notes just fine.(Coming from the Org world I also don't think we get to call Markdown or Obsidian informally specified or slow. Org is no Common Lisp, unfortunately. Which is fine, but it's fine for both.)
(DIR) Post #B3CwcdDNUj5tKZhamu by publicvoit@graz.social
2026-02-11T09:42:41Z
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@kisaragi_hiu I do have a different point of view with respect to Markdown and its value: https://graz.social/@publicvoit/116050940232581972
(DIR) Post #B3Cya7JVKbNRiiUq2a by kisaragi_hiu@mastodon.social
2026-02-11T10:04:37Z
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@publicvoit That issue is with extra syntaxes that represent unique features, and that is indeed something to be wary of. But GFM is still a perfectly fine portable core syntax that many platforms (including pandoc) already fully support. In terms of lockin, Markdown is also fine.Markdown allows in-word ita*lics* which is very necessary in languages that don't use spaces; Org has far better properties and outlining; so I use both and neither is strictly worse than the other
(DIR) Post #B3D3L0b2WTqIJYJVBo by publicvoit@graz.social
2026-02-11T10:57:56Z
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@kisaragi_hiu If everybody and any tool would limit itself to GFM (or any other well-defined Markdown flavor), then I'd agree.I don't see that in practice.Therefore, I may convert or reuse any orgdown file with any tool. This is not true for Markdown - which I need to use on a daily basis as well. It's a chaos and therefore I'd like to warn people about the subtle and not so subtle lockin effects of plain text formats: https://karl-voit.at/2025/08/17/Markdown-disaster/
(DIR) Post #B3DQvt7dZZ58nH7D2O by jarango@mastodon.social
2026-02-10T23:04:47Z
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@publicvoit Emacs is (ironically) more locked in for me, since it limits me to working on PC-class devices. I do a lot of work on my iPad, which doesnât have a version of Emacs (and likely never will.)
(DIR) Post #B3DQvu20C0AVc5UDtQ by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2026-02-11T15:22:21Z
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@publicvoit @jarango you mean your IOS is more locked in.
(DIR) Post #B3DT0yVnA4e6riy0HY by jarango@mastodon.social
2026-02-11T15:45:39Z
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@tusharhero @publicvoit if youâre approaching the question ideologically, then yes. If youâre approaching it practically, then no. Because Iâve used Android, and itâs not for me. Which means that I need to work with the tools available in the system I prefer, not the one I wish existed (but doesnât.)
(DIR) Post #B3DWMZtDgc6ojbuxF2 by andricheli@mastodon.social
2026-02-11T16:23:08Z
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@publicvoit This is definitely true if you go heavy with the plugins and itâs one reason Iâm very judicious about the plugins I use. Other than a few edge cases where I went wild or did something dumb, my MD files have withstood more than a decade across 5 or 6 different apps (some that I actually used, a couple that I just tested out with my files). I think it is important to remain cautious about plugin use and understand how the plugin will fundamentally alter your files. I avoid those.
(DIR) Post #B3DbpGJ84RTiAdX8sa by kepano@mastodon.social
2026-02-11T17:24:18Z
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@publicvoit @jarango FWIW there's a pandoc support for converting Obsidian Markdown to other formats. I added it a while ago but it hasn't been merged yet:https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/pull/11135
(DIR) Post #B3DbqNsHQFatvdVgkS by kepano@mastodon.social
2026-02-11T17:24:35Z
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@publicvoit @jarango FWIW there's pandoc support for converting Obsidian Markdown to other formats. I added it a while ago but it hasn't been merged yet:https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/pull/11135