Post B2p75bpu2FaXCW8jia by nepfag@varishangout.net
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(DIR) Post #B2p67f2T003tl6Qmki by Ronnie21093@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T19:17:12.987787Z
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(DIR) Post #B2p67gJWG5IRiHPuyG by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T21:36:05.708278Z
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@Ronnie21093 genuinely don't see the appeal of any of these having tried chimera and nobara on other handheld PCs before getting my Steam Deck OLED, they were janky and unintuitive, genuinely don't understand how they think they "know better" and preference debian and gnome, Valve chose Arch and KDE for a reason :zt_shrug:
(DIR) Post #B2p75bpu2FaXCW8jia by nepfag@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T21:46:52.630473Z
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@soravu @Ronnie21093 It's because Valve doesn't let them have their little CoC Stasi. Once SteamOS is available for general use they're done. For now they're desperately trying to stay relevant.
(DIR) Post #B2p7LDKqtdv3qX3biC by luithe@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T21:49:43.527989Z
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@Ronnie21093 so bazzite good or pozzed?
(DIR) Post #B2p7Yt9UjYhXIsGVk0 by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T21:52:14.003813Z
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@soravu @Ronnie21093 Bazzite is a poisoned well to begin with. It is regularly suggested as "a good linux for gamers to start with" and promotes the simplest install, but refuses to mention that anyone using nvidia GPUs will need to manually grab the proper drivers, something every other distro either does or warns the user about. And yes, I know, buy AMD or whatever, but for the guy moving off windows he's not exactly about to put down $500-$1000 more just to buy a GPU that works slightly better with a different OS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URbW3j_GYKg This video is a great showcase of how much of a pain these "gaming" distros are. This man followed all the instructions for the basic install which Bazzite promises will work out of the box, and most machines didn't go anywhere. He also uses linux on his own time so he does actually know, at least partially, how this all works. SteamOS getting a proper release would be a godsend compared to these for gaming.
(DIR) Post #B2p853ztwlQCCq7WGO by Spooke@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-30T21:57:53.958898Z
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@Iffine @Ronnie21093 @soravu SteamOS probably is still another 2-3 years away from a primetime os launch. Opensource nvidia drivers are still eating dirt rn. The nova drivers are still in development.I believe right now the best ootb distro is cachyos (Arch linux with most of the setup done for you) for gaming. They even have an auto detect that tries to install the proper nvidia driver for your gpu due to how fragmented nvidia is in linux.@Meemoo has had a pretty decent experience with it and prefers using cachyos over windows.
(DIR) Post #B2p8776LNT2IPb6xRA by DarkMahesvara@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T21:58:22.947995Z
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@Iffine @soravu @Ronnie21093 >SteamOS getting a proper release would be a godsend compared to these for gamingkind of depends if they support it outside of the gabe cube and release the iso. otherwise if its atomic like the steam deck you would need to install drivers after every update.
(DIR) Post #B2p8NsRB9Q3dr5qlf6 by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T22:01:26.567685Z
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@DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 @soravu Well, that's kind of what proper release implies. SteamOS already has "functional" iso releases that you can load on anything, they're just a pain to work with outside of specifically supported handhelds. I'm of the opinion that the Machine will just be another supported config for SteamOS and it won't get a proper release since Valve seems more focused on specialized hardware and proton when it comes to linux than a proper distro release. Still, it would be nice to have something that tries to work slightly more properly.
(DIR) Post #B2p8WkdFXYVuFnjAps by Spooke@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-30T22:02:52.919356Z
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@Iffine @DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 @soravu I heard it largely just works on regular desktops provided it's an all AMD rig. The moment it's using team green it all goes to shit.
(DIR) Post #B2pGAtlrgFaVrOqe5g by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T23:28:44.583580Z
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@nepfag @Ronnie21093 >micropenis employee :flan_disgust: That makes so much sense now
(DIR) Post #B2pGOxG7VcK2jShbfs by Ronnie21093@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T21:50:04.583291Z
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@luithe Beyond pozzed
(DIR) Post #B2pGom7HYjXThfsefo by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T23:35:57.758142Z
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@Iffine @DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 having used linux for the past 5 years, I see huge roadblocks that while I personally disagree with "hope" that a proper SteamOS iso would "fix"Arch isn't difficult to install, archinstall streamlines the setup it's comparable to the GUI setup of windows, however because everyone is accustomed to windows and mac, they'll look at this and whine, you can put lipstick on this but this is more of a user perception problem rather than a "linux must solve this"The other problem is terminal requirement, there are no workarounds for this because on linux this is the most efficient method to manage programs especially if you're not on KDE since gnome likes to hide simple basic things, this isn't a problem to "solve" but a user perception problem, everyone learned how to do program management on windows and mac but don't for linuxSorry, no solutions, genuinely don't know what can reasonably be done :Aris_Shrug:
(DIR) Post #B2pH9SmOeGAVoQyakC by Kyonko802@varishangout.net
2026-01-30T23:38:49.344624Z
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@luithe @Ronnie21093 It's even more pozzed than GNOME
(DIR) Post #B2pJdMZYUTaP9oM4US by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:07:30.561118Z
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@soravu @DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 >archinstall streamlines the setup it's comparable to the GUI setup of windowsI personally dislike archinstall not for being hard to use, but because it's an embodiment of some of the things I really dislike about arch, arch users, and linux users (not all of course but a decent chunk, especially those on Reddit which is the biggest place for actual linux discussion even if it's a shithole). It's simple, but not self-explanatory. The user is expected to know what everything is ahead of time and the best setup for what he'd want. Asking for further explanation or really anything will just get you a "RTFM" or "go back to windows if you can't handle it." Most arch users brag about "freedom of choice" and such but the reality is there's a reason personal use OSes mostly have GUI installers. It's not because people don't want options, it's that sometimes being easier to use is just better in every way. It is absolutely an issue with Arch Linux and not users, which is fine as it mostly acts as the OS for someone who wants a security vulnerability or minor breakage in their system as soon as possible thanks to the package handling and not an introductory OS. It just cannot be argued that base arch is a good suggestion for anyone who isn't already into linux. Those who brag about base Arch or parade it as the best distro are those who actively are sabotaging linux's image. >The other problem is terminal requirementNot really sure how this would be solved just because this is something that linux built itself around and is kinda getting screwed over by when it comes to adoption. A lot to say on this that I don't think I could properly articulate, but the simple bit is that by the time an average user needs to look into the terminal, either the system is fucked or whatever the guy was doing wasn't going to work anyways. Anyways SteamOS won't exactly fix these issues, it'll just be a far better offering since Valve holds their stuff to higher standards as there is a monetary incentive and proper payments. They'll at least try to clean it up for the average user, as they have done with the Steam Deck.
(DIR) Post #B2pKYAU06zr0AUqMoC by Kyonko802@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:10:53.974790Z
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@Iffine @soravu @DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 I feel like the terminal could be self correcting. Everybody used MSDOS and the command line just fine when computers were old. It's just something new users have to get used to, and is actually really comfy to use just by knowing a few basic commands and they can use the GUI for literally everything else.As far as arch goes, it's hard to get anymore idiot proof than the wiki without holding a full class on linux architecture. Arch is what you adopt if you want to know more, otherwise you can just use an easier distro, no shame in it.
(DIR) Post #B2pKYCOkzSqc6oPCue by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:17:46.183872Z
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@Kyonko802 @Iffine @DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 I think archinstall added some explanations to the options, installed it recently for my home media server and it's more intuitive now than it used to beI argue arch is better mostly because packages are named in a logical manner and not some weird arbitrary name, I remember being forced to install ubuntu because I was troubleshooting something with the Framework team regarding CPPC and whether newer AMD APU's supporting this feature, tried to install mangohud and had to look up what the package name was because it wasn't mangohudLet's be honest, I don't think the newer generation knows how to torrent or use p2p let alone a terminal :dia_shrug: For the average user, I do agree that I think SteamOS would be a better offering especially compared to shit like bazzite
(DIR) Post #B2pLIPhxpxXoi2QV72 by Kyonko802@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:19:55.389277Z
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@soravu @DarkMahesvara @Iffine @Ronnie21093 Yeah, they don't know, but that doesn't mean they can't in the future. Instead of continuing the idjit brained process of "well the modern generation can't read and doesn't know what a file system is" it would be better for them to learn, and better for the culture around personal computing as well.The steam deck is a perfect example of this. I lost count of how many times people lost their fear of the terminal once they got a steam deck and started tinkering.
(DIR) Post #B2pLIRCqGdq1M5sfse by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:26:06.796222Z
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@Kyonko802 @DarkMahesvara @Iffine @Ronnie21093 it would be better for them to learn, no argument from meNot going to be one of those "back in my day" but I do blame smartphones and steve jobs for wanting to make computers like a kitchen appliance where the sub-70 IQ nigger can push a button and be amazed that it worksObviously not everything need to be extremely complicated and cumbersome but not everything needs to be simplified to a single button press, I think there is "magic" to learning how something works or figuring out how to get something working but that's me, clearly I'm not the majority of users
(DIR) Post #B2pLJMo272SJzwigGO by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:26:18.827158Z
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@Kyonko802 @DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 @soravu I'd argue the wiki isn't idiot proof so much as full of good detail. Some pages are awful or even downright demotivating for the guy who doesn't know what he's doing. It's a great repository of information and if it ever went down or were lost I think linux would be set back a solid 5-10 years, but it's not really idiot proof. Still, arch needs to get more visibility as the OS for someone who knows what he's doing and wants to do. Suggesting it at the start to anyone is basically asking that guy to have a terrible first experience (which a surprising amount of Linux elitists are okay with). Mind that forks often fix most of the problems the average user would have. I have mixed feelings on CachyOS as a whole but it's a far simpler and nicer experience than base arch would ever dare let you have. SteamOS is of course a blessing.
(DIR) Post #B2pM25Zj1Tg9aaLuS0 by Kyonko802@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:30:05.387387Z
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@soravu @DarkMahesvara @Iffine @Ronnie21093 Yeah, it won't hurt anyone to learn sudo apt update or sudo pacman -SyuOr cd or cp or mkdir. You don't need to be a computer wizard to take advantage of what the terminal has to offer, and learning the basics will save you a lot of trouble if something ever goes wrong. People spent years knowing windows, the normie isn't afraid to mess with the registry to change something, but for some reason they're scared shitless of a terminal. It has never made sense to me. Steam's proton and steamOS has gone a long way in de-mystifying linux to people who otherwise would never touch it.
(DIR) Post #B2pM26GcRzzRjcQAJE by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:34:23.189247Z
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@Kyonko802 @DarkMahesvara @Iffine @Ronnie21093 I think that problem is more or less most people stick with whatever they learn in school, when I was at school it was windows, not sure what kids are learning on nowadays probably an ipad or something
(DIR) Post #B2pMQYgESlG6o441ho by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:38:48.595239Z
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@soravu @Kyonko802 @DarkMahesvara @Ronnie21093 >probably an ipad or somethingOverly optimistic aren't we? Try a Chromebook, a device that can run Google Chrome and basically nothing else. :flan_disgust: Chromebooks are sins beyond any measure, and they are the only things schools buy nowadays I believe. They're relatively cheap and easily managed.
(DIR) Post #B2pMl7qFRVqxeLYWpc by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:42:28.475184Z
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@Iffine @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Ronnie21093 :flan_disgust: Look I haven't been in school for a long time, I don't know what the kids are up to nowadays, I'm officially an "old"
(DIR) Post #B2pNHlnkPQTiqhx6w4 by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:48:24.704640Z
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@soravu @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Ronnie21093 No that's understandable, though I personally could never see any schools getting apple stuff en masse. Maybe a private school? Still all I remember of school was them being cheap out on all that they could. Sure, Windows computers were there, but with a lot of asterisks to their usage and such.
(DIR) Post #B2pNst0kZB5pvMjUA4 by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T00:55:08.480833Z
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@Iffine @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Ronnie21093 when I was a young it was windows with some schools having mac, I remember for a period schools were giving kids tablets or somethingI do hope that the Steam Cunny Cube or whatever the thing is called would encourage more to try linux gaming
(DIR) Post #B2pThIpjKjseGDRDO4 by Meemoo@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-31T02:00:00.316544Z
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@Spooke @Iffine @Ronnie21093 @soravu yeah CachyOS is comfy.It actually installed my Nvidia drivers by itself which caught me a bit off-guard because the guide I saw had a driver selection bit during OS installation Also I got @zeroraining107 to switch from Ubuntu to CachyOS as well
(DIR) Post #B2pYS6TNVUT7LtYSAa by zeroraining107@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-31T02:53:18.742180Z
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@Meemoo @Spooke @Iffine @Ronnie21093 @soravu i need to fuck around with catchy since it doesn't like dual monitors and isn't recognizing some stuff but it's nice for the most part
(DIR) Post #B2paV9Ac8OpoUkMC1Y by Meemoo@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-31T03:13:33.448578Z
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@zeroraining107 @Iffine @Ronnie21093 @Spooke @soravu I'm using a dual monitor setup and it's working fine on my end.What's happening on yours?
(DIR) Post #B2pcyLGiQpGEK8GBBg by zeroraining107@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-31T03:43:58.859936Z
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@Meemoo @Iffine @Ronnie21093 @Spooke @soravu infinite loading when my system starts up and will freeze sometimes if it wakes up from sleep because it sees 2 monitors as 1 and mirrors whenever i type the password to log in
(DIR) Post #B2phWMnDfdXeiIwWsS by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T04:35:10.343060Z
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@Spooke @Meemoo @Ronnie21093 @soravu I love pleroma, 6 hour delay on this message. Still, I agree on CachyOS. It's what I've got running on the current linux machine and what I'll probably be using for the foreseeable future any time I run linux on devices I use as a computer (specialized devices need not apply). A fork that fixes most of my dislikes with arch.
(DIR) Post #B2pkzArHQC71xZGpCy by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T05:13:59.145078Z
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@Iffine @Spooke @Meemoo @Ronnie21093 to be fair, nvidia is "special", have you seen Jensen's presentations, he is a very "special" individual, reported crashes with the UE5 editor to nvidia for months, still never fixed when running it on xwayland, no idea what part of the stack is broken but it is what it isIf it works for you then that's great :satania_thumbs:The more people on an arch base the better, I started on an arch fork 5 years ago but it was eventually abandoned/discontinued and by that time I gotten used to the options so archinstall wasn't as unintuitiveI shit on bazzite and the other "gaming" distros because they're not intuitive and are often more confusing, use debian and gnome, despite this will clearly confuse people who want "SteamOS", also gnome has compatibility issues and seems to be designed for no one except the dev team, was testing iproxy2vts and the dev even stated it exclusively doesn't work on gnome :cirno_laugh:
(DIR) Post #B2pmpr5Hltx9vwVP9c by Iffine@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T05:34:41.728537Z
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@soravu @Meemoo @Ronnie21093 @Spooke >nvidia is "special"I'm not going to disagree with this at all (I don't want to watch an hour long presentation about AI datacenters please I beg you), but there's something very important to remember about nvidia cards. They were, at least for a short while, near the best you could get and with prices that were actually somewhat reasonable. I see shit given to those with nvidia from time to time but can you blame someone for buying something they know is functional and decent quality at an affordable price? 30XX series, 40XX series, and 16XX series are still some of the most common GPUs on steam surveys. Not to say AMD was slacking though. Now, comparatively the 50XX series is a mess and it's well known nvidia is shitting the bed now. No real excuses there if one were to keep buying at that point.
(DIR) Post #B2pppLuzwgPv8X95MG by soravu@varishangout.net
2026-01-31T06:08:14.634292Z
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@Iffine @Meemoo @Ronnie21093 @Spooke I don't disagree especially if you use anything that relies on CUDA, my 4060Ti 16GB is quite "unique" being a good bang-for-buck between price and VRAMHowever nvidia genuinely said "fuck you" with the 50 series and I don't think the 60 series would be any betterHope this slowly changes as time goes on and more software support both CUDA and ROCm, was thinking of getting davinci resolve but since support on AMD is subpar, I'll stick with Kdenlive :shrug:
(DIR) Post #B2qDN7UQOYF5B8mpJw by Meemoo@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-31T10:31:43.406906Z
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@zeroraining107 @Iffine @Ronnie21093 @Spooke @soravu haven't seen that infinity loading thing.Sounds weird. Did you run the updater to see if it fixed it?And yeah, it uses the default order for monitors based off of their plug order until you login and only then does it process your monitor preferences.It's weird.
(DIR) Post #B2qRo2xcjyoaJEB6a8 by zeroraining107@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-31T13:13:34.643794Z
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@Meemoo @Iffine @Ronnie21093 @Spooke @soravu i just rebooted and it happened again. i was looking it up a coupple of days ago and it's a problem the thing i have to do right now is unplug the second monitor when it boots