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(DIR) Post #B2Er2YfjJK1gVaFdlQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T09:57:27Z
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Can someone explain to me what Trump and the US Government or companies would be able to do if they "had Greenland" that they can't do right now?Like, what are we talking about? It's going to be cold Puerto Rico? I'd say "well they could set up a military base" ... but we have that already?Is this about mineral or drilling rights or something? It's of course offensive nonsense, but I don't even get the point. And no one asks them. What do you get?
(DIR) Post #B2Er93uu3YcR9LRwrg by depereo@mastodon.social
2026-01-13T09:58:36Z
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@futurebird set up weird slave cities for american billionaires
(DIR) Post #B2Er9vltpFVEB3eWKO by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2026-01-13T09:58:42Z
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@futurebird Lots of ICE.
(DIR) Post #B2ErKZQRFSUq3cghVY by CatherineFlick@mastodon.me.uk
2026-01-13T10:00:40Z
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@futurebird apparently there are a lot of unexploited natural resources there
(DIR) Post #B2ErMY7D5fCSZbda76 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:01:06Z
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There is a theory that this move is designed to break up NATO. I thought that was a little far fetched at first, NATO is really good for the US, it's like the birthday boy throwing a tantrum. But some conservative have a deep seated fear of "world government." So maybe that's it? Basically these are the guys who find it galling that there are notions like "international law" or "human rights" however unevenly applied.
(DIR) Post #B2ErOHh37MRgDkEDKa by CatherineFlick@mastodon.me.uk
2026-01-13T10:01:20Z
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@futurebird also port cities that can open up when the arctic ice retreats (yay! Climate change!)
(DIR) Post #B2ErOyHglWi2JXh4Gu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:01:25Z
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@depereo Why can't they just do that now?
(DIR) Post #B2ErQ045d9rK7tp6xc by bweller@mstdn.social
2026-01-13T10:01:34Z
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@futurebird https://theworlddata.com/greenland-rare-earth-minerals/
(DIR) Post #B2ErQpwmjYuh2Io0nI by grahamdunning@post.lurk.org
2026-01-13T10:01:44Z
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@futurebird as I understand it, due to the polar ice caps melting there will be a new viable sea trade route via the North West Passage. But, like you say, I'm not sure why the US need to encroach on Greenland and not just, say, be allied to them.
(DIR) Post #B2ErU4tXcCkWGRpl8y by MamaLake@beige.party
2026-01-13T10:02:23Z
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@futurebird mineral rights to exploit and sea passage to control
(DIR) Post #B2ErUtjiaUC9wkd8Pg by naturepoker@genomic.social
2026-01-13T10:02:24Z
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@futurebird IMO it's not even companies, it's just Trump and his cronies' running a vanity project. From the way they've been pitching Venezuela to oil companies, him and his gang will just hold the whole thing hostage and demand direct payments for access, as in actual tens of percent income to the gov.He just now outright gave an interview saying he wants Greenland because "it's psychologically important for him"https://people.com/donald-trump-wants-ownership-greenland-psychologically-important-11883940
(DIR) Post #B2ErVkPKl0NhIsV6Uy by transcendentempress@eldritch.cafe
2026-01-13T10:02:36Z
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@futurebird It's big on the world map, and somebody told him there might eventually be unexploited ressources under it, plus that he could get his money share for making it possible, so he wants it?
(DIR) Post #B2ErZB6vvpDuzUWutE by Oyvindbs@nerdculture.de
2026-01-13T10:03:14Z
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Probably extraction of minerals in a very harmful manner for the environment. Denmark and the EU does not give extractive industries free reign. @futurebird
(DIR) Post #B2ErcYt1zSshbBdmNM by BubblegumYeti@mastodon.social
2026-01-13T10:03:55Z
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@futurebird https://podcasts.apple.com/be/podcast/the-world-the-universe-and-us/id1496847791Basically nothing ; he has no clue. Only reason could be to secure Northern land with the incoming global warming apocalypse.
(DIR) Post #B2ErdkGHBTqnAQ4sF6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:04:08Z
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@naturepoker I have a friend who used to work in commodities and he says the oil companies are not interested in Venezuela now. They were wary because of the government, but now they are MORE wary because it's less stable.
(DIR) Post #B2Erh8hqkugXqkarNQ by EugestShirley@m.ai6yr.org
2026-01-13T10:04:45Z
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@futurebird Putin wants NATO gone. He's Donnie's puppeteer.
(DIR) Post #B2Ermo04eYoxMuos0u by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:05:46Z
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@EugestShirley Everyone wants to be a little big man instead of actually doing amazing big things. The lack of imagination depresses me.
(DIR) Post #B2ErnfCIrp5wMBwsvw by Psychonaut@mastodon.online
2026-01-13T10:05:48Z
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@futurebird imho it's about having somewhere to live in a couple of decades when the majority of the continental US is uninhabitable due to climate change. Ditto the aspirations about Canada becoming the 51st state.
(DIR) Post #B2EruHxHgCI2Id5C5I by nicksalt@mas.to
2026-01-13T10:07:09Z
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@futurebird I am sure it is the reason. These are the same type of people who orchestrated Brexit in the UK and sold it to the same type of "flag waving citizens" for support.
(DIR) Post #B2ErypFlot2gjKtQPY by naturepoker@genomic.social
2026-01-13T10:07:57Z
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@futurebird sounds about right. Impression I'm getting here and there is no one really asked for any of this outside the pres himself and his cronies looking to play modern day Alexander.
(DIR) Post #B2Es8W9rfcQEP3kh96 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:09:40Z
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@pthane Do they think that far into the future?They won't be alive then.
(DIR) Post #B2EsCIDrQMeoLDQBrU by DebbieDoomer@ni.hil.ist
2026-01-13T10:10:23Z
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@futurebirdThe us wants to be able to be a free agent and so donald trump is cashing out all the us based international structure possible. I mean, its about a lot of stuff but also, Sometimes i think these idiots literally think like a big map game and want to get the continent bonus or some shit
(DIR) Post #B2EsQJe8vX1coNOwyW by EvilCartyen@mstdn.dk
2026-01-13T10:12:56Z
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@futurebird In Denmark we feel the US is trying to kick in an open door, the only thing I can think of RE mineral rights is that we probably have stricter environmental protection laws then the US.But overall it's no economical to mine in Greenland, the Greenland government has been desperate for investments for decades and yet there are no major mining operations in place.I think it's just because it would Look Cool to have a new territory added to the US.That said, the Greenlanders should decide who to associate with. They might dislike Denmark - and for mostly good reasons - but I doubt they're gonna look at their kin in Alaska and think "they look like they're having a great time!".
(DIR) Post #B2EsWIGuwztAHmO8mW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:14:02Z
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@EvilCartyen "That said, the Greenlanders should decide who to associate with."Absolutely.
(DIR) Post #B2EsXX978OOmhsKUoC by drmambobob@ecoevo.social
2026-01-13T10:14:07Z
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@futurebird @pthane Maybe they don't have a good sense of timescale so they think the ice would melt in a couple of years?
(DIR) Post #B2EsjIUFSjSmiWpASe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:16:23Z
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@drmambobob @pthane I think it's important to remember that you can know something is a bad idea even if you can't make sense of the motivations of the people trying to do it. Because it's possible their motivations make no sense. No one can explain this to me sufficiently. It's a bad idea. It's bad that it even is "an idea" it's not worth thinking about.
(DIR) Post #B2Et02iJMNTQijO3UW by gbsills@social.vivaldi.net
2026-01-13T10:19:22Z
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@futurebird These are all good theories but I believe this is nothing more than Trump wanting to leave his mark. People supporting him in this affair are all just sucking up.
(DIR) Post #B2EtKb7BAQM1Cmou80 by Photo55@mastodon.social
2026-01-13T10:23:03Z
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@futurebird Anyone in US government who is a Russian agent would feel very successful if they disrupted NATO.
(DIR) Post #B2EtS0cEkmvYK1sglM by weddige@gruene.social
2026-01-13T10:24:24Z
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@futurebird I guess it's a bit of everything. Little Donni wants to be known as Donald the conqueror. Greenland has resources. Military presence even after the US breaks up with NATO. And also the end of NATO.
(DIR) Post #B2EtZmUn8TMqqW6Y4m by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:25:50Z
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@dgold I guess it's easy to forget that many people do not believe that "the people who live in a place should govern and control that place together"Greenland should be governed and controlled by Greenlanders. They understand it best, they are impacted the most. Of course by having a big army or a lot of money and a government you control someone could contraindicate this principle. But I thought it was a "value" more people shared?
(DIR) Post #B2EtrlRTn6EQn889DM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-01-13T10:29:07Z
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@dgold The alternative to this value is that we are all ruled by warlords. Whoever has the most guns and thugs and shows up first gets to be in charge. Obviously this is how it often works even as people try to entertain such fanciful notions as every human having a right to exist and have influence over the government of the place where they live. Depressing to see people going along with dismantling it as if they have an army ... when they don't.
(DIR) Post #B2EtwtbkrHOvZ5NqNc by mmby@mastodon.social
2026-01-13T10:30:00Z
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@futurebird breaking up NATO makes sense when you think that the EU will never be able to defend itself on its own - or if you think that European NATO countries get an unfair economic advantage by not spending so muchon their military (but get social security for that)then you can put even more diplomatic pressure on them, to get security guarantees - but we know that's not how it works - IMO people at the helm have started to believe their own propaganda
(DIR) Post #B2Eu9GbFCXjMLc2lZQ by juergen_hubert@mementomori.social
2026-01-13T10:32:14Z
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@futurebird Show on maps how they have made the USA "bigger".
(DIR) Post #B2EurpcsKrlHin3aDI by notsoloud@expressional.social
2026-01-13T10:40:19Z
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@futurebirdBecause they don't write the laws.@depereo
(DIR) Post #B2Ev3bsjGKCEZM5YH2 by notsoloud@expressional.social
2026-01-13T10:42:26Z
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@futurebirdTrump just told the New York Times that he has a "psychological need" to control it.Why? Dunno, maybe because it looks big on the map? Occam's kazoo applies: Trump acts for the stupidest of reasons....
(DIR) Post #B2Ev7TwwhAAn7vuJAO by drmambobob@ecoevo.social
2026-01-13T10:43:07Z
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@futurebird @pthane Oh, yeah - I agree. It doesn't matter if they even have a motivation. It's a bad thing. End of. It's not worth trying to understand.
(DIR) Post #B2Evs1BvR5N7Xq6VYO by jadp@mastodon.social
2026-01-13T10:51:23Z
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@futurebird two things come to mind that I didn’t see in the comments, but maybe I missed them. 1) Spheres of Influence and 2) Every atrocity is a distraction from every other atrocity to overwhelm us, and perhaps to distract us from a complete takeover
(DIR) Post #B2Ew9ohcbj6q1YPtaq by vikxin@beach.city
2026-01-13T10:54:45Z
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@futurebird he's a real estate developer. With the receding ice caps, he sees an opportunity to develop real estate
(DIR) Post #B2EwNKqSPi6NTczmi0 by vikxin@beach.city
2026-01-13T10:57:13Z
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@futurebird I'm pretty sure he's on-record about wanting to leave NATO. Presumably due to Putin whispering in his ear, and before that the Soviets. He's been a Russian asset since the 80s.
(DIR) Post #B2EwrdWvVXwq7BJDdY by darkling@mstdn.social
2026-01-13T11:02:41Z
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@futurebird I think you're seeking rationality where there is absolutely none.
(DIR) Post #B2EwsXtXwdJevYK4fY by DebbieDoomer@ni.hil.ist
2026-01-13T11:02:48Z
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@futurebirdAlso, to be clear. Military projection and strip mining for rare earth metals are a part of it
(DIR) Post #B2EyyVn6sa5e33HiMq by SteveClough@metalhead.club
2026-01-13T11:26:18Z
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@futurebird I believe it is about oil and minerals, that would suddenly become "his". So he could transfer them to the US without having to pay for them.It is the typical bully scenario. "Give me your sweets". "No". Takes them "They are mine now. If you want them back you will have to pay me".Of course, should he try, he would be met with force, and dead US soldiers. Which he would then blame NATO for, not his own stupidity.
(DIR) Post #B2EzwCXpZ9wBjPbGsa by thecasualcritic@writing.exchange
2026-01-13T11:37:06Z
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@futurebird I think a possible benign answer is they pressure NATO countries into footing more of the bill for Arctic defence. We're already seeing the Danes investing in more vessels as a result of this pressure.But that's assuming the aim is something rational.
(DIR) Post #B2F24l1PSsacswdvvc by MostlyTato@mstdn.social
2026-01-13T12:01:03Z
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@futurebird Its seems to be about big tech charter cities.https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/10/greenland-trump-silicon-valley-tech-utopia-mars/83025685007/
(DIR) Post #B2F2Aawzp29ZO5MWJ6 by roberte3@mastodon.social
2026-01-13T12:02:07Z
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@futurebird I think its a combination of a) mineral rights and b) the northern sea lanes opening up and new resources there. a) is kinda bunk since no one is mining there. b) if you squint sideways maybe. But we don't have new ice breakers (and that project has gone sideways recently).
(DIR) Post #B2F32qnP7rJKAUkMOe by happysteve@mas.to
2026-01-13T12:11:57Z
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@futurebirdMy theory is that Trump is a toddler who wants to colour in more countries with his "owned by me" colour of crayon. He's probably only seen the Mercator projection of the world map. See also: Canada
(DIR) Post #B2F3Z60I7QOEbL9NVw by Geri@mastodon.online
2026-01-13T12:17:46Z
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@futurebird Kuannersuit, in southern Greenland, contains the second-largest uranium deposit, possibly the largest thorium deposit, and the third-largest rare earth's deposits in the world. All of this will be required for AI data centres. To control knowledge that will lead to a white planetThat's what it is all about.
(DIR) Post #B2F63hp4GzFIUTcltI by eliterrell@mastodon.social
2026-01-13T12:45:40Z
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@futurebird I think it boils down to him wanting his face on Mount Rushmore. Taking Greenland has no practical benefit. He might be able to enrich some of his people but not worth the cost. He was raised on a pathetically simple story about American history that lionized national expansion. He thinks if he can push the borders out he will finally be universally recognized as a Great Man. Same with Putin, who wants to be Peter the Great.
(DIR) Post #B2F77jll4rBJdlYw7c by graydon@canada.masto.host
2026-01-13T12:57:37Z
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@futurebird The petrofaction ("keep extracting fossil carbon no matter what") sees the Arctic Ocean as the Next Big Thing, it's practically an interior sea like the Med if it wasn't frozen over and there's decades of Russian "and soon it will not be frozen over and it is ours" positioning.Thing is, the Bering Strait is epicratonic (=shallow, over continental crust), it's not really suitable for major trade. The only really deep water access is Fram Strait.
(DIR) Post #B2F7A2MstlFju21ahk by capnthommo@c.im
2026-01-13T12:58:05Z
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@futurebird yes. Someone was explaining some of the problems that extraction would have. Climate etc plus that applies to shipping windows in the extremely short season.
(DIR) Post #B2F8nl0cxRxTbP7N8y by ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world
2026-01-13T13:16:25Z
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@futurebird If they negotiate mining rights and access with officials in Greenland and Denmark, American companies get to profit from the rare Earth minerals without using military force. But if they *also* annex Greenland and take ownership, they can turn the world's largest island into a slave colony. Which might sound hyperbolic, but Silicon Valley is already backing proposals to establish new, low-regulation "freedom cities" in Greenland. That's the plan.
(DIR) Post #B2F9lGdV0rzWmEg0OW by silvermoon82@wandering.shop
2026-01-13T13:27:11Z
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@futurebird Natural resources, Greenland has some oil and lots of uranium and rare earths. Strategic value, it would give the regime a military foothold in the north oceans.Willy-waving, he'd be The Big Man who conquered the Vikings.Real estate, he likes the idea of owning land. And finally, he's butthurt that he had a whim ("I want Greenland!") but people didn't fall all.over themselves to make it happen for him. He wants to.punish the nonbelievers.
(DIR) Post #B2FA1HaJFoSmLtoymm by statsguy@mas.to
2026-01-13T13:30:06Z
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@futurebird The point is that it's so obviously outrageous it helps keep the #EpsteinFiles out of the news
(DIR) Post #B2FPRpeSiON8qnshzk by blondino@c.im
2026-01-13T16:22:56Z
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@futurebird I think a lot of it has to do that Mercator projection makes Greenland look big on the map. The Don would like to add some new territory to be known as somebody who increased the USA landmass. As far as NATO goes he doesn’t really care. If they bought some of his crypto coins he would be happy to keep it. The fact that Putin doesn’t like NATO is of course a strike against it. The military base argument is bogus. The US has closed all but one bases that were previously there. As part of NATO I don’t see how it would be a problem to reopen them if needed. Minerals. The US already has some mineral rights, and could possibly buy more. But, the minerals are under a thick sheet of ice, and nobody has so far found a way of profitably extract it. On top of that, rare earth minerals are not rare. They are just difficult and time consuming to extract. China has mastered the extraction process which is why they are the world leader. If the issue was really getting access to minerals in a shorter timespan than waiting for Greenland’s ice to melt, the better option would be to go in an throw Russia out of Ukraine, since The Don already persuaded Ukraine into signing an agreement to let US mine for minerals there. The only logic behind anything is the raccoons running around in Donny’s head. He wants to be remembered forever, and he will. Just not for the reasons he thinks.
(DIR) Post #B2GfQtzksDrySNNaFM by pumiquxt@sfba.social
2026-01-14T06:56:47Z
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@futurebird tescreal bunker
(DIR) Post #B2GuJRryXlhIVpe1C4 by Tuuktuuk@piipitin.fi
2026-01-14T09:43:29Z
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@futurebird I'd say the idea and demand comes from Putim. Trump is not aware of USA's extensive abilities to use bases in Greenland.Putin recommended to "his pal" Trump that this should be done. He presented it as a _price,_ for ending weapons supplies to Ukraine, and Trump thinks USA is getting Greenland from Russian SOI as a _compensation_ that is a part of a *deal*.That's all there is to it. Further background does not exist. All other reasoning is retroactive.