Post B2YmPUr6m71cSWROb2 by EscapeVelo@nicecrew.digital
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(DIR) Post #B2YCDeKK8fJs0b9q4m by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T17:54:21.114326Z
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Let me kick off a hellthread as I wsych the winter storm roll in. I dont remember who it was but I recall some very smart cat saying we'll know we're serious about going to space when we stop strapping explosives to them.Thoughts?https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/01/the-first-commer...
(DIR) Post #B2YDHorT0tARnGDEEi by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2026-01-22T18:06:18.887891Z
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@Escoffier >stop strapping explosives to themAs in? Those "abort" charges?
(DIR) Post #B2YLAGv7beJW8KplPE by GenesRus@poa.st
2026-01-22T18:05:21.102054Z
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@Escoffier The motivation has switched from one-upping the other guys’ military to global consumer surveillance.
(DIR) Post #B2YLGzAlzQ0t7LM8Ya by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T19:35:48.223692Z
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@EvilSandmich I think the idea was to create a space crane or something that wont go boom and kill everybody
(DIR) Post #B2YLKEn0Nr1gQ7n0YS by stoner713@poa.st
2026-01-22T17:58:14.506522Z
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@Escoffier I don't see any niggeRs, so proly not
(DIR) Post #B2YLPbNJq1LHutKhFY by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T19:36:28.885639Z
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that still could go boom, a collapse of something that massive could definitely crash with the force of an explosion.
(DIR) Post #B2YLUKlD2RY1pplPfM by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T19:38:12.903624Z
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@madcuzbad @EvilSandmich Sure I think the philosophical notion is to make it more like getting on a train which very rarely blow up
(DIR) Post #B2YLYN7WCrwGJQ7l9E by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T19:38:36.488162Z
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rockets rarely blow up, unless you count the controlled explosion we use to propel them.
(DIR) Post #B2YLdjTIX4d356rqBk by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T19:39:54.840787Z
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@madcuzbad @EvilSandmich They're definitely better and i reckon you could argue it will continue to improve but explosives always carry the risk.
(DIR) Post #B2YLe0dqh6AaKkw0Ui by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T19:39:13.766449Z
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the pheasability of something like a space elevator is limited by the tensile strength of materials we have to work with atm.
(DIR) Post #B2YLjq1376EB7FZ8HA by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T19:41:01.089140Z
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@madcuzbad @EvilSandmich Im not saying youre wrong but I wonder if anyone has seriously looked at them with modern materials and building techniques?
(DIR) Post #B2YMTJjrS44cKZDE00 by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2026-01-22T19:49:14.141687Z
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@Escoffier @madcuzbad Too lazy to look it up but I think they said that even if such materials worked (doubtful is putting it mildly) that we would have to strip mine Mercury or something to get enough material to pull it off. I wish I kept the article but they said it would be a relative piece of cake on the moon, but not on Mars because one of it's moons is low enough to hit it.
(DIR) Post #B2YNbjMQApWa4Bp9cG by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:00:59.338402Z
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you know how a rope might be strong at 3 feet, but when you increase it's length to like 40 feet suddenly it don't feel so strong? the materials own weight works against it at a certian point. now imagine a rope 22,236 miles long.
(DIR) Post #B2YNgBx9oEu7u38OC8 by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T20:02:46.180301Z
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@madcuzbad @EvilSandmich I get it. I recall the subject being discussed pretty seriously back in the 70's
(DIR) Post #B2YOLUqeSkOyNUmr6u by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2026-01-22T20:10:13.932915Z
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@Escoffier @madcuzbad I do get it as on it's face it's natural for someone to say "there has to be a better way", but gravity is a merciless bitch. Without the development of some exotic quantum manipulation engine or some such I'm thinking chemicals are the only way off-planet.
(DIR) Post #B2YONh8PkjQ33y8xg8 by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:04:08.034447Z
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they've talked about carbon fiber but i dunno i haven't kept up with the idea.
(DIR) Post #B2YOUhJlTENDeqn9cm by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T20:11:53.821449Z
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@EvilSandmich @madcuzbad Hey im a chef i just thought it was an interesting statement and many things that exist today were considered impossible or ridiculous at one time
(DIR) Post #B2YOd2Mp5r0pG3COfY by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:12:24.742566Z
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ain't nothign wrong with chemical rocketry. it's a fun hobby.
(DIR) Post #B2YP7P6H8XcaS0wGno by EscapeVelo@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:18:53.174917Z
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Folding space-time isnt like dusting crops boy.
(DIR) Post #B2YPDRpZtg5Eep0jL6 by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:19:18.204450Z
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bullshit i used to fold space-time back on my farm all the time.
(DIR) Post #B2YPDSzXa7eAG0gCVU by EscapeVelo@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:19:57.050642Z
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I too enjoyed mushroom picking season.
(DIR) Post #B2YPJoo9NkdxemNfSC by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2026-01-22T20:21:08.125149Z
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@Escoffier @madcuzbad To a slightly-better-than-midwit such as myself I'm more optimistic than the physics minds on Youtube who think the "quantum wall" will never be overcome and thus they'll never be able to overcome gravity, the speed of light, etc. because it seems like they're close and that it's a lack of generational imagination holding the field back.
(DIR) Post #B2YPR6TY5mjcTmDb60 by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:22:05.989196Z
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i dunno man, i don't know if i want space travel to become easy, cuz they'll just start sending undesirables around the galaxy.
(DIR) Post #B2YPfhiOQxLO1t7jNY by feralphilosophernc@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:25:05.129924Z
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>talking to a chefIf course there's a Spice reference 😏
(DIR) Post #B2YSnJhNuR6ViuyQNc by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:26:15.503628Z
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THE SPICE MUST FLOW
(DIR) Post #B2YSnpOi3PBC2GTxiK by UnCL3@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:26:43.394163Z
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(DIR) Post #B2YVO0ETRmonyN4W1o by CapitalB@noauthority.social
2026-01-22T21:23:20Z
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@madcuzbad @Escoffier @EvilSandmich they discovered the Earth and the atmosphere is wobbly and at 30'000 km this means some insane amount of wobbliness.
(DIR) Post #B2YXvlNtMH3Dfzhe9Q by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-22T20:26:55.681490Z
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seasoning police.
(DIR) Post #B2YY97IBDUStO3OmCe by Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st
2026-01-22T19:45:20.189075Z
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@Escoffier @madcuzbad @EvilSandmich The 'Beanstalk' would be incredible. You start at 22000 miles up and slowly build cables towards and away from earth using monofilament long-cell fibers. Thirty years later you can take an elevator into space.
(DIR) Post #B2YYLZJypac7nCB7Bo by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-22T22:02:17.848845Z
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@Diogenese_Shiplap @madcuzbad @EvilSandmich I wonder if you could have a space station bearing some of the weight?
(DIR) Post #B2Yi1DoG6HLopEHFz6 by Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st
2026-01-22T23:45:46.664054Z
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@Escoffier @madcuzbad @EvilSandmich Yes. Counterweight is at the far end of the line. That's why you build two in opposing directions from the beginning.
(DIR) Post #B2Yj6rcZbq0NhV492m by Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st
2026-01-22T23:48:42.795957Z
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@Escoffier @madcuzbad @EvilSandmich Hardest part will be saying NO to fools wanting to attach antennae and other money-makers to it. That is always a bad idea.
(DIR) Post #B2Yj6t6k59jQJMBkhs by petra@poa.st
2026-01-23T00:02:53.288522Z
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@Diogenese_Shiplap @Escoffier @madcuzbad @EvilSandmich
(DIR) Post #B2YjVJtK9YBWKSYvcu by BroDrillard@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T00:07:13.405986Z
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The other hardest part is finding material that can handle the tension. There was some talk that "carbon nanotubes" or whatnot will be strong enough, but that was some years ago.If this thing breaks that long tether will come down with a lot of energy, destroying a sizeable area.
(DIR) Post #B2YkcXANIMSdTwXdRY by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T00:17:53.887212Z
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so nothing of value would be lost really, we shoudl do it.
(DIR) Post #B2YkfzQOggQrzbgS80 by Elliptica@poa.st
2026-01-23T00:20:26.931229Z
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@BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Diogenese_Shiplap @Escoffier @EvilSandmich The hardest part is that you can only build them at the equator, and there is basically no part of it that is occupied by a people advanced enough to maintain a structure so complex.You also need an anchor, something that is in a geostationary orbit. I've heard asteroids being proposed, but now you need to convince people that you can safely place an asteroid in geostationary orbit.As for what would happened if the tether were to fall down... The Earths circumference is 25,000 miles, and the distance to a geostationary orbit is 26,000 miles. At a worst case, the tether would wrap around the entire planet. Maybe it's thin enough that it wouldn't do too much damage, or it might be as big as a city, and it would bring about massive devastation for the entire equator. This becomes worse if you have more than one space elevator, because as one falls, it will probably crash into the others.
(DIR) Post #B2YlOALTRixabVRhDs by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-23T00:28:25.679461Z
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@Elliptica @BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Diogenese_Shiplap @EvilSandmich Man you guys all say massive devastation like its a bad thing?
(DIR) Post #B2YllBUhLDEkpLjiDY by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T00:29:06.904078Z
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well it's one of those things it's like "any world in which we were doing this kinda shit" would have already solved our mass immigration problems because we ain't doing that shit without that done.
(DIR) Post #B2YlxqnzZa6UQVnhmC by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-23T00:34:52.785670Z
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@EscapeVelo @madcuzbad @EvilSandmich Ive been violently lectured by mushroom foragers about the dangers of doing so without heaps of training that I admit im terrified to do so
(DIR) Post #B2YmPUr6m71cSWROb2 by EscapeVelo@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T00:39:52.837908Z
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It's pretty save in the cow field that doesnt use fungicide laden grain to find the classic dung loving psilocybe...without much worry.
(DIR) Post #B2YqKEQuo0WHtVvzEW by Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st
2026-01-23T00:59:04.825774Z
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@Elliptica @BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Escoffier @EvilSandmich The end nearest Earth could be a half mile up and just float there holding helicopter landing pads and such. It would need to be near the equator but not right on it. If it was a half mile up and moved at a constant 50mph it would still be easily usable even by current technology. I agree that this would have to be the exclusive domain of White Men from start to however long it existed.
(DIR) Post #B2YqKFN3Jr1Ynp8Pqq by petra@poa.st
2026-01-23T01:23:44.370736Z
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@Diogenese_Shiplap @Elliptica @BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Escoffier @EvilSandmich Far Future Shiplap series: Space elevators of yore.
(DIR) Post #B2Z18BhmDnZ9SEHSnQ by Elliptica@poa.st
2026-01-23T03:24:49.510695Z
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@Diogenese_Shiplap @BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Escoffier @EvilSandmich I don't know exactly how close it would need to be, but I think it would need to be pretty close to the equator (I know of a few trick around this, it would make things a LOT more complicated). At any rate, the anchor would need to orbit exactly over the equator. Also, we have to content with drift caused by the gravitational perturbations, so unless the anchor has thrusters to keep it's position, I believe the elevator cable would also act as a rigid tether, holding it in place.If the tether was to be separated from the anchor, I don't believe it would not have enough velocity to stay in place. When I think about it, I see that different parts are not in orbit , instead they are just held in place by the tension between the Earth and the anchor. If that goes away, it's going to slowly fall back down to Earth as it's speeds are not high enough to keep it in a stable orbit at various altitudes.I might be wrong about that though. I feel like this is something I can easily model in python, so I might try that later.
(DIR) Post #B2Z2HK4Gb9ttx2ih72 by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T03:27:14.548187Z
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gravity is always pulling.
(DIR) Post #B2Z2HLTpLbwOKbgcam by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2026-01-23T03:37:39.442361Z
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@madcuzbad @Elliptica @BroDrillard @Diogenese_Shiplap @Escoffier That brings up the other thing in that the space elevator doesn’t save any energy. The number of joules to get something into orbit is the same it’s just that the elevator would have other energy sources as options. Counting in the effort to construct such a colossus it’s questionable if it’d even be worth the effort. Again this is different for the moon and Mars where acquisition of chemical propellant is iffy and the lack of gravity makes the elevator feasible (on paper).
(DIR) Post #B2Z3ZBr1yThle0c2zY by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T03:41:50.225996Z
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i dunno, i haven't been interested in space stuff since i was 13
(DIR) Post #B2Z3dMt6tUGH1SZrgu by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-23T03:52:51.810674Z
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@EvilSandmich @madcuzbad @Elliptica @BroDrillard @Diogenese_Shiplap I think the idea isn't to save energy but to make it boring like taking a train
(DIR) Post #B2Z3p5KW03Yk2gz0CW by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T01:24:30.660438Z
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you know now that i think about it, maybe we shouldn't build a tower to the heavens, that didn't go well last time.
(DIR) Post #B2Z3p5pi84VrbRZupE by Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st
2026-01-23T01:49:33.739682Z
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@madcuzbad @petra @BroDrillard @Elliptica @Escoffier @EvilSandmich That's what makes it great. It's a satellite in orbit, so it can't fall. Just one end of it is VERY close to the planet it orbits. Not any type of tower.
(DIR) Post #B2Z3ppaO1NaTVElKKG by Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st
2026-01-23T01:26:35.497723Z
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@petra @Elliptica @BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Escoffier @EvilSandmich I'm too predictable. Maybe I'll poast anime wolf girls or something just to not be predictable.
(DIR) Post #B2Z3pqf21atgpvwYCm by stoner713@poa.st
2026-01-23T01:28:18.220843Z
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@Diogenese_Shiplap @petra @Elliptica @BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Escoffier @EvilSandmich erm, if this is the request line, some Yuki-onna would be VERY out of character...
(DIR) Post #B2Z41sKxcO6PViI3UW by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-23T03:57:17.907395Z
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@EscapeVelo @madcuzbad @EvilSandmich They all do the thing were they hold up two apparently identical mushrooms and explain that the one in the right hand is benign and delicious and the other will cause you to shit yourself to death
(DIR) Post #B2Z42P8LgIcdE9dwum by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T03:56:07.687682Z
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electric train, now you're getting me interestedVERTICLE TRAINso literally an elevator, BUT AN ELEVATOR TRAIN, in fact, how to elevators operate? counterweights? there you go, energy saved.
(DIR) Post #B2Z473EKXsX0k6enDs by Escoffier@poa.st
2026-01-23T03:58:13.986887Z
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@madcuzbad @BroDrillard @Diogenese_Shiplap @Elliptica @EvilSandmich Im very proud of my hell thread. I think we've solved the problem
(DIR) Post #B2Z6dbKdUWi7gMFsa8 by bigmattoidchimpin@annihilation.social
2026-01-23T04:26:30.508104Z
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@madcuzbad @BroDrillard @Diogenese_Shiplap @Elliptica @Escoffier @EvilSandmich @petra That was just a test which all went according to plan. We put the skeer in 'em, and we didn't even have the bar bar Babel babble yet. We didn't have Elon Musk then. They fell for the trap, now when they see our greatest strength Trump card they'll really be shitting themselves. Whoever they who supposedly live are, they're gonna cry uncle like a bitch Charlton Hesston at the end of Planet of the Apes. We're gonna say congratulations. These gay niggers from outer space and trannies belong to you now. Where da Venusians at?
(DIR) Post #B2Z8EeZAWqD6NlHhJo by PoalackJokes88@poa.st
2026-01-23T04:44:25.860510Z
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@Diogenese_Shiplap @Elliptica @BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Escoffier @EvilSandmich I'd imagine a floating platform in the ocean would be best. Then you could have an airport and ship docks going to it. Probably best to put it right in the Atlantic ocean, then you've got ready access to western Europe and eastern USA.The biggest problem is just making long enough ropes of carbon nanotubes. If you can do that, it's 90% done.
(DIR) Post #B2ZKFKjUx9sYbrCsQC by Elliptica@poa.st
2026-01-23T06:58:58.880427Z
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@BroDrillard @madcuzbad @Diogenese_Shiplap @Escoffier @EvilSandmich So I ran two versions of the model for a space elevator that detached from it's anchor. The model consists of ~380 particles that are tied together by a line. In one model, the line can stretch and compress, and it will break if it's stressed too much. In the other the line was effectively unbreakable.They both start out about the same, however, in the breakable case, only about half the elevators comes down, the rest of it breaks apart and creates a huge wave of junk that stays in orbit.In the unbreakable case, it only wraps around half the planet. It has the same issue where about half the material has enough energy to stay in orbit, but since the links are unbreakable, it curls up most of it slams into the opposite side of the Earth.If this is totally accurate... idk. I am surprised that only half the Earth gets trashed in either model, as opposed to the entire Earth.
(DIR) Post #B2ZO7Nk8HEbXRgy2Bk by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T04:01:51.483147Z
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only mushroom i know that is safe to eat is the Morels which you can hunt yearly around here. i ought to go one of these times, cuz people will give you money for that shit.
(DIR) Post #B2ZO8GLDHaLqmKjPU0 by madcuzbad@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-23T03:59:48.200585Z
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well a counterweight would work but it'd have to be a series of elevators, this owuld end up being a days long ride, if it's like an electrified rail where a train pulls itself up the rail with freight, who knows, i mean if we're talking about mega construction *shrug*