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(DIR) Post #B2OEjANNZ4z4yaaqbQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T22:35:17Z
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If torpor isn't defined by body temperature but it's about "metabolic rate" then why is the diapause of the ants (other insects also participate) not considered torpor?Further if a long torpor is a hibernation why correct people who say "the ants are hibernating" "the ants are in diapause" is more correct. But I thought this was because only endotherms could hibernate. I am confusion.
(DIR) Post #B2OFUL9hIz1Y1Bgirw by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
2026-01-17T22:43:42Z
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@futurebird Incidentally I had a convo with my cousin a biologist and retired educator about endotherm/exotherm vs endotherm/ectothermif you're discussing a chemical reaction, that is not life, you say endothermic for one that absorbs heat from its surroundings and exothermic for one that emits heat to its surroundings... 1/2
(DIR) Post #B2OG7PXAxWuktNIfiq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T22:50:52Z
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Imagine a glamours ant sleeping with a coca-cola cap as a pillow"the diapause that refreshes"
(DIR) Post #B2OGTGausS1XXMTIAq by Photo55@mastodon.social
2026-01-17T22:54:48Z
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@futurebird Isn't hibernate from winter, as aestivate is from summer, conditions?
(DIR) Post #B2OGqOjKnKobQjRGNs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T22:59:00Z
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@Photo55 I don't know anymore. diapause seems like the most general term? so everything that hibernates is in diapause.I need an Euler diagram STAT of:hibernationastivation (or aestivation?)diapausedormancyWith the differences and various example animals. (If AI did what it claimed this would be a great task to ask from AI, but, in fact, this is the kind of thing LLMs are the worst at: making categorizations logically... and not making up animals)
(DIR) Post #B2OH0kOd5zibWQgnFA by mcc@mastodon.social
2026-01-17T23:00:48Z
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@futurebird This is the kind of data I wish Wikidata had evolved into tracking https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q30090244
(DIR) Post #B2OHL85AjzCWm7J6P2 by moira@mastodon.murkworks.net
2026-01-17T23:04:29Z
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@futurebird @Photo55 can we add brumation to that list too because I do _not_ understand
(DIR) Post #B2OHTcNny4e54E4PTM by Photo55@mastodon.social
2026-01-17T23:06:03Z
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@futurebird Americans might call it estivation?
(DIR) Post #B2OHWqRGAKFHWrDzcm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T23:06:40Z
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@Photo55 oy used the same word twice when I was trying to give both.
(DIR) Post #B2OHxGK8Y1opL6UQvw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T23:11:27Z
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@moira @Photo55 I sometimes do a little assembly about ants for kids, naturally I like everything to be correct, so I've been careful for years to always say "where do ants go in winter? they do something like hibernation but since they are insects and not warm-blooded we call it diapause."Now I need to figure out what to say. I'd rather just say "ant hibernate in winter" because they do it for the same reason as a bear or mouse, and it's similar in many ways. But people get mad.
(DIR) Post #B2OI2unJVT7aIwpg0G by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T23:12:28Z
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@moira @Photo55 Kids know the concept of "hibernation" it's helpful to extend it to explain what ants an other insect that overwinter are doing. Of course some ants just try to come inside your house for winter, but that's another matter.
(DIR) Post #B2OIMovT2Erfta8c2C by lionelb@expressional.social
2026-01-17T23:15:58Z
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@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Laptops hibernate. If it is good enough for them...
(DIR) Post #B2OImnu5STzMFosl2u by Bumblefish@mastodon.scot
2026-01-17T23:20:43Z
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@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Is the difference: mammals>>Oh, seasons changing, better eat up so I can sleep! // ants>>Oh, seasons changing, better eat up before my body ceases to function! Don't...don't turtles hibernate? Wait. Noe I'm confused.
(DIR) Post #B2OInifAQcvGI3L9Ci by lemgandi@mastodon.social
2026-01-17T23:20:45Z
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@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Well, maybe ant *nests* hibernate. I'd bet money that, like honeybee nests, they are endothermic.
(DIR) Post #B2OIzadW64v8s4EDoW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T23:23:04Z
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@lemgandi @moira @Photo55 I don't know about every ant species, but carpenter ants were tested to see if they warmed their nest at all and they do not. They are more concerned with humidity it seems.
(DIR) Post #B2OJ8Yra3iXHyh5IvY by lemgandi@mastodon.social
2026-01-17T23:24:40Z
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@futurebird @moira @Photo55 Ah, very cool. I was thinking more in terms of S. Invicta. Probly bigger biomass, even in winter.
(DIR) Post #B2OJBo2W5diLuokNNY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T23:25:16Z
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@lemgandi @moira @Photo55 Totally gotta test more species.
(DIR) Post #B2OJk4B8akebod7FhY by mcc@mastodon.social
2026-01-17T23:01:20Z
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@futurebird I still want to live in the universe where "AI" meant "Wolfram Alpha with an absurd budget" and not "MegaHAL with an absurd budget"
(DIR) Post #B2OK2ThsPxnwCaD0ds by BenAveling@mastodon.ie
2026-01-17T23:34:45Z
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Maybe just what you just said? “Ants do something like hibernation”. @moira @Photo55 @futurebird
(DIR) Post #B2OLAN552HxRvJODse by llewelly@sauropods.win
2026-01-17T23:47:25Z
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@futurebird @lemgandi @moira @Photo55 S. invicta is native to tropical and subtropical parts of S. America, so I'd be surprised if their nests maintain substantial internal heat. It seems more likely their nests would evolve to get rid of heat.
(DIR) Post #B2OOsdMk9MdV2BRuPw by theantlady@arthropod.social
2026-01-18T00:28:48Z
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@futurebird @Photo55 Here's a review paper by some collaborators on dormancy, which might be helpful? Part of the reason they wrote it was to try and unify understanding across different types of animals.https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1365-2435.13718
(DIR) Post #B2OZysZZcgGDQmdB8S by moira@mastodon.murkworks.net
2026-01-17T23:11:31Z
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@futurebird @Photo55 i mean this is all i got and it's not good
(DIR) Post #B2OaZqMinBqXIeFHJQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-18T02:40:05Z
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@Ambulocetus @moira @Photo55 That is the video that started my confusion. (I added it to fediTV, the shared youTube playlist that I've been trying to get people to add things they watch to)https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTh3hv32NLhrPBgOXrUgwp6BQaC94lt9n&jct=i6avAX7eSiYDbH9wSPtOQA
(DIR) Post #B2QGr10Et1ZQRlYmRs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-18T22:08:26Z
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@semitones @datarama @Photo55 If bears don’t hibernate then what even is the point of the word? They are kind of the icons of the whole thing.
(DIR) Post #B2QHC7TtzkUMcXUwHQ by semitones@tiny.tilde.website
2026-01-18T22:12:13Z
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@futurebird @datarama @Photo55 right???