Post B2gVZNsH9sIx42LD4S by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
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(DIR) Post #B2fivyE1n9ikQAeiye by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T09:03:50.162380Z
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@volpeon Wellโฆ I wish I could troll Microsoft on this one but:where is my arch linux.png
(DIR) Post #B2fkixyjb6eRneQgbI by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T09:23:54.453Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip Just because Arch is terrible doesn't mean this applies to every other distro though.
(DIR) Post #B2fkqIqIQNFqXEys7M by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T09:25:15.155992Z
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@SuperDicq @volpeon Yeah, although grub being painfully unreliable is rather distro-agnostic, yet it's the bootloader of choice of nearly all distros.
(DIR) Post #B2fkuBsmF9RA6izkwa by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T09:25:56.673Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip What's unreliable about GRUB? I can't recall ever having issues with it.
(DIR) Post #B2fkyWt65YWoPcDJI0 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T09:26:45.960231Z
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@lanodan @volpeon >You get to enjoy the GNU GRUB OS.>You still complain.
(DIR) Post #B2fl4JtBKWuJpq0wlM by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T09:27:48.667662Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon The issue is that it's reliably free software under the GPLv3-or-later, that works great, which is regarded as unreliable by odd sorts.
(DIR) Post #B2fl4h8usC9xxIYKyu by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T09:27:50.917319Z
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@SuperDicq @volpeon Things aren't always about you, there's a ton of well documented failures of grub and that's the tip of the iceberg.And I hate this "works for me" attitude with things, do not do this ever again.
(DIR) Post #B2flGvytWw7zS0hYEi by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2026-01-26T09:29:44.061476Z
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@lanodan @volpeon Sounds like manjaro to me.
(DIR) Post #B2flWP9LMfJ6G7xwAK by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2026-01-26T09:32:52Z
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@Suiseiseki GNU Guix doesn't have this issue and it uses GNU GRUB.
(DIR) Post #B2fldWSkZbrgy1RA8m by tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz
2026-01-26T09:34:10Z
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@SuperDicq the most used bootloader for GNU/Linux distributions has the most amount of bug reports, that is truly crazy.
(DIR) Post #B2flqpQTNbFBXriUd6 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T09:36:34.714678Z
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@lanodan @volpeon @SuperDicq My proprietary senses are telling me that the problems are with booting proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #B2fmFsCKD9gzNi2cgi by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T09:41:01.830Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.ripAnd I hate this "works for me" attitude with things, do not do this ever again.There is no objective way to measure something like "reliability", it will always be very subjective and based on personal experience.I have always thought it is very reliable because it has never failed me. But you think it is not reliable, so I'm curious as to what experiences you have had that made you think it is unreliable. This is a normal way how people discuss things and learn for each other. It's not an attitude and I'm not going to promise to "not do this ever again".
(DIR) Post #B2fn0BiVyIL5EwBMxM by inex@pony.social
2026-01-26T09:47:04Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon > There is no objective way to measure something like "reliability"Then why do we study objective ways to measure reliability in universities?
(DIR) Post #B2fn0CeeU8qM9FNnZg by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T09:49:24.495Z
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@inex@pony.social @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip Do they have a bootloader reliability study? What does GRUB score when compared with other bootloaders?
(DIR) Post #B2fn26ZQ4sltrBqHnk by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T09:49:47.190285Z
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@SuperDicq @volpeon The reasons why I'm taking it as unreliable are basically architectural, it'll work for most but the failure modes are the worst for a bootloader to have.grub-install can literally fail to fully install and not report an error. Combine this with how modules have ABI breaks without backward compatibility, so you get the MBR or EFI executable updated to a new version but without their modules required for bootup.Similarly grub-install often fails to detect the hardware, which is stuff that ought to be into a configuration (allowing a verification step) instead of magically done every time it's executed.grub-mkconfig similarly can create config files that it then cannot parse, that one even predates grub 2.x
(DIR) Post #B2fnEiAI7xK1vi6GCe by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T09:52:06.080922Z
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@lanodan @volpeon @SuperDicq >grub-install can literally fail to fully install and not report an error.GRUB almost always installs and on defective hardware, I have always been able to tell when grub hasn't been able to install - skill issue.>grub-mkconfig similarly can create config files that it then cannot parse,I have never run into that problem.
(DIR) Post #B2fnYfYVXShFd1wZBg by Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T09:55:42.461304Z
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@Suiseiseki @lanodan @SuperDicq @volpeon Doubt he can read it, does not want his skill issues pointed out to him
(DIR) Post #B2fnc1N0tB5m9cAK9I by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T09:56:16.680Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip That's actually helpful information that contains some things I did not know about GRUB.What bootloader do you use to avoid these issues? Something like LILO or Syslinux?
(DIR) Post #B2fncl353cTpp7C3Sy by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T09:56:26.898819Z
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@Pi_rat @SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon I know.
(DIR) Post #B2foXWQq4hPezqNDYe by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T10:06:40.277795Z
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@SuperDicq @volpeon Syslinux pretty much can't have those issues, no modules that can fail loading, and configuration that's simple enough that I doubt a competent distro could screw it up.Sadly I want full disk encryption, so so far I've reluctantly been using grub but I'll probably end up either writing my own bootloader or forking it.
(DIR) Post #B2foeaEaKtrYog0cGe by kitsune_yasu@waldbewohner.eu
2026-01-26T09:59:01.624Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip it does not have to do anything with arch itself. This can happen with every distro, if GRUB gets an update but fails or if the initcpio-Image was not build successfully.The best way to avoid those issues is, by reading through the output of your package manager and ensuring that the installation of GRUB and the Initcpio process were successful.
(DIR) Post #B2foebKIHA1WCfggnw by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T10:07:47.497Z
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@kitsune_yasu@waldbewohner.eu @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip This can happen with every distro, if GRUB gets an update but fails or if the initcpio-Image was not build successfully.I'm not that familiar with Arch, but it sounds extremely incompetent to me that Pacman would just continue updating and not fail if grub-install fails.Debian, for example, has a transaction based package manager so that makes sure when failures like this happen the old stuff that was previously working is not overwritten. So that definitely sounds like a design flaw in Pacman.
(DIR) Post #B2fotcNKeqdbnhGlIO by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T10:10:39.806475Z
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@SuperDicq @kitsune_yasu @volpeon Yeah that bit sounds like an Arch issue.Also the initramfs stuff (initcpio-Image) is related to bootup but has nothing to do with grub (which only loads it in ram and passes a memory address to the kernel).
(DIR) Post #B2fovhawDtAeZFcwue by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T10:11:03.766263Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @kitsune_yasu @volpeon pacman never does anything with a bootloader. There are two (three) main failure modes that pacman has:- distro keyring not update to date failing package authenticity check (archlinux-keyring needs to be updated first)- pacman deletes initrds on transaction start meaning that if your system fails in the middle of an update, you not only have a system in an unknown state with half-extracted packages, but also no kernel to boot- when using BTRFS, the free space check can fail because free space as reported by BTRFS isn't actually real and it doesn't use the specific btrfs library for getting free space
(DIR) Post #B2fp7iqdODONvfhVJI by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T10:13:14.730410Z
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@SuperDicq @kitsune_yasu @lanodan @volpeon >pacman never does anything with a bootloaderThis is also why now two (?) years ago grub installs randomly started blowing up on users installs. Because they updated configuration with grub-mkconfig which generated config for a version of grub that wasn't compatible with the old grub version that is installed as the bootloader. This is both an Arch issue and grub issue for not making breaking changes without a major bump.
(DIR) Post #B2fpOHe3mYYkU4iSnI by mint@ryona.agency
2026-01-26T10:16:12.373991Z
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@phnt @volpeon @SuperDicq @lanodan @kitsune_yasu >pacman deletes initrds on transaction start meaning that if your system fails in the middle of an update, you not only have a system in an unknown state with half-extracted packages, but also no kernel to bootLiterally never happened, initrd generation is called by a post-update hook that only runs after the update is completed and kernel/firmware/module/whatever was updated in the process.
(DIR) Post #B2fpSLYRBnnPlc1X16 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T10:16:57.163261Z
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@mint @volpeon @SuperDicq @lanodan @kitsune_yasu Look at the pre-transaction hook called when a kernel is updated. It deletes the old initrd before even the kernel is installed.
(DIR) Post #B2fpo3yXEERPcKaNZA by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T10:20:51.970693Z
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@mint @SuperDicq @kitsune_yasu @lanodan @volpeon https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/mkinitcpio/mkinitcpio/-/blob/master/libalpm/hooks/60-mkinitcpio-remove.hook?ref_type=heads
(DIR) Post #B2fq1XG7fDeUCgEiPI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T10:23:16.861989Z
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@phnt @volpeon @SuperDicq @kitsune_yasu> free space checkbtrfs failing to account precisely for free space is wild to me, specially as a filesystem that people do actually useโฆ but well it's also not that surprising given it's poor track record.Also a free space check should only be considered advisory as a filesystem is highly concurrent. Write errors is what's needed to watch out for and upgrades should strive to failsafe when those happen. (but well, if you wipe initrds at the start, you've already failed).
(DIR) Post #B2fqAJsYmPdLJQP5qS by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T10:24:52.218Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @kitsune_yasu@waldbewohner.eu @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip - distro keyring not update to date failing package authenticity check (archlinux-keyring needs to be updated first)Wait, that's not supposed to happen?
(DIR) Post #B2fqAvNhLbWfciFz16 by mint@ryona.agency
2026-01-26T10:24:59.928167Z
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@phnt @volpeon @SuperDicq @lanodan @kitsune_yasu Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears to be called only when you remove mkinitcpio or the running kernel. I've just tired reinstalling the kernel and the only hook that got called is dkms one.Screenshot_20260126_131922.png
(DIR) Post #B2fqF6Bb7KjwIBaTc8 by mint@ryona.agency
2026-01-26T10:25:46.743039Z
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@phnt @volpeon @SuperDicq @lanodan @kitsune_yasu Also their shitlab isn't opening as usual.
(DIR) Post #B2fqNNLxAsq5qrNUTg by mint@ryona.agency
2026-01-26T10:27:15.049297Z
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@phnt @SuperDicq @kitsune_yasu @lanodan @volpeon Oh, okay, tried downgrading and upgrading it, and it indeed got called. I stand corrected.
(DIR) Post #B2fqUMRax7dJ3kLbt2 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T10:28:30.553989Z
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@mint @volpeon @SuperDicq @lanodan @kitsune_yasu Yeah, it's because the globbed directory in the path is fully versioned. There is no "Upgrade" operation, because it isn't replaced in-place by a new one. The old one gets removed and new one created.
(DIR) Post #B2fqWGenRKJ3grQoqW by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T10:28:51.514034Z
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@lolitechengineer @phnt @SuperDicq It's not, other distros just have keyring put into a package, so it gets updated normally.I got that one in my containers and wellโฆ tossed Arch out definitively because there's a point where it's just pure incompetence.
(DIR) Post #B2fqmldQ263MOpefE8 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T10:31:52.266779Z
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@lanodan @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq It is packaged and it gets updated when you update the system, but when you don't update for a long time, new packages can be signed with keys that aren't in your old system keyring and there's no automatic pre-upgrade step for updating that keyring. Hence why the manual update is necessary.Gentoo solved this issue by force-updating the wkd on every update before it emerge even resolves dependencies.
(DIR) Post #B2frFo2UAldIFpE6CW by mint@ryona.agency
2026-01-26T10:37:04.813101Z
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@phnt @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan Sounds like they should've :niggachicken: ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ :cig: ๐๐ฝ๐พ๐ :niggacheese: ๐ด๐ฎ๐ :macedonian:
(DIR) Post #B2fuAIMEpsKqPWWsYC by LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club
2026-01-26T11:09:43Z
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@lanodan @volpeon I love the ethernal argument between these two positions on SW.
(DIR) Post #B2fuRoLl8tEaYWepZw by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T11:12:51.501965Z
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@phnt @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq Yeah, interaction of OpenPGP and rolling release is a pretty weird thing.One that could work is a folder where new public keys are signed by older keys, but sadly OpenPGP has key expiration compared to realtime rather than time of signature, and OpenPGP users regularly forget to push updates everywhere (made specially worse since the original keyservers broke).Hopefully Gentoo will move to something like ssh-keys signatures.
(DIR) Post #B2fx1GINQwcJGr6ipM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T11:41:40.227Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @kitsune_yasu@waldbewohner.eu @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip pacman deletes initrds on transaction start meaning that if your system fails in the middle of an update, you not only have a system in an unknown state with half-extracted packages, but also no kernel to bootThat's exactly my main point. Deleting initrd counts as "doing something with the bootloader" in my opinion.Something like Debian doesn't do this because transactions are actually transactions and don't get applied until success...
(DIR) Post #B2fzFcjF1X0GoDeIcq by kitsune_yasu@waldbewohner.eu
2026-01-26T11:37:13.390Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo Grub starts into rescue mode if the defined initramfs-Image is non existent or corrupted.
(DIR) Post #B2fzFe5xwWm72zHxgW by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T12:06:37.885461Z
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@kitsune_yasu @volpeon @SuperDicq As in grub> prompt (makes sense given Arch probably doesn't allows multiple kernel+initrd, so nothing else to fallback on) rather than grub rescue> prompt, right?
(DIR) Post #B2g0GRn9GxTB8GQuye by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:18:02.711Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @lolitechengineer@loli.church At least we can all agree here that Arch is terribly designed.
(DIR) Post #B2g0TFKYuiNsFXAIee by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T12:20:23.671861Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @lolitechengineer Nope, still the best power user distro if you don't need the use flag autism of Gentoo. Everything else including Debian is a bad joke (except Mint for newbies).
(DIR) Post #B2g0koEAQBKjP3Y4NU by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:23:32.821Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @lolitechengineer@loli.church Debian is a better newbie distro than Mint. It limits the proprietary crap included to only the essentials to get it running on a proprietary computer. While Mint is just an Ubuntu reskin.
(DIR) Post #B2g0pgR2ov4qgRtcNU by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T12:24:27.260Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me what about LMDE? :^)
(DIR) Post #B2g0vZVbUAbIwHpueu by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T12:25:31.614Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me also I'd argue Fedora is better than Debian, though I'd rather advocate for Trisquel.
(DIR) Post #B2g11dsIAMA6DXLLE0 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:26:34.172Z
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@lolitechengineer@loli.church @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Never looked into it. I don't know if it's just Debian with Cinnamon preinstalled or if they add unnecessary bullshit as well.
(DIR) Post #B2g1Ix93lw8GuGRNpY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:29:42.273Z
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@lolitechengineer@loli.church @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Fedora sucks and cares a lot less about freedom than Debian does, for example Fedora doesn't remove blobs from a lot of packages while Debian does.Fedora also calls itself "Linux", while Debian calls itself "GNU/Linux". So you already know Fedora is not going to be on your side.Trisquel is a really good newbie distro to recommend but only if you know that the newbie will have compatible hardware, otherwise I would suggest Debian for nonfree-firmware.
(DIR) Post #B2g1T6Dksqd3wyTVya by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T12:31:31.651589Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer Yeah, it's why I'm quite glad stuff like OpenSuse slowroll exists for the ones who want rolling release beyond stuff like Gentoo or non-user stuff like Debian Sid / Alpine edge, even though I'm not entirely sure I like OpenSuse.And given how badly done some distros are, I think separating things that are more taste and things that are more about a competent design matters.
(DIR) Post #B2g1lltwegqWQs72rw by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:34:54.754Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church I don't like OpenSUSE, it contains too much nonfree software and it gives me extremely disgusting corporate vibes.They also call themselves an "open source Linux operating system". ๐คฎ
(DIR) Post #B2g24IrspAudtCz7g0 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:38:14.810Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @lolitechengineer@loli.church Also the best power user distro is GNU Guix.How can you even call yourself a power user if you have never learned the power of Scheme?
(DIR) Post #B2g25MaoSgTRjNVQES by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T12:38:29.754Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me I've never had so many issues as i had back when i ran Arch. In my final days of Arch I just stopped using pacman I just used guix for almost everything in place of it.
(DIR) Post #B2g2DenKfftkV3Jg6i by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T12:39:59.024864Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @lolitechengineer ((((((((((lisp))))))))))I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole
(DIR) Post #B2g2EmvvtgN21zsXEO by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:40:08.752Z
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@lolitechengineer@loli.church @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me I personally use Guix as user package manager on literally every distro. It's how I get to avoid dumb stuff like flatpak or snap.
(DIR) Post #B2g2HQNuBob6xxDfxg by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:40:39.718Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @lolitechengineer@loli.church That's fine, not everybody has to be a power user.
(DIR) Post #B2g2SAr0GxbBz3xJmS by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T12:42:34.644824Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @lolitechengineer It is gnuware anyway, so I wouldn't use it either way unless I absolutely had to.
(DIR) Post #B2g2YnmcRnIiSU47VY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T12:43:46.949Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @lolitechengineer@loli.church You one of those weirdo Alpine/Chimera GNU avoiders? Having nightmares of Stallman's feet?
(DIR) Post #B2g2Ziq8JOypPt9EOm by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T12:43:58.953Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me user@~/$ time guix pull && guix upgrade
(DIR) Post #B2g2c0mqYYj1eohbzU by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T12:44:22.811317Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @lolitechengineer No, but I would run LLVM/musl Gentoo profile if I didn't want to use Steam.
(DIR) Post #B2g2gSbN5DXZ59SLQG by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T12:45:03.078390Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @lolitechengineer Not for technical reason (outside of musl), but just to spite people like you. :)
(DIR) Post #B2g2mSNOplOs7XmRI8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T12:46:14.281636Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer Yeah but I take those as politics, which are important (and why I'll not use OpenSUSE beyond test containers) but another distinction and something that people are going to have different position with.Specially with sort of political-party dynamics like with GNU, which I do not align myself with, even though there's some shared values (including ones like with blobs & pregenerated code where it seems like I'm hardcore than them).
(DIR) Post #B2g2vxqrBBw8LT5mTo by shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe
2026-01-26T12:47:59.040065Z
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@phnt watashi, BSD system admin :P @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan
(DIR) Post #B2g35Hsy3x3x5OWd16 by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T12:49:41.124Z
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@shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe @phnt@fluffytail.org @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me BSD seems really interesting but it seems its not ready yet
(DIR) Post #B2g36Tgnf7Ibz5OxKC by kitsune_yasu@waldbewohner.eu
2026-01-26T12:47:41.866Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo you can have multiple kernel+initrd even with arch. You just need to install multiple kernels. Arch even generates a rescue mode image with the default configuration.For example if linux and linux-lts are both installed you get 4 entries in the GRUB menu, a normal and a rescue mode for each kernel that is installed.The issue is, if your Boot-Partition is to small, mkinitcpio generates a corrupted file, which will crash the GRUB bootloader for some reason (and therefore doesn't even allow you to choose a working image)At least that is what happened on my system in the past.And yes, if you read the output of pacman, there is a message marked red, that mkinitcpio failed. But sometimes some hooks that follow the mkinitcpio generation produce so much output, that you have to scroll upwards to see potential errors.Pacman does not fail, cause the installation of the packages themselves were successful.It is like when you install nginx while apache2 is installed and started on Debian. Nginx gets installed, but even though it cannot start the service (due to the locked port), the package manager will not abort the transaction.
(DIR) Post #B2g37h81BKdPxDiFf6 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T12:50:06.265697Z
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@shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan BSD my beloved. The usual goto for slim servers that need to keep running without downtime.borked$ uname -a OpenBSD borked.technology 7.8 GENERIC.MP#1 amd64borked$ rcctl check pleromapleroma(ok)
(DIR) Post #B2g3CIz2NZO4WBi7N2 by shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe
2026-01-26T12:50:20.602923Z
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@lolitechengineer I'm literally using it just fine though@lanodan @phnt @SuperDicq
(DIR) Post #B2g3E2jVlj8ihJHFAG by shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe
2026-01-26T12:51:15.388997Z
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@lolitechengineer also Hyperbola is a fucking joke, 2026 and they never released @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt
(DIR) Post #B2g5Az7WwZX6X6BIaO by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T13:13:02.446Z
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@shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe @lolitechengineer@loli.church @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org I personally think Hyperbola is a bit of a nutjob project in my opinion.For example the only reason they are making a BSD version now I think is because they think Rust in Linux is bad. I mean I don't like Rust either, but is it that really enough of a reason to switch to fucking BSD? Wouldn't it be less bad to just remove the Rust parts from Linux?Hyperbola also does not allow any software that is developed by a for-profit company. Yes this means that Hyperbola does not support basic shit like zstd because it is developed Facebook.It's bonkers.If I really wanted to screw up my system using pacman I'd rather install Parabola which seems like a project ran by sane people.
(DIR) Post #B2g5kHDtd8hEoRzHHM by Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T13:19:30.306357Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai :hyperbola:
(DIR) Post #B2g5nWC4QVfO6zg9q4 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T13:20:02.313618Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai Yeah, it gives me vibes that are kind of similar to what you can find in suckless.org and related, lot of rambly declarations that aren't really linked to acts (similar to vaporware and virtue signals), barely anything to show and tends to define itself more as anti- than pro-
(DIR) Post #B2g5t9iktQBI9Qegjo by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T13:21:06.498191Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @lolitechengineer Debian includes a bunch of proprietary software that is not in fact needed to get it running on an absolutely proprietary computer.
(DIR) Post #B2g7DLMdPgRO0XUylE by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T13:35:54.816135Z
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@SuperDicq @lolitechengineer @phnt @shinyoukai In a rather ironic way, almost the opposite of OpenBSD, which has done lot of things and tends to do reimplementations or redesigns when what's available doesn't works well enough for them (OpenSSH, LibreSSL, doas, openrsync, signify, โฆ) instead of just throwing things away.
(DIR) Post #B2g7O1YZOhKvlGArGy by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T13:37:52.696Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org Hyperbola also does not allow any software that is developed by a for-profit company. Yes this means that Hyperbola does not support basic shit like zstd because it is developed Facebook.reminds me of their prohibition of VP8 (and webp), VP9, AV1, even though they are freely licensed formats with libre reference and community built encoders and decoders and instead suggest using... HEVC?
(DIR) Post #B2g9S0mmPAXcRAqkZk by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T14:01:00.471648Z
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@lanodan @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq At least with suckless you get what you signed up for. A base piece of software you patch into something that suits specifically you with the provided patches or your own. If you come to them expecting something usable out of the box, you will be disappointed no matter what. Or if you want a piece of software that is maintained but never changes. With Hyperbola it's removing things for the sake of removing things, because we don't like some abstract interpretation of dumb politics. In a way, it perfectly fits the GNU maximalism mindset. Instead of letting a user choose whether they want to use non-free blobs on _their own_ hardware, we choose for them and remove that ability to even do so, because we are smarter than the user, and because we hate choice, and letting the user patch our patches so that they can do what they really want. Just because we have some abstract dumb opinion on what proprietary firmware is. There's no actual progress made, just removal of options for the sake of thinking you are holier than thou.And then if you come to the BSD crowd, it is a completely different mindset. Instead of coming to a discussion being dead set on the "only proper way" and arguing only for that, the discussion starts level headed and without predetermined outcome.
(DIR) Post #B2g9d9VeJKQ0g99KJE by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T14:03:00.822322Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai Btw if anybody wants to find out where the "only proper way" mindset in GNU and related software comes from, look no further at mailing lists when RMS was still involved in development.
(DIR) Post #B2g9oML2x9tVeWXAm0 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T14:05:00.913Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe >Tries to following up the bait with more bait hoping we will bite.
(DIR) Post #B2gAJ08fXawLmLM7Ga by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T14:10:34.267727Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai That's the thing, I'm not baiting. The holier than thou mentality is real. You don't see it, because you mostly agree with it. If I wanted to bait, I wouldn't write multiple paragraphs explaining my thinking process.
(DIR) Post #B2gAmqOwJFC0GXCETI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T14:15:56.115406Z
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@phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq Suckless did some software that can work, but their community has those kinds of weird "Remove things just because we don't like, keeping things in a working state? Naaah".Like take a look stali, or almost any other suckless distro, there's typically no C compiler at all, and a bunch of suckless software (dwm, dmenu, โฆ) are entirely absent because well no graphical session.(One exception is Oasis Linux, but not sure how suckless related it is, mcf might just have grabbed sbase because it's simple to compile)
(DIR) Post #B2gB9ReIVIvY9s9mPw by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T14:19:59.171Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe @lolitechengineer@loli.church I'm not a fan of suckless software. It seems very esoteric and pointless to have minimalism as your end goal. You can just write software that performs well AND has a lot of features. I find their philosophy flawed.
(DIR) Post #B2gBcLh5itwA5TFJZ2 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T14:25:17.328205Z
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@lanodan @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq The community is kind of exactly what you expect from wannabe power users that want to feel better than everybody else. A very reddit-esque behavior. They are basically larpers that call everything they don't want or agree with bloat like the meme that died at decade ago.When you remove the community from the project and its maintainers, you get a pretty high quality pieces of software (except dumb variable names) ready to be hacked on. But that is the case with many projects these days. Look at a certain oxidized language that was interesting and ruined by the annoying community around it.>suckless distrosNever heard of them and making a suckless distro is the dumbest thing you can do with it. Since the software is made to be patched by a user directly and not properly packaged. The only things that properly work as expected without patching is dmenu, maybe dwm and probably the init system.
(DIR) Post #B2gC4JAmgqPINPSzwm by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T14:30:18.426614Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai Well minimalism can be important but it shouldn't be the primary objective and I think that's the point that suckless didn't get, plus wellโฆ minimalism to me is something that you do not just in terms of code but also dependencies with a bit of preference for OS-scale from time to time.OS scale because I think few things in modern systems should be split in more discrete components, specially as corporate mindset has a tendency to centralise policies into huge monolithic software that doesn't cooperates with the rest of the system in an equal manner.
(DIR) Post #B2gCGnYzWbfS6ckG8W by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T14:32:32.422Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe I'm personally in favor of decentralization too. I do not like huge monoliths either.But I am not in favor of minimalism for the sake of it. Make more packages that do more things. I like having many features that make computing easier and more convenient.
(DIR) Post #B2gCOYuZsrjiyrXn3w by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T14:33:57.748330Z
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@phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq > Since the software is made to be patched by a user directly and not properly packaged.It could be like AT&T Unix/BSD/Plan9, where you go in /src or similar directory, do your edits, and type a command like make to recompile, but for this it needs to be a non-toy system where you have things like development tools.
(DIR) Post #B2gComZXiT3EsUCx1M by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T14:38:44.093512Z
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@phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan GNU is the only OS that actually gives the user the choice of doing what they want to do.Not attacking the user with proprietary software rather allows for choice (as the user can choose to have freedom by choosing not to throw it away), rather than taking away choices.Every single BSD is proprietary software, thus there is no choice to have freedom - as you'll never have it.
(DIR) Post #B2gD0v6rneX4pbaBMm by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T14:40:54.444184Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai Yeah, I think minimalism shouldn't be about removing overall features, more about refactoring and keeping things clean, which are very secondary but are effectively needed long-term.Like you don't throw away everything in your home on a regular basis or should live like diogene, but getting some stuff away is needed once in a while.
(DIR) Post #B2gDcIKoPfPNZovXHc by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T14:47:40.611104Z
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@lanodan @volpeon i had a specific update strategy (only on ffridays, check the news) and it never broke for me
(DIR) Post #B2gDdukp3VdH1Rrii0 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T14:47:54.401Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe For example, my fully refactored version of Polygon Love 2 contains more lines of code than the original project did. Even though I actually removed some unused features from the code.The original project was a giant spaghetti mess. The entire game was contained in only 10 source code files, most of them consisting of giant 3000 line god classes. I split all of those into actual modules and stuff like that so the project is actually readable and maintainable now.
(DIR) Post #B2gDxwVWFNMkFeG2Hw by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T14:51:34.098Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe Actually now that I think of it most of the line count increase comes from giant lists of constants that originally were all compressed into one line. And also GPLv3 license header on every file.
(DIR) Post #B2gEJDMwkbEed1OJY8 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T14:55:25.485Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe It's actually less bad than I thought: 141 changed files with 9322 additions and 7898 deletions on my main branch diff.
(DIR) Post #B2gEnCWSSkQegr8ey8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T15:00:49.480305Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai > And also GPLv3 license header on every file.Heh, you know about SPDX headers (and REUSE), right?And well lines of code have pretty much always been useless and are a metric I love to hate.Metrics like CPU/memory/โฆ usage make more sense, but are very rarely used even though that's where ressources are scarce and can even make the difference between something which runs and something which doesn't.Also reminds me that minimalism sometimes gives you two kinds of extremists:- almost 0 dependencies- dependency over own module (low line of code kind tends to go there)Except that can end up just shifting where the complexity is, waterbed theory style.
(DIR) Post #B2gFrbwM0COOdNuyPo by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T15:12:51.127796Z
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@lanodan @volpeon @SuperDicq systemd-boot here in my gentoo box, but i also run systemd.
(DIR) Post #B2gG8gz8UyrDCgMeHI by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T15:15:53.870Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe I know about SPDX headers and REUSE obviously, but I personally prefer using the full header for the following reasons;Unless you are already extremely familiar with software development something like # SPDX-License-Identifier: GPLv3-or-later is not going to mean anything to you. Especially considering that I am making a video game you have to assume that whoever stumbles onto this project might not be the most professional programmer.The full license header actually explains very briefly what free software is, what the GPLv3 does and where to read more about it (the gnu.org website).So I think it's also good promotion for the free software movement and its ideals to have full license headers in your projects prominently displayed.
(DIR) Post #B2gGGNmXmND3xl8pNI by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T15:17:19.944062Z
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@lanodan @volpeon @SuperDicq considering things are like that so very often, can't blame people
(DIR) Post #B2gGKujPDSfHJOpmzo by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T15:18:08.519Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip Running systemd on Gentoo is so funny to me. Most people actually install Gentoo because they want to avoid systemd.
(DIR) Post #B2gGZBdf9SvFnrxCPg by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T15:20:45.088290Z
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@lanodan @volpeon @SuperDicq lmfao what a shit piece of software
(DIR) Post #B2gHCCoci618kMgbq4 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T15:27:46.357Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip I don't think a valid alternative really exists. Both Lilo and Syslinux are basically unmaintained.
(DIR) Post #B2gHFnU6pd6vLJnsK8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T15:28:23.953481Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai Yeah, although in all files?At least for me SPDX is enough for files and then could put something around ethics and copyright in something like a section of the readme (which the file header can refer to).Which also has the effect of being visible beyond just the devs who happen to be reading the code.
(DIR) Post #B2gHH3eQD9hpltEDE8 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2026-01-26T15:28:40.301892Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai SPDX headers should only ever be used in addition to a license header, or a valid license notice, as SPDX identifiers don't legally mean anything.
(DIR) Post #B2gHXqqT4ksyyhs21w by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T15:31:42.136694Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon @mischievoustomato If you don't need the half-assed LUKS support (you don't if you trust secureboot :-DDD), refind, limine and systemd-boot are all valid alternatives.
(DIR) Post #B2gHYvSLPyOpZI6DEO by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T15:31:51.620Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe Of course the license is also referred to in the readme file.But the reason you put a license header in every file is so that when a file gets separated from its project the context of its license is not lost.This happens very often by the way. That someone just strips out a single module or a single file from an existing project and uses it in another project. In these cases the full license header is the most important.
(DIR) Post #B2gHn4605ocmPxOFf6 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T15:34:21.144605Z
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@SuperDicq @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai Oh I've seen the "file gets separated, where the heck are the credits or even the license" thing myself few times (including from fellow foss devs), hence why I'm so glad reuse exists because otherwise I tend to forget about the copyright header.
(DIR) Post #B2gHn4kPfYx0RIIWeW by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T15:34:26.393524Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon systemd-boot
(DIR) Post #B2gHpVn85lqStRjKLo by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T15:34:53.224449Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon I am special and want things my way. Wanted a source based distro to do shit i might want to do, and optimize with compilation options, beyond that i just use software as normal.
(DIR) Post #B2gHwwrfpgOkt2Oxw8 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T15:36:11.236Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Refind and systemd-boot only work on proprietary UEFI crap hardware. I do not use UEFI on any of my computers. They are not valid alternatives for a fully free software bootloader.
(DIR) Post #B2gIBJP6pRxwqStEcC by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T15:38:49.594953Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @volpeon yeah i forgot youre a freetard
(DIR) Post #B2gIBvBcM3kk1crzrU by fish@detroitriotcity.com
2026-01-26T15:38:56.599467Z
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@LukeAlmighty @lanodan @volpeon I exclusively go South West myself. I may sometimes consider North West, too, be I always end up in the other direction.
(DIR) Post #B2gIUjGCv4F0XVz7tg by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T15:42:20.120351Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon @mischievoustomato Cringe, clover exists and is still maintained and you get boot all three from that probably.
(DIR) Post #B2gImd8SQlaIkutbvM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T15:45:33.397754Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @kitsune_yasu @volpeon it also happened on debian iirc
(DIR) Post #B2gNNlUgiTKDD7Fytc by Mamako@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T16:37:07.198136Z
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @volpeon donโt you say that to Superdicq.
(DIR) Post #B2gVVNQMtEckVfNQ8m by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T18:08:05.434736Z
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@Mamako @SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @volpeon you cant stop me
(DIR) Post #B2gVZNsH9sIx42LD4S by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:08:47.911Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @Mamako@tsundere.love @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip I'm a proud freetard. I don't give a shit.
(DIR) Post #B2gVigyFWmvUteZczQ by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T18:10:31.087958Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @volpeon @Mamako i just like software on its merits. I don't really hate FOSS, but I'm pragmatic. It just happens to be that I use mostly FOSS (or adjacent) software, and thus makes using Gentoo nicer. I think the only proprietary software I have (aside of drivers but that's necessary) is Chrome and Steam.
(DIR) Post #B2gVk0vwn9o96G7wmm by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T18:10:44.357520Z
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@SuperDicq @Mamako @lanodan @phnt @volpeon oh and VScode, but I use Zed over it
(DIR) Post #B2gVm6Vt1ACmz4vyDI by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:11:06.301Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @Mamako@tsundere.love @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip By calling me a "freetard" you're calling me someone who actually like cares about morals and ethics. Other than the fact that it is based on a slur I don't think the thing that it implies is offensive at all.
(DIR) Post #B2gVoucHhqi8xJGXLM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T18:11:38.063409Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @volpeon @Mamako would freenigger sound worse?
(DIR) Post #B2gVq6U14W4C35xyjI by jesu@pl.kotobank.ch
2026-01-26T18:11:52.466161Z
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@phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan let's see that uptime
(DIR) Post #B2gVtxuWsyHgcXD1jk by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:12:32.541Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip @Mamako@tsundere.love Yes that definitely is more offensive.
(DIR) Post #B2gVwSK2msCJWGKZt2 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T18:13:00.501149Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @volpeon @Mamako yeah i am not gonna use it but it came to my mind.
(DIR) Post #B2gW1Sh8pUs07fWOvY by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T18:13:55.335059Z
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@jesu @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan It's not high, because the VPS had RHEL8 on it recently. The uptime is just when I reinstalled to OpenBSD again.borked$ uptime 6:12PM up 43 days, 19:43, 1 user, load averages: 0.11, 0.07, 0.07
(DIR) Post #B2gW2U0pPt3EUyDVrM by crunklord420@clubcyberia.co
2026-01-26T18:14:06.112762Z
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@lanodan @volpeon literally never happens
(DIR) Post #B2gW5NDn7amMJ0etPs by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:14:35.477Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip @Mamako@tsundere.love It's fine to be more pragmatic. You can use proprietary software while also at the same acknowledging that it is bad. Much better than those people who cope about it.
(DIR) Post #B2gWB4IGPL6RL6Swtc by jesu@pl.kotobank.ch
2026-01-26T18:15:39.697790Z
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@lanodan @phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq how is CRUX? Heard good things
(DIR) Post #B2gWDw0hf2owWBcREm by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2026-01-26T18:16:09.878101Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @volpeon @Mamako Eh that's where we don't quite coincide. I use it not because I think it is bad, but because I think it's useful to me. Though, I do wish that someday I can replace Chrome with Gnome Web or Kagi's Orion.
(DIR) Post #B2gWG6mAbcPUUCrEpM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:16:32.961Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip @Mamako@tsundere.love Why can't you just replace Chrome with Firefox or one of its forks?
(DIR) Post #B2gWH6mg3pegnjZWE4 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T18:16:43.637187Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @volpeon @mischievoustomato @Mamako At least you aren't a GNU/Glowie yet unlike Suiseiseki with his glowing recommendations for turning your home router into a home server as well and running Tor exit nodes on your router.
(DIR) Post #B2gWHPbK6GrXA1PDfM by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T18:16:46.912383Z
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@phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @jesu Not exactly my own but:$ uptime18:14:53 up 2413 days, 3:40, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 0.28, 0.28(Of course the kernel on it is horribly ancient)
(DIR) Post #B2gWMHzXopgF0b3pLc by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T18:17:36.489410Z
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@jesu @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan Autistic about POSIX compliance. Their gcc build doesn't install the c89 and c99 wrappers, so build systems can break.
(DIR) Post #B2gWfwLI1ImxekbOLI by mitchconner@clubcyberia.co
2026-01-26T18:21:13.955613Z
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@lanodan @volpeon imagine not using BTRFS snapshots to make this a non issue
(DIR) Post #B2gWwiofYyEud2LXWa by lazyisolation@stereophonic.space
2026-01-26T18:16:52.631015Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @phnt @lolitechengineer @shinyoukai Hyperbola's wiki + removed/hold list is some funny shit to laugh at, holding gimp to 2.10 because only want GTK2 version, git due to Rust, and mpv for some vague reason. Vaguely looking at the forum activity there's barely any users, and I only know off a Youtuber intentially installing it for his Thinkpad x60 last year. Might as well go Debian/Devuan and just don't turn on nonfree packages/firmware. It's fascinating reading those updates + wiki rambles from Hyperbola devs.
(DIR) Post #B2gWxWWekDXWneIrOC by jesu@pl.kotobank.ch
2026-01-26T18:24:25.200880Z
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@phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan it doesn't? That seems weird...
(DIR) Post #B2gX3WGCdzPliLSyOG by jesu@pl.kotobank.ch
2026-01-26T18:25:31.464921Z
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@phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @lanodan nice I like obsd
(DIR) Post #B2gX63u0XDXcdGITjM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:25:53.216Z
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@lazyisolation@stereophonic.space @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe Yes, Hyperbola is very opinionated for some very specific people who are also the only users.If you want a good Arch-based distro with proprietary software removed you should install Parabola instead.
(DIR) Post #B2gXGMN8idvsoMpkiO by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-26T18:27:47.539940Z
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@jesu @phnt @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq Specially with POSIX mention, like hopefully tossing out c89/c99/c17 (each version requires a single wrapper) is the only thing it explicitly does.(I also have those wrappers tossed out on my system but to be sure cross-compiling will work)
(DIR) Post #B2gXQKYALfxQ3WkHhY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:29:34.634Z
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@lazyisolation@stereophonic.space @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe Like personally I'm really autistic about nonfree stuff.Everything else that some pedantic people like to care about such as bloat, so called security, minimalism, anti-Rust, politics of the developer, etc. are all things that I do not care about.I am very pragmatic to everything, except the one thing that I don't want to compromise on which is freedom.
(DIR) Post #B2gXZuDT70LVHLd8uO by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2026-01-26T18:31:19.113Z
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@lazyisolation@stereophonic.space @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @lolitechengineer@loli.church @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe It's still Arch btw so you will get your kernel removed if pacman fails and you will get keyring errors if you forget to update one week :D
(DIR) Post #B2gXacc82gDQyZVSSG by phnt@fluffytail.org
2026-01-26T18:31:29.024170Z
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@lanodan @shinyoukai @lolitechengineer @SuperDicq @jesu There probably is some reasoning behind that I never bothered to check, but it is a bit weird choice.
(DIR) Post #B2gXuO2Nwm5lYkDDxA by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-01-26T18:35:04.350Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @lazyisolation@stereophonic.space @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @phnt@fluffytail.org @shinyoukai@izu.laidback.moe deletes your kernelbreaks pulseaudiovaapi stops working for some reasonheh, nothing personal kid:DDD
(DIR) Post #B2gdYMDybfw5I4VrSS by meso@new.asbestos.cafe
2026-01-26T19:38:19.171025Z
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@lanodan @volpeon happened a couple times
(DIR) Post #B2gdatVnocTv6p3oXY by meso@new.asbestos.cafe
2026-01-26T19:38:45.959745Z
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@lanodan @volpeon the pacman -Syuu command is for saying SEE YOUUUUU to your arch install
(DIR) Post #B2gdqtmmZ5UcakdNjM by yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe
2026-01-26T19:41:40.151838Z
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@lanodan @volpeon @SuperDicq In fairness, the only time I've had GRUB or Xorg fuck up outside of my control was on Arch.
(DIR) Post #B2hdPZzmEPfYYIe51E by kitsune_yasu@waldbewohner.eu
2026-01-27T06:16:02.749Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip Tested it with a VM at it can happen to Debian too.But I think we have a slight misunderstanding regarding the "failed update" part:GRUB Installation happens in multiple steps. The first one is the package itself. If that fails, pacman fails and does not continue. The second step is the grub-install command, which writes the bootloader onto the boot partition. If this fails, the package manager cannot do anything, regardless which distro you're using. There is also a third step, running the grub-mkconfig command, which also could fail.