Post B2vUT7VRusN3yjVpEu by Signez@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #B2uzocEHmoWWlcFowa by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-02T17:04:39Z
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AI Controls (formally 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month. For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
(DIR) Post #B2vH0ba5il57S5kxA8 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-02-02T21:06:23.094361Z
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@firefoxwebdevs Thank you for listening to users input :)
(DIR) Post #B2vHPKMyqkTZJMPd3o by nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2026-02-02T17:32:30Z
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@firefoxwebdevs Oh boy! The feature we shouldn't need, to kill off the features we never asked for!
(DIR) Post #B2vHPL4EFx4RTUeATI by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-02-02T21:10:48.398176Z
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@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Any complains about AI being forced at everyone's rectum should be brought to the wef members.
(DIR) Post #B2vHtFv9xF1aCXfcNE by mike@sauropods.win
2026-02-02T17:44:02Z
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@firefoxwebdevs "AI is changing the web, and people want very different things from it. We’ve heard from many who want nothing to do with AI. We’ve also heard from others who want AI tools that are genuinely useful."Have you? Because I've literally only heard the former. See e.g. virtually every one of the 966 comments on https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/td-p/109922
(DIR) Post #B2vHtHMUb6TyfbSxcG by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-02-02T21:16:13.129699Z
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@mike @firefoxwebdevs >Because I've literally only heard the formerSounds like a group issue. AI, or as I like to call it data generators, are themselves neutral like any tool, what people should be concerned about them is if the license of the software is copyleft and if the data trained on is not violating basic morals, that last part being extremely hard to know except if your directly source your data to the public, like for example most copyleft creative commons data.
(DIR) Post #B2vNjGObvuPmVI43Hs by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
2026-02-02T17:41:37Z
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@firefoxwebdevs And WHY were these "True" by default?Why once even re-enabled?Mozilla isn't trustworthy.The so-called ML is an invasion of privacy and a waste of computing resource.Go back to a Classic Firefox that's ONLY a browser and repects OS GUI look & feel instead of copying Google.
(DIR) Post #B2vNjHiV1RuybGNRvU by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-02T17:44:22Z
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@raymaccarthy about:config isn't intended to be for user settings. That's why we've created a dedicated AI controls page, and we're the first to do so.
(DIR) Post #B2vNjISaG6mUuBwFl2 by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
2026-02-02T17:48:48Z
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@firefoxwebdevs You are missing the point!The features should not exist! So then no need for a master switch in the main settings.Firefox has got so broken it needs loads of settings changed in About.config and even then is LESS USEABLE than 10 or 15 years ago.I've been using Websites since 1994. Mosaic, Netscape, Firefox.Of course I've used most of the others.
(DIR) Post #B2vNjJdxrHTkZmGr8S by plwt@mstdn.social
2026-02-02T18:08:19Z
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@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs You have never needed to use about:config. You can still quite happily browse the web using Firefox without going into about:config.
(DIR) Post #B2vNjKJnLkwIfVqGKu by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
2026-02-02T19:02:04Z
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@plwt @firefoxwebdevs The word "happily" is out of context.I have used Chrome (Android/ChromeOS)_, Edge (windows), IE (various cursed versions on Windows) and Safari (Apple Things) to "browse the web" and get a different browser such as Firefox, seamonkey, Vivaldi, Waterfox, Chromium and others.I'd be on Vivaldi if about:config didn't exist. The only reason I'm not is more flexible script blocking on Firefox to suit TheGuardian web news.
(DIR) Post #B2vNjLDnzVk5TE2zdg by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-02T19:13:13Z
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@raymaccarthy @plwt fwiw Vivaldi does have AI features like translation, and it even sends text to the cloud to perform that translation.
(DIR) Post #B2vNjPZvnBokz0QigK by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
2026-02-02T19:21:29Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @plwt I've not used Vivaldi since last year:https://www.qwant.com/?q=Vivaldi+AI&client=plgn-firefox-sb&t=webThey claim to not have AI.I use copy / paste to https://libretranslate.com/ if I need translation.There is no Cloud. Only other people's servers!
(DIR) Post #B2vNjQdrq2YoHVHNSK by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-02T19:24:35Z
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@raymaccarthy @plwt it's easy to say you don't have AI if you define it so it doesn't include features you have.Folks consider translation to be generative AI https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746
(DIR) Post #B2vNmIbYB4TIDrZ2Ya by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
2026-02-02T19:31:03Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @plwt What Vivaldi says or does is irrelevant.Mozilla did a stupid survey that didn't actually ask if people wanted AI or ML at all.Most people just want a browser. No need for an AI off switch as there is no reason to have ANY ML or AI of ANY kind in the first place.Mozilla by any sane metric has been making Thunderbird and Firefox worse for years. I used them practically from release on XP till 2016.I used Waterfox with Classic Theme restorer for a while after GUI bork.
(DIR) Post #B2vNmJp3eKs202tLFY by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-02T19:33:08Z
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@raymaccarthy @plwt a lot of people find things like translation a valuable part of the platform, and makes the web more accessible - including me.I personally think opening up more of the web via translation is a important feature to have in the browser.
(DIR) Post #B2vUT7VRusN3yjVpEu by Signez@mastodon.social
2026-02-02T18:01:46Z
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@firefoxwebdevs That's awesome, but honestly that feature should have landed months ago. It's sad that it took so long to deliver such a 'simple' feature — it eroded trust needlessly :(I understand it's hard to ship stuff, but we are talking about a toggle in preferences, so it was really frustrating not to see this shipped earlier.Also, is that 'scare screen' really necessary? It's the same kind of trick we're always complaining about with FAANG products…
(DIR) Post #B2vdsRIUN1CyBbb98a by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2026-02-03T01:22:32.593464Z
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@mangeurdenuage @mike @firefoxwebdevs >sigils are neutral tools, so this one with paimon's name on the edge of the circle must be too
(DIR) Post #B2vhowUKrOtfa8j9hQ by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-02-03T02:06:48.431522Z
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@hakui @firefoxwebdevs @mike I like to joke about it like that but I wouldn't call a probabilistic result done by a data generator to be considered as such.
(DIR) Post #B2viGTNyel53QjsgHQ by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2026-02-03T02:11:42.347402Z
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@mangeurdenuage @firefoxwebdevs @mike humans can influence the output of a random number generator just by thinking about it, of course daemons can take over LLM sessions for their means
(DIR) Post #B2vigIGCdv9ESFYZw8 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-02-03T02:16:26.788247Z
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@hakui @firefoxwebdevs @mike >umans can influence the output of a random number generator just by thinking about itWith or without being in a box with a deadly radiological element ?>of course daemons can take over LLM sessions for their meansWith that logic that means that even a calculator can get into that category.Or the VNC bot in fedi.Speaking of that it's more likely that it's someone else doing the take over.
(DIR) Post #B2viyrq964nq12E2G8 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2026-02-03T02:19:31.867525Z
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@mike @firefoxwebdevs Just use a real browser, like lynx, instead of something written by people that hate users.
(DIR) Post #B2vlAuaWuBEzvEnAUS by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2026-02-03T02:44:16.810689Z
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@mangeurdenuage @firefoxwebdevs @mike >calculatorsee my first reply about you trying to equate sigils without names to sigils with names and come back when you finally get it
(DIR) Post #B2vnS33SsZU10pcpOa by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-02-03T03:09:54.292873Z
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@hakui I'll seek to understand what you meant.I'm not as experienced with the occult as you. My only experience happened when I was 10~12 years old as what I can only describe as what people call "astral projection" beyond infrared and was offered with what I can describe as "all knowledge" but I only touched a small part of it and came back to my body.
(DIR) Post #B2xcWGYDvsPUqfk01Y by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2026-02-04T00:16:04Z
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@firefoxwebdevs Thank you for the option. But why can't I trust that you won't reactivate this option behind my back after a few updates? 🤔Oh, I know... That's maybe because you've already abused this mechanism in the past with pushing 'sponsored suggestions' on my search bar, homepage, search engines, etc... 😒
(DIR) Post #B2yD4yszCR3AXwIyfo by made@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-02-04T07:06:00Z
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@davidrevoy @firefoxwebdevs i would trust the person writing the mastodon posts here to tell you. I dont know him personally, but he acts very different than mozilla management.It is @jaffathecake
(DIR) Post #B36ELchuZC2du0Iu80 by alextecplayz@techhub.social
2026-02-03T11:55:19Z
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@firefoxwebdevs TY, this is a nice feature 🩷I have nothing else to (constructively) add, more that I agree with the points that it should be opt-in and perhaps some of the alarmist language / design be toned down. Still a step in the right direction, so that's great to see.
(DIR) Post #B36ELe15hMyfxmHjf6 by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-03T12:07:23Z
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@alextecplayz fwiw, the individual features are, to some extent, opt in. As in, AI models are not downloaded and used until you engage with the feature, e.g. via the "Suggest more of my tabs" button.
(DIR) Post #B36ELevoIULcngp24O by giacomo@snac.tesio.it
2026-02-03T12:13:05Z
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.socialPlease invert the default: let people who want #AI enhancements enable them in the settings.@alextecplayz@techhub.social
(DIR) Post #B36ELfi1PEudDDNXDU by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-03T12:19:36Z
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@giacomo @alextecplayz I don't think it's particularly unusual to offer features at the point they might be useful. This follows the pattern of e.g. asking for microphone permission. You're asked at a time that it might be useful to you, you don't have to say yes, and there are ways to avoid ever being asked.
(DIR) Post #B36ELgHpG7YJ0G881Y by alextecplayz@techhub.social
2026-02-03T12:26:00Z
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@firefoxwebdevs Makes sense IMO, that's a better explanation. If the features don't run until the user explicitly wants to use the features, it's fine by me.Does the AI Controls page specify that the AI models aren't downloaded until the specific feature(s) are used for the first time? Or does a linked help article from that page specify this?It'd be nice to inform users about this in the browser, maybe even offer some details on how much storage the models use, and a link to the about:addons page for On-device AI to manage the installed models.
(DIR) Post #B36ELgjTbJfcO14D7g by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-02-03T12:34:00Z
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@alextecplayz here's the help page, so you can judge for yourself https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-ai-controls. We mostly refrain from using "opt-in" because people have different definitions of opt-in, e.g. some have said it's only opt-in if it's in a separate binary.I asked for UI that shows downloaded models, but there wasn't time for that in 148. I'll keep asking for it 😀