Post B2NpWCsKSp526nnGCG by d5415a313d38461ff93a8c170f941b2cd4a66a5cfdbb093406960f6cb317849f@mostr.pub
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(DIR) Post #B2NpPmeP3NSL2MDWEa by eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T14:54:26.000Z
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Canada lowered tariffs on Chinese EVs to similar levels of a few years ago (up to a limited number, and still 6% tariffs rather than zero).US politicians are angry about about it, despite the fact that the US literally had/has a free trade agreement with Canada involving cars and many other products.In the US, we keep dunking on our neighbors to the north about how lefty they are, since indeed they’re a lot more lefty than us, when ironically this decision by Canada is historically a conservative position: freer competition and lower taxes, and yet that’s the one we’re most angry about.It's an example of how quickly perceptions can shift, the Overton window can shift, political parties ran rotate policies, etc. Everything becomes about optics and tribes.A few years ago if someone said, "So Canada used to put 100% punitive tariffs on Chinese EVs, and now they're going to lower those a lot so that Canadians can buy more affordable EVs if they wish, and China will do the same for some Canadian stuff," most people would be like, "well, good."
(DIR) Post #B2NpWCsKSp526nnGCG by d5415a313d38461ff93a8c170f941b2cd4a66a5cfdbb093406960f6cb317849f@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:05:08.000Z
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Left is going more free market in a global kumbaya push, and the right is pushing more toward tariff power and influence under Trump. Question is if that Trump tariff donroe doctrine sticks or if it just vanishes and the right pretends it was never their thing once we get to 2028.
(DIR) Post #B2NpnrChmBPm6njyqG by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T17:56:04.112200Z
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@eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f Canada is ruled by right-wingers (carney's liberal government)You are up against a right-wing canadian government.> US politicians are angry about about it, despite the fact that the US literally had/has a free trade agreement with Canada involving cars and many other products.Then they should talk to trump and get our tariffs removed. We were perfectly happy to trade with the US up until the US unilaterally threw the table over last year and started a trade war with us and the entire rest of the world, including islands inhabited only by penguins, on the advice of ChatGPT or grok.> It's an example of how quickly perceptions can shift, the Overton window can shift, political parties ran rotate policies, etc. Everything becomes about optics and tribes.Uh making sure that canadians have a nation to trade with isn't just about 'optics and bribes'. It's about making sure our economy continues operating no matter what the americans chatGPT-reading orange orangutan does next. > A few years ago if someone said, "So Canada used to put 100% punitive tariffs on Chinese EVs, and now they're going to lower those a lot so that Canadians can buy more affordable EVs if they wish, and China will do the same for some Canadian stuff," most people would be like, "well, good."It is good that canada is dropping our tariffs. Those tariffs harm our economy.
(DIR) Post #B2NpwtjLkgGmYDJxTM by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T17:57:42.240989Z
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@d5415a313d38461ff93a8c170f941b2cd4a66a5cfdbb093406960f6cb317849f @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f Hopefully the GOP is never allowed to live this administration down. The democrats should be bringing the fact that the US started a trade war with canada, threatened to invade greenland and tried to end democracy in the US to the GOP for the next century, making sure that everyone understands how badly they fucked up the time they were in power
(DIR) Post #B2Nq9GpvfaGpgjIXiK by 55f573b651eff351db57b0601d23022d8c532f9825db10a5733ebf39be4aa21b@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:11:28.000Z
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Team politics, like team religion. The people who think they are this or that have never thought about it. They chose their team because it was socially advantageous. Most people I know think they're conservative, but they flipped to pro protectionism without thinking. Similarly, with the ICE murders, they basically believe, "obey or die," despite this being the opposite of what they said their whole lives.
(DIR) Post #B2NqTp0cKLoBSo64FU by 0d3730a793245901d5aa9c70ef01074ea74e89293930185c3c40d4231dee628c@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:31:42.000Z
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If they use nuclear for their electric grid then EVs will benefit them, but short of that EVs are prohibitively expensive and less efficient. Idk how Canadians will drive them in winter either. Low tariffs are preferable, but this is like lowering the tariff for snowmobiles in Arizona. Not many can afford them, and they won’t get much use
(DIR) Post #B2NqTpWsOPc34rBpWy by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:03:37.725090Z
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@0d3730a793245901d5aa9c70ef01074ea74e89293930185c3c40d4231dee628c @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f > @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f > If they use nuclear for their electric grid then EVs will benefit them, but short of that EVs are prohibitively expensive and less efficient>, and they won’t get much useFUD.First of all EVs are GREAT in the winter. Instant heat and driving without having to let your car idle for half an hour before driving. Even if they were more expensive, more inefficient, and generally didn't work as well as ICE vehicles ...the fact that they are so good in winter is enough for people to switch to them here. Every single person I know who drives one is blown away by how good they are in the winter compared to the shittiness every canadian with a car has grown up to put up with. Go talk to @saskboy .>r. Low tariffs are preferable, but this is like lowering the tariff for snowmobiles in Arizona.No, it's not. This is the opportunity the EV industry needed here, given the stiff protectionism surrounding our ICE motor companies & oil companies that unfortunately have a lot of political sway here.> Not many can afford themThat much is true -- which is why this is such a big deal. More competition = this will change.
(DIR) Post #B2NqagVUKu1v7coDs8 by 8d78f3903a1b708c77696e07d2f49065e792b830825679af650313c2d3233370@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:33:05.000Z
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I agree with the take, but just so that people understands, the lowering of tariffs on Chinese EVs is just a political stunt. They're only allowing 49,000 cars to come into the country. Canadians buy 1.9 million new cars per year.
(DIR) Post #B2NqahwT05CjZaRHYu by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:04:51.689280Z
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@8d78f3903a1b708c77696e07d2f49065e792b830825679af650313c2d3233370 @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f It's not just a political stunt. It's enough to get a foot in the door for new competitors to our vehicle industry and force repair shops to have access to their parts and start canada down the road to long-term competition with our can-us car companies
(DIR) Post #B2Nqb28XuskaCqFDAO by deab79dafa1c2be4b4a6d3aca1357b6caa0b744bf46ad529a5ae464288579e68@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:36:41.000Z
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It is just about at third of the EV market though. ~170,000 sold in 2025. Maybe they will fare better in cold weather than the current models.
(DIR) Post #B2Nqlrh9507h0Saokq by 8d78f3903a1b708c77696e07d2f49065e792b830825679af650313c2d3233370@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:40:18.000Z
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I think they'll do well in Quebec, and decent in BC. Outside of those provinces, it'll be a bit harder.
(DIR) Post #B2NqlsWtyZWVayo9QW by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:06:51.415947Z
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@8d78f3903a1b708c77696e07d2f49065e792b830825679af650313c2d3233370 @deab79dafa1c2be4b4a6d3aca1357b6caa0b744bf46ad529a5ae464288579e68 @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f You probably wouldn't have predicted the EV use in norway. https://www.distilled.earth/p/how-norway-became-the-ev-capital It'll be harder mostly due to the cultural change required. And this is the beginning of that.
(DIR) Post #B2Nqm3N1fd9xDXGv3o by deab79dafa1c2be4b4a6d3aca1357b6caa0b744bf46ad529a5ae464288579e68@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:41:45.000Z
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BC is obviously the prime target. Warmer weather, plus a substantial Chinese immigrant population. Makes sense.
(DIR) Post #B2Nqp9LZuE5Ice4TSa by deab79dafa1c2be4b4a6d3aca1357b6caa0b744bf46ad529a5ae464288579e68@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:44:09.000Z
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I know a guy who bought a Cybertruck. Battery sucks in winter, and regenerative braking systems are trash on slippery roads. Your vehicle deciding when to break is no bueno.
(DIR) Post #B2NqpAVtZLvoEvuEBE by 8d78f3903a1b708c77696e07d2f49065e792b830825679af650313c2d3233370@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:48:38.000Z
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My friend as a Tesla SUV, whichever model that is. He really likes it and hasn't had any issues yet, after two years. Another friend has a cybertruck and constantly complains about it
(DIR) Post #B2Nqq5J6PaZCNlMJea by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:07:40.659694Z
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@deab79dafa1c2be4b4a6d3aca1357b6caa0b744bf46ad529a5ae464288579e68 @8d78f3903a1b708c77696e07d2f49065e792b830825679af650313c2d3233370 @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f or could be the cybertruck is just a shit design
(DIR) Post #B2NqqdObfdAi6gCBxA by deab79dafa1c2be4b4a6d3aca1357b6caa0b744bf46ad529a5ae464288579e68@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T15:53:45.000Z
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I think the truck has some teething issues with the design. But that's usually the case with new models of anything. Gotta wait a year or two to get the bugs out. Nobody wants an '82 Camaro 😂
(DIR) Post #B2Nqss7Nu8zGLWCtuK by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:08:10.835259Z
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@deab79dafa1c2be4b4a6d3aca1357b6caa0b744bf46ad529a5ae464288579e68 @8d78f3903a1b708c77696e07d2f49065e792b830825679af650313c2d3233370 @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f or a ford pinto
(DIR) Post #B2Nqxljp3Kls0TWNO4 by fknretardlol@decayable.ink
2026-01-17T18:09:03.405494Z
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until people import their tuned diesel pickups to Norway...lolwtf has gotten into my people?
(DIR) Post #B2Nr51MfLtd8Uy9Elk by 6a325947f67debaccf50274ab8b25892e81a2eafff824df41248a6c238ebbe6a@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T17:06:08.000Z
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This isn’t really about EVs or Canada vs the US. It’s about bad money distorting incentives.In a sound-money world, lowering tariffs and increasing competition is boring policy, cheaper goods, better price discovery, higher productivity. That used to be a conservative position. Under fiat systems, though, trade becomes politicized because governments are managing debt, subsidies, and incumbents instead of markets.So now basic competition feels “radical,” and tariffs get reframed as national security or industrial policy. That’s the Overton window shifting.From a Bitcoin perspective, tariffs, housing speculation, and industrial policy all share the same root cause: inflationary money forces capital into political games instead of productive uses.Bitcoin removes that distortion. With hard, neutral money, trade stops being tribal theater and goes back to voluntary exchange. Lower tariffs wouldn’t be controversial, they’d just make sense.
(DIR) Post #B2Nr7xqksNq8Szcpw8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:10:53.979318Z
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@6a325947f67debaccf50274ab8b25892e81a2eafff824df41248a6c238ebbe6a @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f They still just make sense. Dropping large tariffs are a step towards sensible industrial policy.
(DIR) Post #B2NrBBAToerOdnNtoG by deba271e547767bd6d8eec75eece5615db317a03b07f459134b03e7236005655@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T17:11:34.000Z
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I'm past the Overton window of calling it "Overton window". The name just irritates me at this point.
(DIR) Post #B2NrBCkJwt7jXFA2JU by ee6ea13ab9fe5c4a68eaf9b1a34fe014a66b40117c50ee2a614f4cda959b6e74@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T17:14:22.000Z
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Makes me want to jump out of an Overton window.
(DIR) Post #B2NrBDb8mVNIB3sDdw by deba271e547767bd6d8eec75eece5615db317a03b07f459134b03e7236005655@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T17:35:26.000Z
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Defenestration is a thing fwiw... 😉
(DIR) Post #B2NrBEk2Wu5Tix2q9Y by ee6ea13ab9fe5c4a68eaf9b1a34fe014a66b40117c50ee2a614f4cda959b6e74@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T17:46:18.000Z
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Some of y’all are just Overton window-lickers.
(DIR) Post #B2NrDZN0nup8HWNztI by af92154b4fd002924031386f71333b0afd9741a076f5c738bc2603a5b59d671f@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T17:50:10.000Z
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I think we're only starting to realize how much things will shift in the global order now that the *threat* of US tariffs, which used to be just a threat, now turns into a reality as Trump issues them left and right with little coherent order.As @4b461234 points out, these tariff threats were the only thing keeping anti-circumvention laws in place. Now that the tariffs are here, what incentive does Canada / EU have to (say) maintain US software copyrights?You can extend this line of thinking out to banking surveillance... drug war... etc etc
(DIR) Post #B2NrURDGNyXZuBryuu by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:14:58.179690Z
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@af92154b4fd002924031386f71333b0afd9741a076f5c738bc2603a5b59d671f @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f >what incentive does Canada / EU have to (say) maintain US software copyrights?We still unfortunately have large copyright industries such as our video game industry, film industry, and software industry. As much as I think we should be getting rid of paracopyright law it's going to be even more of an uphill battle the further the US goes insane/we decouple ourselves from them. Similar to how paracopyright laws didn't disappear when the UK brexited -- smaller countries are easier for large politically coherent well oiled influnce groups like the IFPI/RIAA to manipulate -- we have less newsmedia here to report on corruption and so to the extent that the global newsmedia and intellectuals divert their attention from our politicians we can expect *more* paracopyright laws not less.but of course there *is* a corresponding larger opportunity right now because removing paracopyright laws stands to benefit our economy more and more the more we are caught up on US software locks
(DIR) Post #B2NrUj8FlLEDTrfEbg by IsekaidStug@poa.st
2026-01-17T18:12:17.603164Z
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@jeffcliff @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f The US and Canada had a free trade agreement... but Canada began tariffing things first. The trade war of Canadian aggression.
(DIR) Post #B2NrZ6tRMSzsKgpFHU by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2026-01-17T18:15:48.597816Z
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@IsekaidStug @eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f Bullshit. Trump threw the tariffs up last year unilaterally on the whole world, including canada. There was no need for it, and the excuse given was fentanyl not as some kind of countertariffs for any of our remaining tariffs
(DIR) Post #B2NvBEZ1adQUzQ99hw by eab0e756d32b80bcd464f3d844b8040303075a13eabc3599a762c9ac7ab91f4f@mostr.pub
2026-01-17T18:45:06.000Z
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You seem confused about the purpose of my post, acting as though I disagree with you.