Post B2Pumbo2QZm09OLZ32 by mackuba@martianbase.net
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 (DIR) Post #B2Pumbo2QZm09OLZ32 by mackuba@martianbase.net
       2026-01-18T16:31:05Z
       
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       Blacksky's independent AppView is starting to be usable:#bluesky #atproto
       
 (DIR) Post #B2Pvo2iLy795qgw3iy by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2026-01-18T18:12:25Z
       
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       @mackuba I'd love an in-depth analysis about what this means. what would a full app view cost to run? doesn't the entire advantage of AT over AP break down if your app view can't see everything on the network quickly? what does Rudy mean by this forking the timeline? my guess is that the future of the network will be "see we're decentralized" while the only service that works well (and everybody uses) will be the bluesky app view, allowing them to impose costs similar to centralized platforms.
       
 (DIR) Post #B2PwWvFAaiPZi5gY76 by mackuba@martianbase.net
       2026-01-18T18:20:35Z
       
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       @wjmaggos Rudy says he "needed to buy a $14K OVH Cloud instance", but I honestly don't know if that's one-time or per year (or per month??) or what… But it's been done for $200/mo too (https://whtwnd.com/futur.blue/3ls7sbvpsqc2w), though that was a prototype and you definitely need something more robust for production use by many people
       
 (DIR) Post #B2Pwp8sCehSzC5dACO by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2026-01-18T18:23:49Z
       
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       @mackuba bluesky isn't telling us what it costs them?
       
 (DIR) Post #B2PwwhDJNQQdj56d4i by mackuba@martianbase.net
       2026-01-18T18:25:15Z
       
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       @wjmaggos Nope, but they have a very custom setup that's meant to support millions of DAU users, and none of the current or near future independent installations is going to target anything close to that size - this might happen one day but it's probably years away
       
 (DIR) Post #B2PxOdsJNqLhTnbpRY by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2026-01-18T18:30:16Z
       
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       @mackuba but accepting that means they will provide the best experience by far, right?
       
 (DIR) Post #B2PxnhUH5eTtvGJZj6 by mackuba@martianbase.net
       2026-01-18T18:34:50Z
       
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       @wjmaggos Not necessarily - if you have a server designed to index the whole network but serve 1000 users actually using it (reading data from it), then it might work just as well for those 1000 users as what Bluesky is running
       
 (DIR) Post #B2PzeawEGoCiufAyie by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2026-01-18T18:55:35Z
       
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       @mackuba so I can run an AP server for $20/month and connect with whoever I want or run an AT app view for much more money (cause it indexes the whole network) to connect to whoever I want. the difference being search functionality etc. and size of the networks currently.what else?
       
 (DIR) Post #B2QwAsmGzoaSaLAbKK by mackuba@martianbase.net
       2026-01-19T00:31:32Z
       
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       @wjmaggos If you only want to view content from accounts you've explicitly followed (and only posted after you've followed them), then I think the AP architecture is more optimal for this use case… (maybe ignoring the "DDOS effect" of having tens/hundreds of thousands of followers on a large number of different instances that you'd need to send every post to).
       
 (DIR) Post #B2QwB0JUygK7xPljaS by mackuba@martianbase.net
       2026-01-19T00:38:20Z
       
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       @wjmaggos While the AT approach gives you the benefits of everything outside your circles also being accessible in one place, like:- custom feeds with all posts from anyone matching some set of keywords- global trending topics and popular posts- global search as you mentioned- hashtag feeds with actually every post on the network tagged with this hashtag- looking at anyone's profile and seeing their past content- being able to always like/reply/RT anyone's post (doesn't always work here)
       
 (DIR) Post #B2R039s1xdjH67R31U by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2026-01-19T01:13:57Z
       
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       @mackuba mastodon is doing things like backfilling now. I think they can improve on all these issues. but the fundamental differences in how the two systems tend to centralize control or don't won't change.
       
 (DIR) Post #B2R5BfINVV7ueEdQA4 by mackuba@martianbase.net
       2026-01-19T01:52:42Z
       
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       @wjmaggos Yeah, things like fetching missing replies are a huge step forward I gotta say (though I'm not sure what are the performance implications of that), but I still think a lot of such things that the AppView approach allows will be very hard or impossible to do in Mastodon (although on the other hand, in practice a big % of the Fediverse is on one server mastodon.social, which makes a lot of these things work almost as well as on Bluesky, but it's also not really what you're arguing for…)
       
 (DIR) Post #B2TXCjLF8QL6WGBuIS by wjmaggos@liberal.city
       2026-01-20T11:55:40Z
       
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       @mackuba struggling for the words...the app approach works w podcasting. decentralized media where your choice of app doesn't matter. where it's easy to switch. where nobody knows what app you're using. search lives in the app. we're consuming content that creators host on their own domain etc.that's different than the social news feed where everybody is kind of a mini content creator. it can't be as hard as creating a site to have an account, but also not as centralized as apps are.